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I'm sure that actually is the situation. However, I don't think that that would be stable over Roshar-history lengths of time; beliefs change. If the current social structure arose shortly after the Heralds left the Honorblades behind, that would be close to 5000 Earth years. I agree that simply having faith would not allow for such long periods of peace. Perhaps the Shin actually have something which, to their mind, proves their beliefs? This could be something to do with the Honorblades. Perhaps, since they worship the spren, the Stone Shamans could bring people into shadesmar and show them the truth? Similar to the pre-Reod worship of the Elantrians - faith is not needed when you can see your gods. I feel this is much more likely to lead to stability, as long as no evidence appears to question the beliefs (such as the Reod. Or Szeth's claims?). Edit: oops, I did not mean to say they worship the spren. They worship spirits of the stones and stars. For some reason, I always connected these with the spren, but they're not really the same.

Reading the quote above more carefully, does it seem to you guys that perhaps the Larkin communicated with the Aimian? It "scrambled away" immediately after Kaza moved, and the Sleepless shows up very quickly after. I understand their is a high possibility that the Sleepless was just combing the area to make sure his/her (do they even have gender?) plan had succeeded and could have found Kaza without help from the Larkin, making the events completely unrelated. I'm overanalyzing things a bit, but is it possible that the Larkin is acting as a friendly messenger to the Sleepless? (I find it unlikely that the Larkin is one of the hordelings. Mostly because I doubt Nin would carry them around if he knew about that.)

Ahhh, I never saw that one. Oops. They probably found almost everything possible already. Sorry about the new, useless, topic then. I agree that the Sleepless likely have some strange manifestation in either the Spiritual or the Cognitive realm.

I'm starting this topic here because Dysian Aimians were not revealed as of the end of WoR. I didn't know until today that Wit actually talks to one of the Sleepless during the WoR epilogue: (http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=1182#40) This detail wants me to go hunting for other suspicious cremlings lurking in monumental events.. Perhaps we can figure out what the Dysians are up to? Unfortunately, I am lending my copies of both books to a friend currently, so I won't be able to contribute much to this search :/. Also, brief thought: Is it a coincidence that there happens to be a Sleepless at the same spot where Jasnah is about to appear? That seems to indicate that the Dysians, like Hoid, are able to have some insight and are watching the new Radiants, or perhaps they are just watching Hoid. (The other option is that they have spy hordelings spread everywhere on Roshar and that every third cremling is actually one of them. Creepy).

I agree that Gavilar could easily have knowledge of such events, but I am inclined to doubt that he would mention something so obscure in front of Sadeas, Dalinar, Ialai, and Navani. I feel like his intention during that passage was to provide well-known examples of empires that had stretched too far. That being said, I could be totally wrong and Gavilar maybe wasn't thinking through everything he was saying.

Yeah, I realized that mistake fairly quickly. It's been changed. Thanks for pointing it out though. Nice thoughts! I was also considering that he was a rogue, perhaps having stolen an honorblade. However, all 10 blades are accounted for (Mr. T mentions the Shin have 7, Szeth had Jezrien's, Nin/Nalan has his own, and Talenel had his). Perhaps it is possible that they recovered the blade after Shubreth died, and that contributed to the collapse of his empire? I feel I'm speculating too far on too little information, however.

Hi guys. Sorry if this topic doesn't seem sufficiently important, but, while reading Dalinar's feast flashback, I noticed an odd detail. Gavilar mentions previous empires that stretched too far, leading to their collapse (Genghis Khan style), and he throws in the name "Shubreth-son-Mashamalan". This appears to be a Shin name, due to the "-son-" (unless you guys know of other cultures in Roshar that use that?). It seems rather odd to me that the Shin, who have an extremely non-violent attitude, would produce an empire. Could this be what led to the formation of their current society? That seems unlikely, since Stone Shamanism and the Shin possession of honorblades indicates that their beliefs are very old and contain a good deal of truth. Perhaps Shubreth was a truthless who was used by somebody else to conquer? My current assumption is that this empire was formed after the Heirocracy, but I could be totally wrong.

What if Cusicesh has something to do with the Windrunner order? He's called "the protector" and is blue colored, which are both some very interesting ties. Could the faces he flashes be former Windrunners? Maybe there are similar spren for other orders of the Radiants? This seems like a stretch though.

Hoid may have powers that come from magic before the Shattering of Adonalsium. This means that he might be travelling forward or regenerating using similar realmatic methods as allomancey, but use a completely different method of accessing that power. (He may not need metal as a focus)

Could what Sanderson said about Syl refer to when she knew that Szeth was coming to kill Dalinar? To add to previous discussion, that warning came IMMEDIATELY after Kaladin's second dream in the storm.

I'm just gonna throw this one in here, it isn't my actual favorite but I love it's comedy. It's from a read aloud of a stormlight 3 chapter but the quote has no real spoilers. "If somebody insulted my biceps, I wouldn't attack them. I'd refer them to a physician because obviously something is wrong with their vision." -Dalinar Kholin, with a straight face.

I believe that there are also other ways for him to wiggle around. For example, what if Trell had the power of two shards, like Harmony? (Let's say, Odium and some other shard) We know Harmonium is a metal, so Trell would still have his own metal. The Trellium spike technically wouldn't be Odium's physical embodiment, because it would be a mix of that and another shard's. He could claim we know of the shard if we knew both the shards that it was comprised of. I don't entirely believe this, but it should be noted Harmony couldn't defeat Trell, which either means that Trell is equally or more powerful, Harmony is too inexperienced with his power, or is just ineffective because his two intents cancel each other out.

The spike mentioned is believed to be of Trelliun, however.

I had not thought of it in that way. Thanks for pointing it out. I'm not sure about that now.

Right now I'm going to try and combine several cosmere religions and 2 theories recently proposed. The theories found are here: and here: First, the God Beyond. I believe he isn't Adonalsium, but rather the force that opposed Adonalsium and is still around. This is because of the word Beyond. The Beyond is the afterlife, the only place the shards of Adonalsium can't touch. If Adonalsium couldn't touch it either, it would be the only place where opposition to Adonalsium wouldn't be silenced. The theories above say, respectively, that the sun of the Cognitive Realm is the Great Beyond and Adonalsium's cognitive shadow. However, I am now combining those theories with Trelagism: where the sun is the eye of Nalt, Trell's brother, who opposed him. Nalt is the God Beyond, and Trell is Adonalsium. The sun is both the God Beyond and the Great Beyond (I'll explain why I think it's both shortly) Trelagism is a perversion of the truth where the sun of the Cognitive Realm has become the actual sun, and Adonalsium is worshiped, when I believe he was in fact evil. In his letter to Hoid, Frost says that bringing the touch and design of Adonalsium to the worlds Hoid visited brought pain. This could also explain why the Mistborn Era 2 Trellists were evil to some extent. In addition, the God Beyond is also who the Iriali call the One, who split himself so he/she (technically both?) could experience all things. Although this sounds like Adonalsium at first, the Iriali believe that he split himself into all the people alive, not 16 Shards. In Iriali belief, all experiences become the One's in the end. The end; death. Upon death, people's souls go to the Beyond. They re-join and become part of the One, the God Beyond, who is the same as the Great Beyond. People appear as flames in the Cognitive Realm because they are a small part of the God Beyond, who is the sun. The Vorin people believe that the afterlife is a battle, and it is, between the God Beyond and Adonalsium.

I know. That's why I said I was assuming it was a funeral.

Actually, in the graphic novel Kenton says that sand creatures who try to eat the watery vines don't die, their teeth dissolve. Though perhaps swallowing a human would cause a sandling to die, most sandlings might take a bite and realize their mistake.

I found some new facts that may support my theory while rereading Elantris. There is a sideways picture on the wall of the building leading to Devotion's shardpool depicting an Elantrian falling into the Pool. The other side of the pool was described as being dark, except for a "large white sphere." The Pool is a perpendicularity into the Cognitive Realm, and the Elantrian was (supposedly) being thrown in as part of a funeral. That means the depicted sphere is the sun of the Cognitive Realm, and it may represent the afterlife. (Assuming of course that the picture showed a funeral). Remember that even the pre-Reod Elantrians likely had a grasp of realmatics.

The wavelength depends on the amount of heat. Room temperature objects glow in the infrared, yes.

Wait, if Shallan can manipulate any wave-particle dualities then she can also manipulate electrons. Which means... MAGNETO! Jk manipulating electrons would allow you to control waayyyy more than just metal. For example, you could literally tear apart any chemical bonds, turning anything into a mush of atoms. In fact, if you were enough of a chemist, you could reform those bonds into anything you like. You could turn a human into a tree.

As mentioned above, using an unkeyed nicrosil metalmind seems as if it can convert between forms of investure. A radiant could fill it with stormlight and a Nalthisian would draw Breaths from it. On a side note, it doesn't seem that Breaths use their own investure to awaken things, as they are never used up. It seems that they are more similar to an allomantic metal, as a focus that allows energy to be drawn from the Endowment. Unlike metal though, it still contains investure so I find that confusing. Also, would an Elantrian have to draw an Aon to be able to draw investure from an unkeyed nicromind?

A joule is defined to be a kilogram times meter squared per second squared, aka the amount of energy to accelerate a one kilogram object at one meter per second squared over a distance of one meter. So all you need is a windrunner or skybreaker to lash an object of a known mass at a known constant of acceleration (one lashing would have a constant of 0.7 x 9.8 = 6.86 meters per second squared) with a known amount of stormlight, measure how far the object goes before the stormlight runs out and it stops accelerating, and bam you can calculate joules.

Elantrians can disguise themselves and others in what is basically lightweaving. And the excerpt is read aloud here:

So an earlier theory said that Dalinar's wife could be Vivenna, but her description doesn't match at all. I thought a bit about people who could match her description, and came up with Sarene, from Elantris. Both Dalinar's wife and Sarene are described as tall and blonde haired. Both Navani and Ialai say that she is dull-witted, and playing dumb is one of Sarene's favorite tricks. In addition, Dalinar's wife is left handed, and while I couldn't find anything about Sarene's preferred hand in the text, the french cover for Elantris shows Sarene holding her syre in her left hand. I found this more credible than the fanart I also found with the syre in her right hand. Though this theory is still obviously far-fetched, I feel Sarene matches the descriptions much better than anybody else. This next thought, however, might seem even more crazy: Dalinar sees an Elantrian in the highstorm, not a voidbringer. I am referring to the chapter that Brandon read aloud, the same one where Dalinar's wife is introduced. While in the highstorm, Dalinar sees a "gargantuan" figure from a distance, striding on "spindly, luminous legs." It seems to attack Dalinar by throwing a gust of wind and a boulder at him. Dalinar gives it a rude gesture and steps back inside. This seems to clearly be a stormform Parshendi, right? Except it doesn't make any sense chronologically. This happened twenty years before the Parshendi were found by the Alethi, and Gavilar hadn't started receiving visions yet. It completely defies reason for an actual Parshendi to be in the middle of Gavilar's army camp at that time. Unless it wasn't a Parshendi. Look at the description again. There is no mention of what color the light is, so that is no indication. However, it seems to be glowing too brightly to be a Stormform. Though some parts of its description match what Kaladin sees during the highstorm with Shallan, it is described as far more bright. (Kaladin says he sees shadowy figures in the storm). Stormform Parshendi glow along lines on there bodies, but the aren't exactly luminous, like the Elantrians are. What's more, it doesn't seem interested in attacking Dalinar. After the boulder is tossed, it does no more, and doesn't try to throw lightning, allowing Dalinar to go back inside peacefully. A voidbringer wouldn't allow somebody to see it and live. You're probably wondering why, if the being was a peaceful Elantrian, it seemed to attack Dalinar in the first place, and how it did so. However, we have seen Elantrians create blasts of wind. When they teleport using Aon Tia. The "attack" was a total accident, caused when the Elantrian appeared there. The wind coming from it also picked up and threw the boulder. I get that the second part seems extremely far-fetched, but I believe there was something fishy with the "voidbringer" Dalinar saw, even though I don't buy the theory completely myself.

Cool! Didn't know that.