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The comment that lightbulbs are common on multiple planets I think puts it significantly post SA arc 2, since Mistborn era 2 is in the gap between the two SA arcs and electricity is new on Scadrial then, and Scadrial seems to be the most advanced planet (except maybe Taldain).

"Fay" is - I think - the older word, and "fey" for fairy is arguably a misunderstanding/conflation. ("Fey" was originally a separate word, meaning something like 'doom-laden', 'fated', etc.)

Given that wording, and Fuzz/Leras/Preservation talking as if Preservation would be Splintered by Ruin shortly after his death, I figured killing the Vessel was (at least usually) a pre-requisite for Splintering the Shard. However, every "on-screen" Vessel death (Leras/Preservation, Ati/Ruin, Vin/Preservation, and Rayse/Odium) has had someone else take up the Shard immediately. There's a WoB that says Splintering is a possible 'natural' outcome of a Shard without a Vessel So I don't think there is anything particularly special about Splintering. I think Odium probably did do some "Intent exploiting" stuff as part of the process of Splintering Honor, and likely Dominion/Devotion as well, but perhaps more to weaken those Shards so he could defeat them (without personal loss - apparently Odium was harmed in his fight with Ambition???)

Lutha could just as easily have been an early-post-Ascension relationship. Although I'm realizing how little we really know about TLR's motivations early on - mostly just that he wanted to hide the truth about the Well, was worried about Feruchemy, and wanted to 'get vengeance' on nations like Khlennium. I actually wonder about the 'posing as Alendi'/secrecy of his identity thing. Surely there were some people who had seen Alendi and later saw TLR and realized they weren't the same person. Sure, all Alendi's Feruchemist advisors were mistwraiths now, but Alendi was a king of multiple nations and a conqueror - he must have had subordinate rulers and generals/officers (maybe TLR killed them all eventually, but trying to kill off everyone who had seen Alendi would be really suspicious in itself). I'm sure TLR never came out and said "oh yeah I killed Alendi", but the fact that he wasn't Alendi might not have been all that secret in the first generation, to the point that he'd be worried about his wife or lover knowing the secret. Maybe he told those in his government who knew Alendi that Alendi had been killed & he had to finish the task?

That's a good idea, and I think Odium does do something like this - though given all the "hearts" emphasis in Stormlight it might be related to the actions of people the Shard has Invested in. But I don't think that's the only way to do it, though Odium may need something like that to defeat pairs of Shards like Dominion/Devotion and Honor/Cultivation. In Mistborn: Secret History, Fuzz/Leras/Preservation says that the power would be Splintered by Ruin after he dies, at which point there would be no Vessel to act against its Intent. I'm thinking that the Shard might be vulnerable to being Splintered (at least by another Shard) once it's not held. Hmm, I wonder what defines a Shard as Splintered? Shards can create Splinters of themselves voluntarily (Endowment's Divine Breath, and Honor created honorspren before his death). If Endowment took say 50% of her Investiture to make a ridiculous number of Divine Breaths, but Edgli the Vessel didn't die, would Endowment count as Splintered? What if it was 95%? I think there's a WoB saying that the killing of the Shard's mind (Vessel?) is part of what makes it Splintered. Do Dominion and Devotion count as Splintered? They have Splinters (seons and skaze) but it seems like most of their power is merged as the Dor.

Definitely, IIRC Vasher/Zahel was already established in WoK Prime. In fact I think Mistborn book one at least had already been written, since there's a comment in the annotations or a WoB about the color-based magic system being inspired by a comment from his editor about wanting "more color" after Elantris and Mistborn. EDIT: However, 'protagonist hails from an early novel' may not be as limiting as all that, since the character could have been moved to a different world/story from their original non-canon version (the way Bridge Four was originally in Dragonsteel).

Huh. "Died nine hundred years ago" does imply that TLRs children were very early in his rule. Which makes way more sense... especially if we assume that TLR mistwraith-ified the Feruchemists to hide the information about Alendi and the Well. I don't think we actually know that TLR started worrying about Feruchemy/Allomancy genes mixing that early. I think it was even later than that, but we don't know how much later. The Terris stewardship program was like sixth century, so theoretically it could have been even that late. Though I doubt it. IMO it was probably around the time the Keepers were founded, second or third century? It might have been Ruin's influence anyway, as I don't think natural Fullborn would be a real issue as the Feruchemy and Allomancy genes interfere. Though maybe double gold Twinborn being around would have made TLR seem less divine. Otoh I don't think TLR was super rational about this stuff... any Inquisitor who was a former Mistborn and got a f Gold spike could have learned Gold Compounding. Hmmm...Did TLR immediately know of, and decide to pursue, the atium Compounding immortality trick? I can see a possibility where TLR at like age 25 decided to get married and found a dynasty like a regular king, then when he started to age was like "hey wait I can stay young forever".

Well, that says "new planet or new system" then "three of them". That would rule out Ashyn, but doesn't necessarily mean 3 new stars - could be a new planet around a star already on the star chart.

Yeah, exactly. Plants, for example, are green because the chlorophyll absorbs red and blue and reflects green - so what we see is the green light. But it's not a true monochromatic green like a green laser (and in fact, it's not *purely* green wavelengths, just predominantly). And it gets even worse ... our eyes have 3 cone types, but just as colors that look radically different to people with 3 functioning cone types can look identical to someone with red-green colorblindness (2 functioning cone types) there can be colors that are indistinguishable to human eyes but actually made up of very different wavelengths. So I am not sure what Perfect Color Recognition actually means. If it's a true perfect pitch analogy (applying to "pure" monochromatic light), it wouldn't do much of anything -- certainly not for natural reflected colors like lips. But if it's a total recognition of all wavelengths (so blue+yellow=green would look completely different from a pure green) then art, clothing, etc. for regular humans would often be utterly bizarre to the Returned, and we don't see that. They see the same colors in more detail, not totally alien colors.

Often there's a surge at the end of a Kickstarter, too.

The Warbreaker color recognition, color harmonics, etc. are kind of odd in several ways, not just the limited wavelength range of visible light, but also regular objects like lips seen by reflected light aren't going to be a single wavelength the way a laser or LED is. The perfect pitch analogy suggests that Perfect Color Recognition means being able to recognize light wavelengths exactly... but reflected light is going to be a mix of wavelengths, and things are still described as a single specific color.

He doesn't, very well. Which is part of what makes Nightblood so dangerous. (Besides being a supercharged Shardblade able to eat Investiture from anything...) Nightblood tries to 'test' people by their desire to misuse him, and gets guidance from his wielder, but still doesn't really know.

Yeah, it's unknown how the 'anti-magical' bits would work with Scadrian magic.

Well, this would be really dependent on the timeline. TLR didn't have chromium, I don't think, but that's pre-Radiants so... An Era 2+ Fullborn would have Chromium, but post book 5 (contemporary with Era 2) Radiants might be able to use something like the Fused's Stormlight-draining weapon... would that stop gold healing? More and more, I'm thinking this question isn't really answerable yet, except maybe for Bondsmiths (I do think the "heal the floor instead" Connection trick would make Feruchemy/Compounding fail, but even that isn't actually proved). We don't know enough about how some of the "anti-magical" options that Roshar is developing would interact, and we don't know enough about how several of the relevant Surges (Division and Transportation especially) work for Radiants.

I think it was the obligators doing that. But I don't know that there was really any sorting needed, just breaking open the geodes (which was done in a metal-lined room) - I don't think the Pits produced other metals. But the atium beads were then covered up by money so that that metal would hide it from Ruin, and shipped by the Steel Ministry with their money convoys. So I think it was all done by obligators, and hidden within the regular financial movements of the Ministry.

Era 2 is ~1910 tech, so I would bring a bunch of books about technologies from the next few decades. Paper books, because while Era 2 does have knowledge of electricity, I'm not sure if it would interface well with modern devices (how stable is the voltage/current, etc.?) If I could bring multiple things, I'd add in some aluminum to make starting capital.

IIRC, part of what made aluminum really cheap in the US is big hydroelectric dams built during the Great Depression which produced massive amounts of electricity, and then manufacturing facilities built for WWII.

I was more talking about the idea that whether special Investiture properties of a metal are kept in its alloys might not be a straightforward percentage-based thing. And yeah, soulcasting *to* aluminum works fine, but not *from* aluminum. In a sustained fight, I totally agree that level of teleportation wouldn't work - but it might allow a Surgebinder to set up a surprise attack, depending on how "instant" the appearance is.

Oops. Good point. So then Stormlight arc 1 is probably 330-340 years post Hero of Ages.

Arc 1 of Stormlight Archive is after Mistborn Era 2 (but apparently not much after). Alloy of Law is set 341 years after the end of Era 1. Lost Metal will apparently be five or six years after Bands of Mourning, so Stormlight Archive arc 1 is probably 350-ish years after Hero of Ages.

Also, some aluminum alloys (used in guns in Era 2 Scadrial) are investiture-inert, but not all, apparently. So given the idea that Era 1 atium was actually an alloy, I think Soulcasting Era 1 atium might be possible again. But I don't think this is resolvable without either a new WoB or more information in The Lost Metal. We don't know enough about some of the Surges to know how they might (or might not) work in this kind of fight: - Division ... maybe it would be easier to break/melt metalminds off someone than to Soulcast them, or maybe it would be harder since Soulcasting is supposed to be good at dealing with Investiture interference - Transportation ... can Radiants use Transportation for within-Physical-Realm teleports like the Fused do? If so, maybe that could be used for an attack even faster than F-Steel speed? - Another thought is Illumination. Would tin sensory boost, or bronze Allomancy, help distinguish illusions from reality? If not, a Lightweaver vs Fullborn fight might be long and inconclusive.

Oh I agree that the out-of-universe reason is that that hadn't been decided yet. But given the recent WoB about Era 1 atium actually being an alloy, I'm wondering if that is partly intended to fix that issue.

Given that Adonalsium was killed, yeah, it doesn't seem that he(?) was more immortal than a Shard. And presumably not truly omnipotent, unless being Shattered was part of some grand plan that will ultimately end in re-uniting Adonalsium (like the Iriali One and Many idea). The Aethers apparently claim to be not created by Adonalsium. That could just be boasting, but if true, maybe Adonalsium is something like a limited demiurge and didn't really create the entire cosmere universe.

Yeah, I think we need to agree to disagree on that one. Huh. That does seem fairly conclusive*. That strikes me as super weird since Atium can be Pushed/Pulled without unusual difficulty, and Soulcasting is better than most magics at dealing with Investiture interference. Well, godmetals are weird, and Atium maybe more so. *unless we want to go the direction of "pure atium is one thing, Era 1 alloyed atium is something else"... which might actually resolve that. It might be interesting to specifically ask Brandon "could Jasnah have soulcasted the Lord Ruler's metalminds".