Kingsdaughter613

On 9/30/2016 at 6:05 PM, The True Survivor said:

Let's just take a moment to appreciate Brandon's pure AWESOMENESS in giving us these series so we can theorize like this. All this without killing off our favorite characters (well, except Elend, Vin, and Kelsier. Breeze survived, so that's okay).

The OP didn't. That's what is really strange.

It doesn't explain why you don't have the larger text after the newsletters though, because I have it in every ebook version of BoM just like the other books. The text shouldn't be different.

Or God's dominion over us as a king, which is usually where the concept crops up. If your right about it following more closely to the Jewish tradition it's worth noting that Kingship and parenthood are twinned concepts. That actually indicates to me that Aona and Skai played a very parent like role to the people of Sel.

On a similar note, I'm pretty sure Honor is very close to Rightousness as a Godly attribute and Endowment to Kindness (that one does not translate well from Hebrew.)

Ruin and Preservation strike me more as universal concepts than a particular Godly one. Cultivation currently feels more like a pagan deific concept, but it really depends on how it is interpreted. (It may actually be closer to Creation, as it pairs well with Ruin and Preservation. I suspect the three together would form a Creation Shard.) 

Autonomy fits two ways: as our ability to choose; and as God being the ultimate authority (i.e. No one commands God.) 

Odium feels like God's wrath or his role as punisher. (Actually, that would make Endowment a good compliment to Odium, as she would be the 'rewarder' to his 'punisher.' If Brandon ever visits NY I'll have to ask him that.)

this is getting really off topic though, so I'm going to stop now.

Kingship is actually a godly attribute in real life, which is where I was getting it from. The Jewish new year, which is next week, is actually all about that attribute. I believe that the at least some Shardic attributes are taken from RL Godly ones, though I could be wrong.

How about Majesty as a potential Shard name? It fits in more with the others.

That's what I meant. Typing on the iPhone tends to mess stuff up. However, there have been Scadrians on Nalthis too. (At least one anyway...)

@Spoolofwhool the annotations say that the priest IS lying about her not being able to have a child with Susebron and confirms that she can if I am remembering correctly. 

Why don't we all go check the annotations and then come back to discuss this? I believe they are on the website.

Considering how hard it can be for a cognitive shadow to communicate with the living I'd guess that, if you are correct, there are some MAJOR misunderstandings going on. Also some deliberate misinterpretations. 

I doubt the Skaze are loyal to Skai. Honorspren have that as their major atribute. Seons are devoted. Skaze seek to dominate which does not always lend itself to loyalty.

i also disagree with devotion and dominion becoming Unity. I think it more likely that they would form Kingship, which requires one to both dominate and be devoted. I think Unity is actually Adonalsium complete, as Unity can also mean wholeness or Completion. (As opposed to harmony, which is just disparate elements working together.) But that's just me.

The eye spike doesn't grant any important abilities per WoB. The possibility of it doing something else is still open I believe. (I need to find it again.) The feruchemy is a mystery. The above poster is probably right about the allomancy.

I do think he may have visited, considering the presence of Nalthian immigrants on Scadrial. However, the above post had nothing to do with Nalthis. It has more to do with some theories on how some figures in Real Life were deified. (Basically, did something awesome, now you are a god/ demigod. Or we will rewrite history to justify. (Looking at you Virgil.)) There is nothing inherently divine about these people, as opposed to Nalthis where the Returned actually are Splinters of a divinity.

Also, the point was that the concept predates Kel's arrival. He didn't set the system in place; it was already there.

I have a long list of questions I'd like answered, but there are a lot of spoilers...

I think it must be an issue with your download or device. I have the Fire and I have no problems with either the zoom function or the larger text versions of the newsletters. Actually, my zoom worked well enough for me to use the face of the person on SH's cover as a model for a drawing, which requires very good resolution.

The true power of Lerasium is its ability to rewrite ones SDNA. The default is a Mistborn. My guess is that Lerasium can steal spiritual aspects that other spikes can't. It could probably also rewrite the SDNA to create certain hemalurgic creatures that you can't get with any other metal. 

Hemalurgy has been hinted to be capable of much more this we know. It's the system we know least about. I'm fairly certain Atium spikes can do a lot more than we realize.

Jealous... Why do these signings never take place in New York?

Which is why they almost certainly don't. Some laws just don't work practically. It's very likely they don't enforce this one as the existence of the law makes people feel safe, while trying to enforce it would lead to people claiming discrimination. It just makes more sense to ignore the violation.

The issue with aluminum bullets is that aluminum creates a dead zone in a speed bubble. So the bullet never actually switches between time frames... What if you stuck the gun barrel through the edge of the bubble?

It's... Very likely that someone skimped on the construction. Aluminum is expensive and if they really coated the whole building... I just don't see how they could make a profit. That isn't even counting windows. While I doubt Scadrial has a proper building code yet, windows are a safety feature.

aluminum is an investiture sink. It doesn't just block emotional allomancy. It can clear unwanted investiture from a savant. It's not just immune to allomancy; the other systems don't work properly on it either.

interesting idea... If you fire an aluminum bullet from a gun of the same inside a time bubble would it fly true?

You should have the larger broadsheets though... I do.

With regards to the WoB; the question was what ability the spike gives Kelsier. I don't think it gives an ability as its primary function. I also don't think it's steel. It has changed the shape of his brain; I don't fell that's nothing important, even though that's a standard side effect.

Kelsier ascended for a longer time than Rashek. I suspect he learned a great deal more than he initially realized. Most of that knowledge would not be conscious but it would probably help in connecting dots. 

It's four, not three? Thanks for the clarification. I still doubt there would be more than two permanent ones though, either to leave a margin for error or so that he could have the leeway to add another if needed.

One spike. There is a pretty big difference between one and 19. With one he can't be controlled. With three he can be. So the most I'd give him is two.

Too many could also mess up his spirit web enough to alter his personality (which I doubt he'd like) and could possibly allow another Shard access to him.

 I doubt he had too many options with the one we know he has. I also suspect that it does not do what we think it does... because this is Brandon writing and Kelsier acting and nothing is ever simple with either. There is ALWAYS another secret.

I have a Kindle and it did give me the bigger version of the newsletter. I could also zoom in on the full page broadsheet. Not sure what's going on with yours...

Starting from the beginning, there is all the spear imagery. Then there is Marasi monologuing about how Kelsier will someday return. Then there was Alik's description of the Sovereign. THEN the whole temple turned out to be a con. Finally, there is the memory in the coppermind which tells us that Kelsier, at the very least, has copper feruchemy. And then there was the note about Secret History. These are just the ones I can recall off the top of my head. Going back to earlier books, Kell had lines in HoA. In AoL it is mentioned that he sometimes appears to his followers.

How he got Feruchemy is anyone's guess. My theory is that he got it the way the original Feruchemists did. I also think that involves tapping a Lerasium/Atium alloy and that Harmonium is that alloy. Obviously, that is just conjecture. I doubt it was with hemalurgy though; he doesn't strike me as the type to want to open himself to outside influence unduly. 

Vasher doesn't really change his appearance. He suppress his divine breath, but the appearance he takes on then does not appear to vary much between appearances. So his non-Returned from is likely how he views himself. When his Divine Breath is not suppressed he looks like a Returned, but Returned appearances have a lot to do with how OTHER people view them, as well as how they view themselves.

It also removes things you don't view as toxins, like alcohol. Wayne complains about this. There are cases where you would want medication to remain in the body, such as a sleeping pill, or anti-depressive. So gold healing could be problematic in those cases.

I believe the shapeshifting caused by healing is limited in scope. I also think it's actually quite hard to do.

It's more likely that you'd heal back to your view of yourself. So if an athlete gone a bit to seed still views himself as fully fit he'd probably heal back to his previous form. The question for me is if it goes the other way too. (Someone who has gained some muscle but sees themselves as weak losing fitness levels.) You'd have to change your view of yourself to alter appearance and I doubt that's that easy. 

There are also the recreational uses. And if the Scadrians are smart, once they meet the rest of the Cosmere they'll keep quiet about both emotional allomancy and aluminum as a block. It's just to useful a tool...

I think gold and illnesses depend on the root cause. So some would heal and some won't. 

I believe gold healing actually cleans out the system, so all the excess glucose etc. would be removed. If the damage to pancreas is also healed then the person would no longer have diabetes, but the factors that cause it may remain so they would still be at risk of getting it again later. Ditto with some forms of cancer that have genetic causes. And it just occurred to me that removing the mamaries as a preventive wouldn't work... Nor would many other elective surgeries! And a compounder who acts like Miles probably couldn't even get past the first incision.

I doubt gold healing would normally effect a cycle, except perhaps to to regulate them. What I meant is that taking a hormone to prevent ovulation isn't the normal way a body functions. Gold healing might restore the bodies natural rhythms and cause ovulation. Which, if you are using progestin, is probably not what you want!

Another question of the same vein: many medications actually are types of toxins. Assuming you can't heal a virus at all, would trying remove the medication from the body?

I don't know how babies count spiritually. If they are part of the mother then healing should heal the infant. Since an ectopic pregnancy is just in the wrong place I'd think the healing would simply move the baby back to where it should be. In a non-viable pregnancy it would probably speed along the natural abortion process. A medical abortion would probably be 'fixed' in this scenario, if healing occurred to soon. If the baby is NOT considered part of the mother then healing during pregnancy would either not effect or eliminate the fetus.

I am really curious about this, largely because women's health is seldom dealt with realistically in fiction. It's either ignored, or used for laughs or drama. Since the next trilogy is supposed to have a female hacker as a major character in an 80s setting, I really want to see this dealt with. Failing that I'd at least like to get some answers...