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Thats my point. Live blade, glowing glyphs in the colour association with their order, dead blade looks like metal (magnificent awe inspiring metal). Plate in visions on Radiants has glowing glyphs and distinct colours per order, all know shardplate just looks slate grey when not painted. Radiants could always dismiss their blades and seemingly portions of armour. Post recreance blade and plate could no longer be dismissed, by a lucky accident people managed to learn to sort of bond blades.

Pattern is described as having garnet glyphs when shallan offers him to Kaladin in the Chasms.

Good work, I was doing this informally Tuesday afternoon. I agree with BlackYeti, when you look at the silverkingdoms map it all makes sense when you consider that all the islands in the north are part of Rishir. The thing that really interests me is about that map. Do we know how accurate it is? We know the Reshi islands move, during the shadow days was Kurth actually much closer to the rest of Rishir (modern Herdaz)? Maybe this Silver Kingdoms map is a modern projection of information that Ardents have found about the silver kingdoms onto a current map of Roshar. For instance maybe they have found records or other writing that says that Iri and Rira made up the silver kingdom Iri, but something else that said that all islands that were in the Reshi sea were part of Rishir so they knew to colour Kurth's island to go with Rishir instead of Iri with the rest of Rira

this is going to be Shardplate!

yay! https://www.tor.com/2017/09/19/oathbringer-by-brandon-sanderson-chapters-10-12/

Who do you think POV will be for chapter 10-12? Guesses and wishes accepted =) I think it will be: 10. Dalinar with everyone around 11. Shallan or Adolin trying to figure out whats up with Adolin 12. Dalinar Flashback I hope it will be: Adolin Jasnah Kaladin or someone in Kholinar (but we'll probable have to wait until an interlude to find out whats going on in Kholinar)

You are right, but I feel like it doesn't fit. Dalinar doesn't even know any of these groups exist yet. From his POV there is no need for a covert intelligence network. Sure they need info on the voidbringers and what "the enemy" is upto but he should view this more as scouting and recon than infiltration. At least thats how I believe Dalinar would look at the current situation. Jasnah doesn't need to show anyone anything, she's Jasnah, people will just cave to her force of will and gravitas, as she tried to teach Shallan how to do before the Winds' Pleasure was sunk.

3 take aways: Jasnah is the author of Oathbringer the confused dishwasher Navani wants to perform the wedding, must be a world hopper =) Kaladin still calls Moash his friend, so there is hope for them to get on the same side again.

I personally hate that Radiants have to be broken. Why can't a normal good guy become a radiant. Why can't some Vizier of Azir who's just politely going about his bureaucratic duties near the forefront of events be a truthwatcher? Or Hamm a thug with the heart of a philosopher, if he was born on Roshar why couldn't he become a stoneward? It's the way it is so I got to live with it. Regarding the OP, what Maxal said

Kaladin begins surgebinding on purpose when he climbs his own rock ladder to tie the sack of armour to the bottom of the bridge (chapter 59 WoK). He says the second ideal while flying across the chasm in chapter 67. Incidentally he actually says the first ideal on screen in chapter 59 just before trying to climb the chasm, but I agree with you that he was living by it before that as Syl doesn't make a big deal about it when he says it there like she does about the second and third. Dalinar may be following the codes but he's not living by the first Ideal at this time. Leading a chasmfiend run is not choosing life before death. He could be surgebinding, we just dont know. I feel it is unlikely though.

Thanks Yata. So it seems like the stormlight as the vessel of investiture on Roshar glows because it is a direct connection to the Spiritual Realm. This explains why people glow in the Cognitive, the soul or whatever connection to the Spiritual that everyone has can more clearly be seen through the thought of ones body than their actual flesh in the physical. Also explains why metals glow in the cognitive on Scadrial as metals are the vessels for investiture there, but i guess physical metal on Scadrial is too dense to see the investiture glow. To loop this back to OP: If the difference is that Radiants didn't use gem stones to power their plate this could explain why their plate glowed. Radiant's plate were directly powered and therefore directly invested and the glow could be seen, modern plate powered by the gems have the gems hidden and cant be seen.

Just to summarize and give my thoughts, there are 3 events where Dalinar's plate is described to do something seemingly extraordinary, even for shardplate. The OP contends that these examples show that Dalinar's plate once belonged to a Windrunner. The 3 quotes were: 1. "As the sky spun, something seemed to right, as if the plate itself knew which way was up" this may be inherent to all shard plate, like how Adolin's plate covers the void bringer lightning so he isn't blinded by it, but I personally feel it is not the case. When Adolin is knocked from Sureblood the world spins and there is no mention of the plate righting itself. He does get back to his feet very quickly, but there is no indication the plate helped him achieve this. In fact he uses the sight of Sureblood to help orient himself. Therefore I believe it is a sign of the surge of gravitation at work in Dalinar's plate but not Adolin's. 2. "[Dalinar's shardplate sabatons] encased his boots entirely and had a rough surface on the bottoms that seemed to cling to the rock." The question here is whether this is just something all plate can do, just the plate of a Radiant that had the surge of adhesion or did Dalinar surgbind? I believe we can rule out Dalinar as the cause. While we know intention is very important and we see Kaladin accidentally use gravitation to avoid landing in a puddle, and it can be argued that Dalinar wanted to stop sliding so badly that he unconsciously surgebound, we just have no evidence that this is possible so early in his progression to becoming a KR. We know the use of stormlight is possible before attracting a spren and even before the first ideal, but Kaladin doesn't begin surgebinding until he's accepted the first ideal. Also Kaladin needed to be barefoot to use adhesion with his feet, Dalinar had shoes/boots on under his plate. I'm about 60% this is special property of Dalinar's plate, 40% this is just standard shardplate awesomeness. 3. "Dalinar charged toward the king, moving with a speed and grace no man—not even one wearing Shardplate—should be able to manage." I'm not even going to recap the theories on this one. I feel this is clearly Dalinar unintentionally using stormlight to run faster and be more coordinated and agile which is described as graceful in the quote. We know he was doing it at points in the past, it's silly to assume that he was using stormlight but in this instance that so directly lines up with the benefits of stormlight something else was at play. TL:DR - Dalinar's plate uses gravitation to right itself, Adolin's doesn't. Dalinar is not surgebinding to make his sabatons cling to rock, 60/40 specific to his plate vs. all plate. Dalinar uses stormlight to run faster and more gracefully to Elhokar's aid.

Are you quoting a WoB here or coining a phrase?

I agree, excellent catch, prob windrunner plate.

Kaladin has said 3 ideals, and I'm pretty sure we have WoB that Shallan is one ideal ahead of him at the end of WoR. So it would be her 4th truth we should be discussing =)

Man am I jealous, I'm originally from Toronto but cant make it home for this event. I pretty disappointed in myself. If anyone is looking for a question to ask, I posted a theory about a month ago regarding the radiant Dalinar seen in his vision at the Purelake. I'm looking for some confirmation of that, a quick yes or no "Is the radiant from Dalinar's vision in the Purelake a Dustbringer?"

Look into this quickly with some quick googling for thin sheet steel, came up with 2 options for the entire Mistborn Final Empire: Option 1 - cost $1680, 42 lbs, 4.2 inches thick (6" x 12" x 0.012" pages, if we could find this in larger page format could really get the thickness down) Option 2 - cost $840, 84 lbs, 2.1 inches thick (12" x 24" x 0.024" pages) These are just the costs of the steel, would have to factor in the cost of the engraving but I dont think that would be too much if we found a good Laser CNC provider. Also the steel merchant has a 25% off online coupon code running right now and free shipping on orders over $200. Also I haven't really thought of a good way to bind steel sheets into a book, but there has to be a way, maybe some kind of spiral binding. This is actually a new WoB he's hinting to us that there's a 17th metal (really 21st if you count the god metals+alloys) that we need a new Allomantic quadrant for: Trolling. I think this was External Troll Pushing, as the troll was unsolicited, if he personally trolled in response to question, and let your own imagination run wild that would be Internal Troll Pulling. Who's got theories as to what metal provides his skills in this art???

I recently put out a theory that the Purelake radiant from Dalinar's vision was a Releaser/Dustbringer if someone has a spare question and could get confirmation that would be great! It would tell us something about identifying radiants by Plate colour, but it's not as interesting as most of the questions already posted.

At the very start of Chapter 72 of WoR, right after Shallan summons Pattern and offers him to Kaladin to fight the Chasmfiend, Pattern is described as "glowing softly the colour of garnet". Garnet lines up with Lightweavers, now I'm sure this is right. I'm not going to be in Germany or Bulgaria to ask in person, does anyone know how I can try to get this confirmed by the Man himself?

I'm cheering for this theory, but i also don't think it'll be true. I agree with 1empyrean reviving will be up to the shard bearer. Also i think the Nahel bond works this way too, its between the radiant and their spren, Ivory (and maybe Glyss) doesn't even like being mentioned to others let alone have another involved in their bond. It's hard to ignore their name though, Bondsmiths, it screams that they can influence the Nahel bond in some way, maybe too obvious though.

I'm really hoping he can awaken his blade and become an edgedancer, but that's a topic for another thread. We know he got his plate from his mom's side of the family and he won his blade in a duel, basically a 10% chance they are a matching set. I'm feeling more confident that it's a Releaser in the Purelake.

Great Questions, I got nothing. I think we'll find out a lot more in the coming books as we get closer looks into Listener culture and history.

I'm sure most trained radiants would have their ways (I cant think of what a truthwatcher would do.....), was just saying that the surge of division seems particularly suited to the task. That being said we dont really know how it works or how much stormlight it requires so maybe not. My main points are the bit about running through the water and my personal belief that we will be able to identify radiants by the colour of their shardplate and how the gemstones line up in the Ars Arcanums.

I thought parshmen were just Slave form of the Listeners? Very similar to but even more docile than dull form because they are not bonded to any spren at all. I believe there was something about the forms of power gave their gods control over the listeners, that's why their ancestors abandoned all forms of power and made the songs of listing. If the Parshmen are to be saved Rlain will have to be a big part of it. Right now the human's dont know anything about how the Listeners transform, he will need to explain that they take on spren in a highstorm and the parshmen can be saved if they are given a chance to get their minds back. I think the Everstorm will transform Parshmen because they have no bond at all, but a bonded Listener will be able to resist.

Agreed and I believe that is what Dalinar thinks at that time, but there is something about the wording "it had no purchase on her" that makes me think it's more. It also reminds me of something from the beginning of Edgedancer. (not much of a spoiler but better safe)