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The possibility of an Elim jester soldier scares me quite a bit. Also guys try not to always use cytonics on people who you are publicly suspicious of, because then the Elims can play around your cytonics more easily.

I'll join as Edmond Dantès. He was wrongfully imprisoned by the elendel constabulary after being framed by four people from bilming and has arrived at the barricade to hunt them down and exact his revenge

So if you use cytonics on an elim and you get elim-killed, does the elim die? Or does it have to be the person who sends in the elim order?

I'll join as Ferb, a reformed drunkard applying for a professor's job @cloudjumper

strength won't come into play imo if the mistborn has atium (which they almost always do)

mistborn with atium beats shardbearing radiant. Mistborn with atium beats damnation near anything tho

that's quite the acronym

IIRC Elend's body is accounted for as of shadows of self

did you read shadows for silence in the forests of hell?

isn't there a better way to inform new members about double posting than downvotes?

I don't know why 50-60 mistborn seems that improbable when at least 25 (a conservative estimate) can be accounted for in the series. We definitely only meet a tiny fraction of the nobility in the Final Empire so it seems likely that there are many more mistborn behind the scenes. I mean everyone seems to ignore/forget the kelsier quote that says TLR can gather "literally millions" of soldiers which is why everyone else pegs numbers at being roughly even. Even 2 million skaa + koloss, which is the most conservative interpretation of millions, is close to 3:1 I think coin to the eyeslit is the logical thing to try after the first few coins seem to do nothing (see: kaladin vs shardbearer) and a mistborn can definitely survive long enough to try a few different things because of atium. I agree that mistborn don't normally like the idea of aiming that much but a dagger to the eye a la kaladin would have the same effect. Duralumin and steel for inquisitors should work too. Or duralumin and pewter and a heavy weapon. The Shardbearer has no option except waiting for the mistborn to run out of atium. He put mistborn (assassin) above protoradiant(warrior) who can fight shardbearers(warrior) and then compared each mistborn(assassin) to Szeth(assassin) who trumps shardbearers(warriors) so the >/</= math works out

illusions can't fool atium shadows, they're spiritual constructs. A coinshot to the head should kill a proto radiant since their healing is confirmed to be unable to heal serious head wounds

I think a lot of this thread is blatantly low-balling scadrial's resources in terms of mistborn. House Venture had access to 3 mistborn at a minimum, while House Elarial had at least 2. Assuming there were on average 2 mistborn per house thats 20 right there (and it's probably more). Non-great houses also had access to mistborn. Certainly Cett was able to get a hold of one even though his bloodline was impure. I think 50-60 is a minimum for mistborn levels in the final empire especially considering that the ones we see are certainly not all that exist and we can count at least 30. I don't think the Final Empire has a way to lose this war if they take Roshar seriously. They just have too many options. The Koloss are basically more versatile and durable cavalry and when used in tandem with allomantic fear tactics will be nigh unstoppable. Mistborn with atium trump shardbearers (coin to the eye ouch), and inquisitors trump them even harder. Mistborn snipers will use atium to make sure their coins make contact with slippery proto radiants and pelt them to death. Coinshots and lurchers can wreck Rosharan formations at will. Scadrian troops will have a natural strength advantage (skaa were literally built to perform manual labor and their capacity for combat when roused was noted during the series). Rosharans might have a height advantage, but if we're ignoring the fact that Rosharans will die in minutes under normal gravity we should probably ignore Roshar's gravitational benefits as well. In addition to this, Scadrial has a solid numbers advantage, possibly even having 3 times as many soldiers as Roshar does. Now I'm not denying that Roshar has a few advantages. Soulcasters are huge for an extended war, and if they resort to guerilla tactics Roshar could extend the war for a while with their infinite food. However, we also know that the Alethi lost their first few battles against the Parshendi due to their inability to adapt in a pinch. The Parshendi lacked the numbers to capitalize on these mistakes but Scadrial has no such handicap. Scadrial will rout the Rosharans in the first battle behind a koloss charge and rioting/soothing and the koloss will outrun the fleeing Rosharans and turn it into a bloodbath. The Inquisitors, being sadists, will let the bloodbath continue. Perhaps some smaller units will survive and Scadrial will take a few years finishing them off but Roshar will be done after the first battle.

1. Marsh 2. Lightsong 3. Raidriar 4. Kelsier 5. Bleeder 6. Denth 7. Taravangian 8. Sazed 9. Gaotona 10. Kaladin

as a sanderson fan i would like to see the arranged marriage not work out at least once. 3 times in a row is fine (elantris warbreaker mistborn era 2) 4 is a little too much for me

Well they could probably push harder in the same way that any person could push harder if they brace themself against a wall. Their muscular strength wouldn't change but they still would be pushing harder.

There were 20,000 koloss at least in the southern dominance alone. Given that the Southern Dominance was one of the smallest dominances, I think we can assume there were 100,000 at least under the lord ruler. Plus it's implausible for TLR to keep half his koloss army in the South when most of the fighting is in the outer dominances. IIRC he did this with the First Generation He gathered hundreds of thousands

well I don't think the Lord Ruler could take over the world with 50,000 koloss and there's not much supporting the 50,000 figure except ruin's quote "I made them from your people" when he was talking to vin which could also refer to ruin's influence on TLR.

It's small compared to eurasia or africa. Just like if you dropped the final empire somewhere on our globe it would be big but far from the biggest thing around.

spears won't kill koloss easily. Plus the Alethi long spears are 10-12 feet long right? A big koloss can reach around that far with a 6 foot sword. Killing a koloss with a spear also leaves the spear tangled in skin which creates a break in the phalanx. Plus there's the issue that not all the rosharans are as disciplined as alethi soldiers. There will be some alethi "home guard" or aziri holding the flanks as auxiliaries which will be easy meat for the koloss.

Well yes but it's still the smallest continent. My point is that TFE can be that large without taking up a large portion of the planet like Brandon said. My scaling of TFE might have been a little off but at the very least the final empire is Australia sized if not larger

you could also say that on Earth (Scadrial is roughly earth-sized) australia takes up a "relatively small" amount of space even though it's actually a little larger than I proposed the final empire to be. The scale for the Elendel basin is taken directly from the map in the books so it's confirmed to be 400-something miles across. It's also confirmed that the Elendel Basin is located in roughly that part of the old Final Empire and that's where the coastline matches up best so I think that if my scale is off it's not by all that much.

I think the end of the cosmere cycle will be in less than a thousand years in-world time, so Marsh is pretty much set.