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  1. Harakeke
    Fantastic!
  2. Harakeke
    I shall use this as evidence to support my earlier Aon-based theory! ;-)
  3. Harakeke
    "Dalinar moved to the overturned table and kicked off one of the legs. He scooped it up, falling into Smokestance's sword-and-knife form." -WoK p. 299 Seems more consistent with #7 to me.
  4. Harakeke
    I doubt it'll break the 4th wall. Even the use of English in the Alethi Script notations has been officially handwaved as something along the lines of "the translators wanting to preserve the essence of the script for you English readers".
  5. Harakeke
    You know, he never did specify *which* book, did he...? This could all be some grand Librarian conspiracy!
  6. Harakeke
    My personal theory -- which I concede is mostly speculation -- is that the Code is a way to write Keteks without making your eyes bleed. I think it condenses big messy glyphs down into a neat numerical sequence. My evidence for this hunch isn't particularly strong, and I'm admittedly biased toward a linguistic solution. ;-)
  7. Harakeke
    Navani's map in WoR makes it pretty clear:
  8. Harakeke
       Aladar is the 3rd one down (inverted). Compare vs. p. 997 in WoR 1st is probably Vamah -- He's the only one that starts with a V
  9. Harakeke
    Yeah - rotating 90° seems invalid. Most of them I derived from Thaylen, and then cross-checked against the Highprince names: Sadeas, Roion, Sebarial, Kholin, Aladar; and Kaladin's tattoos: Sas, Nahn, Shash. Which is why I'm more confident about *S than the other letters.
  10. Harakeke
    Never hurts to explore new ideas! Though in this context, I think it makes more sense for Navani to have jotted down the names in their contracted form. She uses Kholin to refer to herself, Adolin, and Dalinar in various maps. Here's an interesting puzzler: The Alethi Warcamps map has ten Highprince name glyphs along the left side, with the Compass Rose (Urithiru?) glyph in the middle. Note that the top set of glyphs are upside-down. Sadeas, Sebarial, Aladar, and Roion are easy to pick out. I'm not seeing Kholin though. The map itself does have the stylized Tower & Crown "Kokh Linl" drawn next to Dalinar's camp. Edit: The closest I can find (i.e. the only one that could plausibly start with a K) is the second from the top. This could be the more standard form of Kokh Linl. Parsing that glyph might yield useful information.
  11. Harakeke
       I suspect they show the Road to Urithiru. http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/6487-thaylen-and-alethi-glyph-translation-spoilers/page-3#entry109296
  12. Harakeke
    I'm close to 100% confident in my Thaylen > English key (barring any letters that didn't occur in the map). Pattern looked it over earlier too, and other than some silly some typos converting my handwritten key, it checks out. Here's a selection of some of my more coherent glyph notes (ignore the Thaylen key on the legal pad. It's backwards. =P):
  13. Harakeke
      Haha! If you think those are bad, try wrapping your head around "Kharbranth" on p. 454 of WoK! ;-) Ah, I see. Though I've spotted enough reflection/rotation permutations to feel reasonably assured that the Alethi glyphs do explicitly encode vowels based on the positioning of the associated consonant (whether that is before or after...).
  14. Harakeke
    Great sleuthing! According to the wiki, that would be around 1165-66, and the first death messages were recorded around 1167 (though the ones in the epigraphs only start in 1171). Way of Kings takes place in early to mid 1173, and many of the death messages from WoK fall within this range. The North Wall Coda dates are from late 1173, which is when I believe WoR takes place.
  15. Harakeke
    Interesting! Though wouldn't that interpretation translate to "LiN KoK NiL"? I assumed that is the single glyph contraction "iN oL -K | -K oL iN", (alternately | Ko Li N-) and that the glyphpair KoKh LiNiL is what we see in the Tower & Crown chapter heading emblem.
  16. Harakeke
    Yeah - of all the glyphs, those are the easiest to read. Unfortunately, we don't know what words/sounds they go with. Note that the "Voidbinding" chart on the opposite cover uses the same basic sub-glyphs, but rotates them rather than reflects them.
  17. Harakeke
    Also, it seems like the shape of the glyphpairs can vary. Hasn't Kholin (kokh linl) been mentioned as being shaped both like a tower & crown, and like a sword & crown?
  18. Harakeke
    Agreed on both points. The Vigenere is one of my favorite ciphers, so I played with that early on -- but I couldn't find a logical way to set up the rows & columns that was consistent with any of the number parsings.
  19. Harakeke
    My personal theory is that they directly continue the sequence of dates associated with the death messages in the WoK epigraphs. http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/6398-wor-chapter-84-code/?p=104365 Do we have any sense of the date when the Diagram was constructed? The dates contained within might be a prediction of future utterances.
  20. Harakeke
    Is it possible for Urithiru to be located off the southwest coast of Roshar? http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/6487-thaylen-and-alethi-glyph-translation-spoilers/?p=109296
  21. Harakeke
    Oh! Clever! Reminds me of how the number names (jes chach vev) concatenate to form dates (Jesachev).
  22. Harakeke
    Yeah - that's why they only sort of overlap. But I'm not particularly thrilled with my speculation about that glyphpair in general. =P No, but that'd be a fantastic way for someone to help if they don't want to dive into the codebreaking side of things . There are digital versions of the illustrations available at : http://brandonsanderson.com/books/the-stormlight-archive/words-of-radiance/stormlight-2-maps-and-illustrations and http://brandonsanderson.com/books/the-stormlight-archive/the-way-of-kings/stormlight-1-maps-and-illustrations/
  23. Harakeke
    Yeah, also the pictures don't match up. My translations of the calligraphic glyphs are still heavily speculative.
  24. Harakeke
    @Argent: Great thoughts! 1. Yeah. My grasp on that is still somewhat in flux. Generally it seems like glyphs are written symmetrically outward and down, starting from the top middle. 2. The vertical bar might be purely decorative, or it might indicate that the word starts with a consonant. Either option seems plausible to me, pending further insights. I tried to structure my key template to accommodate either interpretation. 3. Yeah. Sadeas is a pain. =P I parsed his glyph phonetically: [-S] [aD] [aS], but this isn't necessarily correct. 4. Quite possibly! I arbitrarily picked the vowel-consonant ordering to narrow down the possible graphemes, but consonant-vowel is equally plausible, and perhaps more elegant. 1. Yeah - half of those glyphs are upside-down 2. Exactly 3. Yep. It looks like in the calligraphic form, the line can denoted with a dot instead. This may distinguish meaningful lines from decorative lines. 4. I look forward to seeing what you come up with!
  25. Harakeke
    Fantastic!
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