Elenion

AP scores are in, and I got a 5 on all 4 of the tests I took! Woohoo!

"I can't carry it, Mr. Frodo, but I can carry you!"

What prevents us from accomplishing our dreams?

@CalderisJust going to drop in a good old-fashioned AMEN! Okay, so I've got a question for the Catholics here. So you believe that the bread and wine becomes the literal flesh and blood of Christ, right? At what point does the bread and wine make the transition from what it was to what it becomes? When it is blessed, or eaten, or inside the body?

I think Vin would lose to Szeth after being worn down by Kaladin. Both Szeth and Kal would be very difficult targets to kill with their mobility and healing potential, and with Vin tired from previous battles I think Szeth's melee combat training would catch her off guard. Plus, there's Division to consider, and Nightblood.

My solution is to lie a lot, but make it so that when I lie it sounds like I'm telling the truth. Sometimes I'll express suspicion of or even vote on elim teammates. Edit: Are you choosing not to lie as a preference because you'd just rather be truthful, or because of a religious or social thing?

I think Joe did that for a while. He swore to tell 100% the truth, but then even village!Joe refused to say anything about his alignment.

I think it was before my time, and my first games were MR15 and LG24.

What is "pulling an Awa?" In-thread I haven't done much until now, but I've done some work behind the scenes with my role. I'll tell you more when PMs are open.

MEGAPOST INCOMING! Okay, first off we need a starting point. Unfortunately, this isn't LG34, where I had access to everybody's role-claims. So let's start off with all posts containing Yitzi's name, because he's our one known elim thus far: First post of Yitzi's, he offers a soft defense of Straw, countering Araris' vote on him for "blatant proliferation of PMs". We know Yitzi was evil and Straw was village, so Yitzi must have defended Straw to attempt to gain trust with the village. Araris' action seems NAI at this time. That post was countered by Rae, who pointed out that PMs can be useful for the elims. Rae is the confirmed Ringleader and so above suspicion. Wilson then calls Yitzi out for defending Straw, citing that in her PM with Straw he seemed like he was info-gathering. Wilson is the first to point the finger at Yitzi, so I'm reading strongly village-aligned neutral on her. Yitzi then rebuffs Wilson's analysis with an anecdote from QF23 where Lopen slipped up in a PM with him. Then there's some miscellaneous discussion about what Straw's PMs might say about his alignment, but we already know his alignment. Then Yitzi says this: This does seem to follow the elim kill patterns thus far: they left Rand and Straw alive after both were deemed suspicious, probably because they anticipated Rae or the lynch doing the grunt work for them. Discussion then switches to Joe's claim of Valjean (convict), but a few pages down the road Lopen mentions a soft suspicion on Yitzi following Wilson's reasoning. Lopen does not put his vote where his mouth is, however. Yitzi then votes Rand, claiming to do so because he's alienating the neutrals. Given his alignment, he was probably hoping for a bandwagon to take off on Rand. At the time he had done this, there were 4 other votes on Rand: BR, Joe, Orlok, and Straw. Straw is confirmed village, Joe and Orlok are neutral probably voting on Rand because he was decidedly anti-neutral, and the composition of most bandwagons suggests that BR is village. Aman opposes Yitzi's reasoning again, and Yitzi backs down, saying that Rand is likely neutral or village. And now Lopen is back and defending Rand (top of pg 19), but no mention of Yitzi, despite voicing suspicions of him earlier but not voting. Later, Lopen says this: This is a swap on Lopen's part: he went from expressing suspicion of Yitzi and Stick, saying that he'd probably vote on one of them by the end of D1, to defending Yitzi from Seonid. But then Lopen's vote ends up on Yitzi anyway, so maybe he was just trying to elucidate Seonid's reasoning. Unrelated to Yitzi, on page 21 Aman starts getting some pretty funky feelings about BR this game. But then BR holds her vote on Yitzi, so that complicates matters. And now, on page 22, things get interesting. Here's the tally as the votes stand (Crimsn's tally) First vote down is Joe trying to shake things up by voting Jondesu. Stick is hesitant to vote, but says that if she does then it would be on Rand--important for later. Crimsn and Orlok suddenly change their votes to Jon, and now the votes stand at (my own calculation, with added colors--not votes) (4) randuir: Straw, Yitzi2, The Flash, Jondesu, (4) Yitzi2: The Mighty Lopen, Amanuensis, Seonid, BrightnessRadiant, (4) Straw: STINK, Araris Valerian, Elenion, asterion137, (1) A Joe in the Bush: randuir, (4) Jondesu: Arraenae, Joe, Crimsn, Orlok (1) Shqueeves: Paranoid King We now have a 4-way tie for the lynch. Then, Stick jumps in and votes for Jon instead of Rand, even though she said she'd probably vote for Rand eariler. She makes no mention of Rand in her posts. And here comes BR with the clincher. She retracts from Yitzi and votes on Jon, making it Jon 6, Rand 4, Straw 4, Yitzi 3. This is what gets Yitzi out of danger. Aaaand... cycle's over. Analysis of the last bit: I think there was at least one elim involved in the last-minute shenanigans, because the elims would definitely not have wanted to lose one of their own D1. The real movers and shakers of that last bit were Joe, who started the Jon wagon; Stick, who put Jon in the lead for the lynch; and BR, who took Yitzi out of immediate danger. I'm not thinking BR was the elim, because elims usually don't like to retract votes from teammates at the last second. It's something that's too easily seen as suspicious, so I'm thinking an elim BR would have just stood by and let Stick shift the vote. Orlok, of course, is neutral and nobody has counterclaimed Convict's Ward, so he's out of the picture. That leaves us with Stick, and I find her suspicious for a number of reasons: 1. She set off Lopen's elim radar, which also caught Yitzi 2. She's been around but hasn't mentioned Yitzi much, which might be an effort to prevent the two from being associated. 3. She said she'd probably vote for Rand, but at the last second she voted Jon citing Aman's reasoning. As an elim, this makes perfect sense, because it removes Yitzi from imminent danger, while associating Stick with village!Aman. Also, the Jon bandwagon was more likely to attract additional last-second support because it had a lot of momentum behind it. As a villager, Stick's move makes less sense, because at least in my experience as a villager on around turnover I don't usually completely change my suspicions at the last second. So there you have it: 3 reasons to vote Stick. That would be because of LG34. At the beginning of the second-to-last day, immediately after Yitzi's death, I made a massive Aman-style post where I identified Meta as almost certainly an elim and Sart or HH as the other (the remaining elims were, in fact, Meta and Sart). Unfortunately, the village was suspicious of me, and I didn't get much support for a Meta vote. Convincing the village that I wasn't evil and, after my Sart suspicions were substantiated, that it was Meta and not I that was evil required a lot of time analyzing and writing posts. I'm in an English 2010 class this summer, and I have a job, and so what time and energy I did have for SE was poured into eking out a victory over there, leaving me with little time or energy to spend reading through pages and pages of D1 discussion. @The Flash can attest to all of the LG34 facts, and STINK can attest that I had very little motivation left to participate in the D1 discussion because I told him so in a PM.

Well, the evil reads on me have arrived. I'm on mobile right now, so that's not conducive for long posts, but I'll grab myself a laptop and find us a better lynch candidate so we don't waste today's lynch on me.

Hey, that's my MBTI! Let me guess: you're rational, efficient, and precise. Looks like you beat me by two days: I finished WoK and WoR in 6 days 22 hours. 5 days is some achievement. And we have a fellow LotR nerd on the forums! Even better! I'm Elenion, often shortened to Len. And don't eat the cookies; they Ruin lives. (after Mistborn 3 you'll get it)

Hold on: SE Player facepalms! (inside jokes and past game references) Amanuensis facepalm: When you post while drunk and accidentally out an elim teammate Ecthelion facepalm: When you just died C1 again Araris facepalm: When people forget you're playing again OrlokTsubodai facepalm: When the village appoints a mayor again LittleWilson facepalm: When your team decides to pull yet another WGG on you Elenion facepalm: When you get a vote-manipulation role again (I mean seriously, the RNG is rigged) TheOnlyJoe facepalm: When someone else uses your signature defenestration kill without asking Jondesu facepalm: When you pick a random player to lie about, but it's the easily-confirmed neutral role Alvron facepalm: When someone steals your head/finger/body part again GM facepalm: When the SK dies early again

As a glasses-wearer myself (I'm legally blind nearsighted), I find the best tactic is to facepalm with them on but put the palm of my hand to my forehead.

By my calculations that's going to be during C8. With 2 basically guaranteed kills per round, and the potential for more, by that time the game will either be over or down to the last few players. Of course, I could always arrange for your early death...

*puts on reading specs* *scrutinizes rules* *facepalms*

Let's assume for a second that all Ghostbloods, Sons, and Voidbringers are killed. What would then be the condition for the game to end?

@ArraenaeWere you in contact with Orlok? During last turn he contacted me and asked for my read on Rand (I responded slightly village), and he might have contacted others to ask the same thing.

"It's people like my father who support the taxes. It's old-fashioned protectionism and nothing more. The taxes drive up the prices for the shippers outside of Elendel, so the goods suppliers have to go to houses like ours. That's probably the only reason our house is still around, with Father wasting his money like he is. I'm against the taxes too, if only because I want to see Father humbled."

Roger chuckled slightly, "I'm sure my father didn't want me to come here either. He never wanted me to do anything except sit around in one of our estates. Occasionally he let me go to a ball, but that was very rare. My father had many enemies; he said it was part of being in the shipping business. Your family wouldn't happen to be in shipping too, by any chance?"

So the Sons want to finish the Parshendi before the Ghostbloods and lynches get them, and reversed for the Voidbringers. The rank and file Alethi and Parshendi want their respective Hidden faction to win the game and therefore get their public faction the survival condition. The Ghostbloods need to eliminate the Sons and Voidbringers first, and then finish off the rank and file members.

Oh, missed that. Unrelated question: if the Sons of Honor kill all Parshendi, but there is still a Ghostblood among the Alethi, does the game end with a Sons win? If so, that would make a Ghostblood win nigh impossible.

Yes. All secret factions have access to the public faction docs, or else a quick role-call could ferret out all of the elims.

I purposefully left my race out of the sign-up. Nobody said my significant other wasn't a racist Parshendi.

Roger didn't answer the question for a second, thinking too much about what should have been a simple response. "I guess it's because Father is on the wrong side of history, and I'm here to make up for it." He purposefully left the details vague. It was already a miserable morning, with the rain and the fatigue, and he didn't want to dredge up any more painful memories than that phantom voice already had. "I could never be proud to carry his name. But tell me about your father--he seems to have raised you right. What is it like to have a real father?"