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8 hours ago, Topgoon said:

4th ideal: murdering her mother and letting her father take the blame - there are theories that Shallan actually had Shardplate in OB during the Battle of Thaylen Field

If this is 4th, what are you calling 2nd and 3rd?

4 hours ago, valoglav said:

Hi everyone, I sign up because I have an idea forming in my mind, but I'm not sure if there are some facts that would prove me wrong.

Is there possibility that Testament is the Helarans blade? If he did something to influence Shallan to break her oaths, so he could get the blade? 

Welcome!

I can’t think of anything that directly invalidates this theory. It seems out of character for the Helaran we know, but we mostly know him through Shallan.

Also, the sword was lesser known (as Shallan wanted to sketch it for her inventory of blades). This could mean it was new, or it could mean it was known but not in detail, or she could have just been lying about that to have a reason to get close to Amaram.

Mai from my knowledge it *could* be, but I wouldn’t put my money on it.

On 11/19/2020 at 10:29 PM, ftl said:

By the way, while Shallan's truths are now complete (I think), we still don't have the full picture of Shallan's childhood.

We’ve also got a whole new set of truths to be revealed.

My timeline of events:

1. Shallan bonds Testament, up to the third ideal.

2. Shallan kills her mother (aside: who we still don’t know the name of?), and breaks the bond with Testament.

3. Shallan starts repressing her memories and fracturing (i.e. lying to herself), which attracts Pattern, and she starts over from the beginning.

I am glad this was explained, because it never made sense to me that Shallan had a blade at a young age (which we assumed was 3rd ideal) then said for sure at least one more ideal (or maybe 2) because she could no longer repress the memories, but didn’t seem to be higher than the 3rd ideal still.

So this brings me to the fact that we don’t have any other light weaver oaths we’ve seen to compare to hers. It’s hard to tell which of her statements were oaths (some of them).

1. Shared
2. I am frightened (something she was suppressing from herself) or I killed my father (something she wasn’t hiding from)
3. I killed my mother (for sure an oath)
4. I killed my first spren (idk, did she say the 4th ideal? Or is this just helping with her fracturing?)

I guess this veered off topic, but it sounds like Shallan believes she’s double bonded now and can at least summon Testament as a “dead” shard blade.

Chapter 94

3 hours ago, Kingsdaughter613 said:

Well, that’s pretty much word for word Kal’s oath, so...

So it is, so it is. I’m sure it was turning around in the back of my head from speculation before. But for some reason Teft’s PoV really cemented it for me. Chapter 103. I had been expecting a Windrunner other than Kaladin to say the 4th oath before him, and it seemed like Teft was almost there.

On to something I haven’t seen mentioned (although admittedly I skipped over some of the longer entries here): The rumors are actually true! Jasnah and Wit *are* intimate. I honestly thought the rumors would be just that, so was completely surprised by it.

It was also odd to me with Shallan and Adolin being intimate (even more directly than Jit). It shouldn’t have been, since they’re married, but it was still odd to me when they were taking in bed.

I have not actually finished this book, but I’m in Part 5 now and wanted to write this down in public, because I finally have a theory about it. I think the Windrunner 4th ideal is along the lines of “I will accept that I cannot protect everyone.” I do think I remember this being theorized before, but it never really stuck with me until right now (as I read Teft’s first POV in Part 5). Welp, 10% to go (probably less, because of the Ars Arcanum). See you on the flip side.

Edit a few weeks later: apparently this was the prevailing theory for the 4th oath and I either actually never came across it (unlikely) or I did a real good job of forgetting about while I read (more likely).

11 hours ago, DeployParachute said:

Why does it seem, first in OB, and now I'm RoW, that so many revelations being delivered that should feel big, seem to be landing with an underwhelming thump.

I have felt the same way, specifically in Oathbringer when Elhokar died. Because I remembered hearing that *someone* was going to die. The scene was great, but I think it would have been *even better* if I hadn’t been looking for someone to die.

I honestly blame my time on these forums and listening to a bunch of cosmere podcasts for the lack of surprise.

But to be fair, there are plenty of things that surprised me in this book (and the last). Hobber’s healing, Dabbid’s chapter, PoVs from an Unmade and Chiri-Chiri in the interludes. I am still enjoying the whole ride.

7 hours ago, Kaid said:

For some reason I thought of the reference to "El" as Elend but I can't remember if anyone ever actually refers to him as El.

I can answer this from my memory of Mistborn

Not finished part 3 yet, so haven’t read any posts. But man, at the end of chapter 53 I misread a line and my breath caught with a “WHAAAT!?”

What I thought I read

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...particularly with you baring the child of traitors.

What it actually said

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...particularly with you being the child of traitors.

For half a second, I thought Venli had somehow been impregnated by a human (even though I see now the traitors in context are the other Listeners).

On 11/10/2020 at 10:39 PM, Matrim's Dice said:

Hehehhehhehehhehehehehehehehhehhehehehehehheheheheheheehehehheehhehehehehhehehehe

I feel like I'm missing something about this side talk here...

@Karger @Czernobog

I completely did not read the first half of that post, and so missed the context of talking about a Windrunner's plate. My mistake (from trying to catch up on the thread and only skimming some posts).

Half were brought with her / gotten from Rysn's chair.

The other half could have come from perfect gemstones, which do not loose Stormlight. It could also be from something more artificial, like the "crystal ball" from the lighthouse in Shadesmar.

18 hours ago, Nameless said:

Why is that a Dawnshard spoiler?

Because I'm paranoid and (for sure lite Dawnshard spoiler)

1 hour ago, Czernobog said:

It would be exceedingly strange for a core component of the magic system to interfere with itself, or somehow lessen its effects, especially when it is granted only with higher progression. 

I believe we saw that "live" plate also interfered with Lashing, via Dalinar's flashback when he brought in Fen (i.e. when Dalinar was the female Surgebinder).

Chapter 34, Page 352 of Oathbringer

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You haven't summoned your armor yet; you had to dismiss it so I could Lash you.

4 hours ago, Ixthos said:

I'm kind of hoping the Stump is the Truthwatcher they send.

She *is* a Truthwatcher that we know, and Sanderson does like to bring back people we know many times. I could see it.

3 hours ago, Child of Hodor said:

I assume Hoid goes with Jasnah to Emuli. 

I assume Hoid goes where ever he wants  (or at least where ever he *needs* to be)

2 hours ago, RamonaTehradin said:

Everyone is throwing permutation-combination of words for Kaladin's 4th Ideal. 

Sandertwist- He's not gonna swear it. 

Sandertwist the 2nd (and minor Dawnshard spoiler, I guess?)

4 hours ago, broccoli said:

PD: I don't know if you are from Argentina, but I like your name 

I am not. My name is an anagram of Vigor, which is a Puritanical name from another book series I've read. At the time of creation, I did do a few searches to see if it meant anything in other languages (than English), but I didn't get any hits. Do you know of a meaning to it?

20 minutes ago, HipsterStick said:

-I think Sanderson definitely missed a chance to have Lift go with the envoy... if only for the potential humor alone.

As soon as they started eliminating people and they came to Edgedancers, I really wanted Lift to go. Who knows, maybe she'll sneak off an end up going anyway

6 minutes ago, RamonaTehradin said:

Then, Dalinar and Jasnah and their team marching to Emul. Trap? What is Stormfather going to talk to honorspren? His involvement would be very essential. 

Isn't this exactly what the Fused wanted, to get the Bondsmith and Elsecaller out of the tower? It definitely makes you think that Taravangian is still working directly with the Fused. But it also doesn't rule out the Mink, given that he's the one who persuaded them to take the fight there. I could see a plotline where Dalinar and compnay are so focused on Taravangian, that they overlook a betrayal from someone else (e.g. the Mink).

Edit: in the time it took to write this post, there were a few replies and as I was going through them I thought "Oh, someone else wanted Lift to go on the envoy....oh, that someone is me. The post I just wrote..."

Just popping in to say that drawing of Chana really looks like Sophie Turner to me. Carry on.

On 11/6/2020 at 9:51 PM, Subvisual Haze said:

Still hoping for a Gurren Lagann ending.  All the Radiants combine with Urithiru to form a giant mech, spout some nonsense about the power of friendship and determination and fly into space to punch Odium in the face.

Oddly, Skyward is what gave me Gurren Lagann vibes, but per WoB, he hasn't seen the anime (as of two years ago).

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Govir

An actual Skyward question: Were you inspired by the anime Gurren Lagann at all for this? That anime starts out with humans living in caves and being attacked in order to keep their population down. The cave dwelling and constant attacks is the only connection so far that I see (the rest of the anime gets pretty crazy and I don't think you'd go that far).

Brandon Sanderson

I'm afraid I haven't seen Gurren Lagann, which is probably an oversight--a lot of people talk about it being great.

Skyward Pre-Release AMA (Oct. 19, 2018)

 

4 hours ago, Child of Hodor said:

We got a lot Rock background including that he bonded a spren that made him stronger.

I don't think he bonded them, so much as they just assisted him. Similar to how the luckspren here are not bonded to either Cord or Rysn, but they lit the way and made them swim faster.

My own reaction, I was disappointed...that we didn't get more of Yalb! I wish he was placed as part of Rysn's crew, but maybe that would have been too much jokester with the Lopen going along as well.

2 minutes ago, Nameless said:

Because they believed that Shallan was an Elsecaller, not a Lightweaver.

Oh ok. I was thinking Ico gave them the information (and assumedly know Pattern is a cryptic), but it does seem more like they were gleaning information based on the hydrator and half eaten food.

I'm rereading Oathbringer (actually, relistening) , and just got to chapter 102: Celebrant. Towards the end of it, a Fused is talking to the dock registrar and says there were "2-3 humans, one honorspren, and one inkspren."

Do we know why the Fused thinks there was an inkspren and not a cryptic?

On 11/3/2020 at 6:35 AM, Shardsplinter said:

I just believe it should be referenced in a more explicit way

I don't think this is going to happen. In that I think the best we're going to get is Shallan commenting on women (possibly when in another persona). My rational on this is because I doubt people on Roshar have a term for Bisexuality given that never once was the term Gay used when talking about Drehy and Dru.

I could maybe see Shallan crushing on some woman, and Adolin getting a bit jealous such that Shallan has to say something like "Adolin, I can find other women *attractive* without wanting to drop everything to pursue them." Which maybe if Sanderson wrote it, it wouldn't sound as forced to me.

Lastly, Sanderson is an author that gives a lot of information to his readers outside of the books. It sounds like he may have been able to weave in Jasnah's sexual orientation explicitly into the narrative, and just wanted to quell some comments a bit early by revealing it in this annotation. Similarly, he may not have been able to weave in Shallan's sexual orientation explicitly, and so wanted to confirm it in this same annotation. Given Sanderson's track record, that is basically as good as canon from the books.

1 hour ago, Honorless said:

so Oathgates do seem to operate via the Spiritual Realm

How do we know this?
 

1 hour ago, Valigus said:

4. on top of that kaladin could have potentially managed to get married to laral and she is far far above him in social standing, even with kal being high ranking and their fathers being friends it’s still a bit too big of a gap without other reasons.

Wasn't there talk of Kaladin having to go to war to gain a shardblade (obviously not by Lirin) and therefore *become* lighteyes in order to marry Laral? At the very least Laral thought that at one point.

5 minutes ago, Nathrangking said:

There are 3 truthwatchers. Hmm.. did they get stump to return with them?

Obviously we've "been away" for a year, but do we know who the 3 are? Are they still counting Renarin, with his modified spren? I can only think of Renarin, Stump, and Ym (who is obviously not one of the 3) as people we've seen as Truthwatchers in the past.

47 minutes ago, Subvisual Haze said:

Based on the new endpage artwork I think we have to entertain the possibility that she is descended from the Herald Chana.

I've been getting this gut feeling in general (that she's somehow related to the Heralds). But we do know that her stated parents are her biological parents, so would it have been farther back?

Unless her mother was Chana...and that's why we don't know her name. Dun dun DUN! (this is a joke)

On 10/29/2020 at 7:00 PM, beewall said:

[Flute Riff]

This implies Hoid is singing, and it sounds exactly like something he'd do.