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The thing with an autoimmune disease is that 'technically' nothing is wrong. The white blood cells just think various important organs are enemies. You don't want to get rid of your white blood cells and antibodies, but I don't see how gold healing can convince the immune system that harmless things are not threat. A simple thing would be to find out if you could heal an allergy with gold.

cancers are caused by mutated cells. Gold should be able to fix that easily. Genetic diseases are caused by a more wide scale version, where most or all cells contain a mutation. I think this one might be able to be fixed if the individual does not view the mutation as a fundamental part of them. I'd still want to clarify though.

it should be able to cure diabetes. After all, it just undoes the damage to the pancreas. The genetic factors would likely remain.

biggest question is regarding a fetus. How does one count an unborn child? Part of the mother or not?

And what effect would healing have on medications? Contraceptive medication works by altering the natural cycle. What would happen if gold 'fixed' things by restoring natural hormonal balances? "Do not use gold feruchemy while taking progestin. Use of gold feruchemy while taking progestin may cause ovulation to resume. This may result in pregnancy." I am sooo looking forward to the modern day trilogy... I want to see how this is addressed.

Actually, he was talking about a cold. Colds are caused by viruses which are ... weird ... to say the least. It's possible they go inert when tapping gold, which also heals the damaged cells. But once they're 'dead' they no longer register as a threat, so gold doesn't get rid of them. 

We need information on bacterial infections. Also autoimmune diseases, and cancers. I think gold healing should heal cancer, but not an autoimmune disease. and then there are genetic disorders... That one would really depend on one's cognitive image I'd think.

in all cases actual damage should be healed, but whether or not the illness returns... Adding to the questions to ask Brandon if he EVER comes anywhere near  NY.

The timing doesn't work. Spook was clearly in the north while Kel was in the South.

the reason I don't think Kelsier used Hemalurgy to become a feruchemist is because using it opens him to outside influence. Which strikes me as something he'd want to avoid. I don't think the extra power would be worth giving anyone, even a friend, the ability to control him. The maximum amount of spikes I'd give him is two, leaving a margin for error. 

Which is why I think he did whatever the first feruchemists did to gain the power. Especially since he should know how they did it. 

(This is also tied to my theory that full feruchemists are not a natural part of the magic system, but were a hack like Mistborn.)

We don't know that, unless you have a WoB I haven't seen yet Yata. (Very possible.) Right now we know human Scadriens can use them. Whether or not a non-human or off worldwide can is something that has yet to be answered to my knowledge.

The only one I know offhand is the announcer vs. The first witness. I don't know of any place where the two sets are listed side by side.

On 9/11/2016 at 4:51 PM, Oversleep said:

Nope.

We are not sure whether the simple fact that the godmetal exists makes it burnable/tappable. It obviously can be used as a spike, but then anyone on Scadrial can do Hemalurgy while for Allomancy or Feruchemy one has to have specific spiritual genes.

And even if Trell did those things Brandon spoke of in that WoB, it would only mean that from this point in time onward Mistborn could burn it (sadly, there are none) or that a Trellium Misting could be born (that it, if godmetal Mistings happen naturally). If a person was born before Trell did those things, it would be impossible for that person to be able to burn it.

Now, the Spearhead contains abilities Kelsier had - and he was born way before that whole thing, so his Mistborn abilities are confined to the base sixteen and lerasium and its alloys and atium and its alloys. We do not know where his Feruchemy comes from, but then again it would still be older than Trell's shenaningans.

So the Spearhead cannot help in studying trellium

Actually Mistborn can burn all metals, but if they're not alomantic they die. If it's a bad alloy they just get ill. The Bands are still useless here though; each of the sixteen alomantic and feruchemical abilities was stored separately. It isn't one block of power, but a bunch of little ones. Assuming Paalm's spike is burnable there is still no reason for Kelsier to have stored the ability to do so. Not unless he knew about it anyway...

Or they have had some sort of falling out, which is not impossible. Though I'd think Kell is more likely to be responsible if that is the case. It could even be both.

for some reason I don't see them getting along as well as they used to.

BTW, has anyone here read found objects? I found it on fanfiction.net and it has a very amusing take on what Kell might be doing in his spare time.

Something to keep in mind here: Wayne comments that his cold vanishes when he is tapping gold, but reappears when he stops. So stormlight may not heal a virus either. This may be because a virus goes insert when healing and is no longer recognized as a threat. It also may be due to the original virus mutating.

My personal theory was that viruses do not exist on Roshar. There is clearly bacteria (things decay) but no indications of a virus. And if you have no immunity to a virus, even the common cold can prove deadly. The common cold is actually one of the most contagious and rapidly changing viruses there is. We don't see it as dangerous because our bodies know how to handle a virus. In a population without that the side effects would likely be more severe, people would not know how to treat it, and even when they get over one it is only to catch another. The disease itself may not kill, but ignorance will. And that isn't taking into account what happens when people start to panic.

As noted, people on Roshar tend not to get sick. People who rarely get ill tend to be worse off when they DO get sick because their bodies are unused to it and don't know how to react. So the Rosharans may actually suffer more than other people. 

And that's all before considering that the virus could mutate to become something much worse than a cold.

Ditto! I'm really eager to see how much more we learn once Oathbringer comes out...

It's actually been a few centuries since Harmony ascended. Alloy takes place between the two five book arcs, or thereabouts. So we can rule out Ruin. The Survivorist general is Demoux.

Good catch though! I'll have to re-read Mrall's reaction at that part.

My husband can do some programming, and I can draw (2D only though.) my sister does so as well. The two of us could probably do some story boarding and create 2D models you can use as a basis for the 3D ones.

On September 2, 2016 at 5:08 PM, PantsForSquares said:

Kinda off-topic, but

Actually, pure bismuth is only colored when you create crystals with it, and you need high purity bismuth (>99%) in order to actually get the cool colors. The exterior of the crystals is actually bismuth oxide, and I believe that the temperature that the bismuth is at when it oxidizes influences its color. I'm not 100% sure if temperature influences the color, but that's an educated guess based on what I understand about electrons and the like.

I'm not a geologist, so I was going by what I could find on Wikipedia. The metal is full grey with reddish streaks. I'm not talking about the crystals at all.

On September 2, 2016 at 10:29 AM, Argel said:

I don't see a similarity myself. Are you thinking they look similar, or the protectiveness? Curious to know your thoughts behind it. 

The mental illness and the (badly) suppressed anger and trauma. Possibly the distrust as well. Not any good traits, but a similar psychology. 

For more info please PM me.

I always took Shallan's assault on Kaladin's parents as transference on her part. SHE had the horrific home life, but is suppressing large portions of it which are now surfacing. Transferring it to someone else is part of her coming to terms with it. As for why he's the victim of her transference... I have a theory that Kaladin reminds Shallan of Lin on an unconscious level. It would explain several of their interactions.

On 8/31/2016 at 8:34 PM, Xaklys said:

Could have been Jezrien maybe?  He was confirmed by Brandon to have been in The Way of Kings.

I think Jezrian is sitting at the beggars feast, completely drunk, during Gavilar's assassination. The description fits anyway. He says 'have you seen me?' to Szeth, and right afterwards Szeth walks by the Heralds statues...

Governor comes from the word govern, and can mean a variety of different things depending on the usage. At its simplest it merely someone in charge which works here.

The Basin appears to be a collection of city-States, much like ancient Greece. However, I believe each city sends representatives to a Senate in Elendel. A Confederacy, perhaps? The Basin isn't exactly a unified country, but it isn't quite separate ones either. It probably has some resemblance to the American system, where each state is a mini country, but also part of a larger one. Maybe early Constitution United States, or even the Articles US.

Elendel is the trade hub and it controls the other cities through a mercantile like system. The oppression is monetary, not physical. Taxes have caused more than one civil war. Which, though most Americans don't see it this way, is what our revolution WAS. It just happened to be successful, which is why it is a revolution. 

As an artist, here are some thoughts. You get brown and grey the same way when mixing pigments. (It has to with contrasting colors.) I've never actually understood why awakening turns objects grey, as grey is itself a color and should be usable for awakening. It makes more sense to turn things white... Which DOES happen when a person with sufficient power drains ALL color from an object. 

So where does that leave us? Simple. We are not actually seeing grey; we are perceiving grey! Look up pointilism. See the pictures? See the colors? Now look VERY closely. Tiny dots. Tiny tiny dots. The eye mixes those dots into pictures... AND colors.

basically, when you awaken something you don't suck all the color from an object; you suck MOST of the color from an object. On a microscopic level. The result is something our eyes perceive as grey (but isn't.) If you drain all the color you are left with white.

if someone was VERY good at awakening maybe they could pull all the color from small amounts of fabric? Individual threads perhaps? As they'd be pulling more color from a smaller area most of the color should be drained. Because our eyes read this as one color a piece of fabric would appear to get lighter. Say, dark brown to tan? In reality a coat might be threads of dark brown and pale grey, but it would LOOK like a tan.

and adding pale grey paint to a brown one is one way of getting tan...

if i'm right about the grey versus white then we don't need to invent new rules for awakening. We just use the ones we have and assume Ven Dell is very subtle. Which isn't much of a jump - he IS a Kandra. 

Yes, but then they stepped back. Wax and Steris will likely be recalled for beginning negotiations with the South, but it will be the leaders on both sides that will be the major players. It's quite possible that the negotiations will be what is actually remembered; those involved will be forgotten. (Do YOU know the names of the people who wrote the Magna Carta? I don't. John signed it to Richard's chagrin, but the people who actually wrote it?) 

If we are talking about the other major revelation, a lot depends on Wax's actions. If he keeps it quiet, which he may well do, then he isn't going to be remembered in regard to it. The Bands are going to be kept quiet, if anyone has any sense, and medallion technology will likely be associated with the above treaty negotiations. 

The greatest irony may well be that, despite all they've done, our quartet is all but forgotten by most people. Somewhat like Richard Henry Lee. (For those not into US history, he was the one who brought the official motion for independence to the continental congress. The result of which was a, considerably better known, Declaration...)

I have a crazy theory that full Feruchemists are as natural as Mistborn. (As in, they really aren't.)  Basically my idea is that whoever took up the Well before Rashek used it's power to create Feruchemists among his/her people. (Or the means by which they became Feruchemists.) Those people became the Terris. It would also explain how they knew so much.

Brandon has refused to tell us where the first Feruchemists came from, which is why I don't think it's natural. This was my explanation. I'm sure there are better ones... has Brandon said anything about the cycles before the Rashek incident?

I think the op may be referring to Steris finding the fights arousing. This isn't an unheard of reaction in real life though; it isn't even that unusual. Being in a fight causes adrenaline to flow and different people react to it differently. For some it is an almost euphoric experience. Others get very calm and focused, while others react in the exact opposite manner. So I'd say that it's interesting, but not unusual. 

If your referring to how she keeps calm in a crisis, again, that isn't unusual. Her asperger's may actually help her here, odd as that may sound. And she is shaken later; Marasi points that out. 

The Southerners see ALL metalborn as deities. I have a theory that this predates Kell's visit (think about it; occasionally someone goes through tremendous difficulty and returns with strange powers. Of COURSE they would think of these people as gods.) So Kelsier is just a very powerful God to the Southerners, but in and of itself that isn't especially special. Allik's quote indicates that to me.

What makes the Sovereign special beyond other gods is that A) he saved them and he united the different tribes under himself. He's their over king; the one person all the tribes follow. Allik and his people are clearly Germanic in inspiration; this wasn't unheard of among them. 

The Search for the Holy Grail is one of the Arthurian myths. A mythical weapon left behind and a king leaving this realm with the promise to return someday is another. And the Arthur of legend DID unify several disparate peoples, only for them to divide again on his (seeming?) death.

It also adds to the dichotomy of the two groups if my theory is correct. To the North Kelsier is THE major deity. He is known for tearing down a ruling class, and bringing down kings. To the South he is just a more powerful god, but he is their king and overlord. He united them and reformed their society as their ruler. I am VERY much looking forward to the theological upheavals on BOTH sides!!

I suspect one of those will be little more than footnotes. (Wayne.)

Wax will probably get a paragraph or two, for his part in Aradel becoming governor. Wax and Steris will probably be mentioned for helping in the initial meetings between North and South. As they seem to have stepped back now, it will likely be little else. Wax might be shoved onto a list of lawmen. They'll both be listed in the peerage.

Marasi is the wild card. If she ends up as a reformer she may end up the best known of the bunch.

These four aren't radically changing society; they are keeping the status quo which means that, while important, they are not going to be of much interest to anyone but historians focused on the time.

Tolkien wasn't just writing a fantasy; he was writing a mythology. The Silmarillion was written FIRST but the editor didn't want to publish it. And there is no 'magic' in Tolkien's world as we think of it. And Gandalf isn't actually a wizard.

Gandalf is a Maia, not human but an angel. Different Maia have different abilities. As a Maia of Nienna and Este, Gandalf tends to focus more on the internal. His powers are likely more subtle, as befits his status as the servant of Vala of mourning (Nienna) and healing (Este.) He is limited when dealing with mortals. The Balrog is ALSO a Maia, aka. a fallen fire angel. Against another of his kind Gandalf is not nearly as limited. He accepted this when he and the other Istari came to Endor. They had a good reason too; the last time the Ainu came to Middle Earth they destroyed a continent. He's also not the most powerful Maia (Sauron, for example, is FAR more powerful.) Not to mention that he cannot truly determine things; only men have that sort of freedom.

Not sure why you felt Gandalf would 'fix' everything; he wasn't anywhere NEAR Sam and Frodo. Everything else was a distraction for them. The eagles appear twice: Gandalf mentions their aiding him in a conversation, and again after the Ring has been destroyed.

As for Sanderson's rules; Next to NO magic in Tolkien's world. What Gandalf does isn't 'magic' exactly. It just looks like it. And even then it is almost never used. If magic is not used why explain? Teleportation, btw, doesn't exist. 'Magic' is very limited, which is why it isn't used, which is why it isn't explained. The Silmarillion, where it crops up more often does explain a lot more. But the Silmarillion, as published, is a synopsis so it doesn't explain as much as it should. The lack of explanation is intentional here, because it wasn't needed then and there. The Silmarillion isn't Tolkien's Secret History; it's his Hero of Ages. He wrote that story first, not knowing it wouldn't be published in his lifetime.

There is also the fact that Brandon writes novels. Tolkien wrote myths that can be read as novels. And Brandon doesn't explain everything at once either. It took three books to learn SOME of how and why allomancy works. 

There is exactly ONE confirmed instance of Deux ex Machina in LotR. (Gollum slipping into the lava.) I notice you avoided my first point; I heard a LOT about Gandalf, who is just a Maia. No comments on Eru, the actual God of the setting? 

I'd love to continue this, but it is WAY off topic, so PM me if you want to keep discussing this. (I'd change this to a PM, but my stupid device won't let me copy my post so I'm stuck.)

On 8/20/2016 at 0:47 AM, Djarskublar said:

Ah, but monotheistic fantasy just isn't as interesting. Either He/She/It picks a side, which sucks, or it doesn't actually do anything, which is pointless.

If It picks a side it's either the 'hero defeats God' trope which is usually shoddily done with lots of Douche ex Machina (pun intended), or the 'God chosen hero' which is just boringly predictable.

Polytheistic fantasy, on the other hand, is great! Try some Dragonlance, for example.

You have heard of the Lord of the Rings, right? Monotheistic fantasy with a supreme, overriding, omniscient, big G God. Yes, Eru Illuvatar certainly makes the books boring... 

Having a monotheistic universe doesn't have to be boring. It just has to be done well, which for some reason many authors find harder to do than writing a polytheistic one.

I actually think they tapped a Lerasium/Atium alloy, but we really can't say. Could you show me where the Southerners say that the Sovereign needed the Bands? My understanding was that they knew he'd made them, and that he said he left them there for himself, which they interpreted as a challenge. In fact it seemed to me the opposite: '“You must be very skilled,” Allik said. “More skilled than any who has lived among us. Or…” He chuckled. “Or you’d have to have all the powers, rather than adding yours to the medallion, then passing it to another to have it added to! If that were the case, you’d be a great god indeed. As powerful as the Sovereign.”

'“He did create one of these,” Waxillium said, rubbing the medallion with his thumb. “One with all of the abilities. A bracer, or a set of them, that granted all sixteen Allomantic abilities and all sixteen Feruchemical abilities.”'

Alik followed this up by explaining that the Sovereign left the Bands behind and told his priests to protect them until he returned. I didn't see any indication that the Sovereign needed the Bands, but I could easily have overlooked something. (Like not noticing that the Sovereign's statue's spike is in the right eye. That was my hubby's discovery.)

On a totally different topic; Does anyone else get a Once and Future King feel from the story of the Sovereign? (Legendary ruler said to return someday being the obvious one, but there is something about how the Southerners talk about the Sovereign that makes me think he's King Arthur to them, as opposed to how the northerners do.)