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14 hours ago, Storyspren said:

Just popping into to say rumors about Wit and Jasnah better be false. If she’s hereto I’m going to be pretty upset.

I don't think the rumors are true (as in like, 99% sure they aren't true), but even if they are that wouldn't preclude Jasnah being bisexual or pansexual (or even asexual, as someone who is asexual can still be in a relationship with someone else). [I am assuming "hereto" is supposed to be "heterosexual" in this case]

This came up in the in the chapter discussion too. I'll summarize some theories / what people want to be true. They basically run the whole gambit of possibility.

1. It's totally true, and canon.
2. They're Friends with Benefits 
3. They're just talking Cosmere stuff, and Jasnah is letting the rumors go in order to dissuade anyone else from trying to court her
4. They're just talking Cosmere stuff, and they don't care about the rumors

1 hour ago, Karger said:

How do we know?  Don't misunderstand I hope they are not but until someone does us the favor of asking we have absolutely no way of knowing.

Jasnah probably wants to make sure the army is loyal to her personally.  It is easily the most important political force in alethkar to this day.  Also being a general is a good way to make absolutely certain that she is taken seriously as queen when participating in the "masculine" field of politics.

Ok, fine. We don't "know", but it is *highly* unlikely. Hoid has said in the past (of Shallan) "She is far too young for me." That still holds true for Jasnah.

48 minutes ago, Pagerunner said:

Faith of the Fallen

I did not expect to see a Terry Goodkind reference here, but Faith of the Fallen is probably my favorite of that terrible series.

35 minutes ago, Karger said:

This is obviously the most important take away from the chapter.  It will probably become one of the most hotly debated topics until we get a strait answer but.  Are Jasnah and Hoid a thing?

I mean, we know they're not, but I can definitely see how the in-world characters could think that's what's going on.

Oh no! You've lost your Wit(s)!

(I have no insight as to where Wit is, just here to tell the immediate joke that came to mind)

37 minutes ago, Erklitt said:

I don't know whether a kandra man can father a child with a human woman, that sounds unlikely. And I believe him about his wife and son. On the other hand, the son could be from a previous marriage of the wife, or adopted... 

I really thought Brandon had confirmed this was possible, but the most relevant WoB I could find was from 2016 and was a RAFO. Also, Mistborn spoilers I guess (no real spoilers, but it's talking about Mistborn stuff and this is the Stormlight forums)?

23 hours ago, Karger said:

It is an interlude.  The interludes will not take place for quite a few chapters as they must come after part one.  In OB that was after 28 chapters and we are still only at 15.  Assuming the same distribution between our five PoVs Kaladin will still have another three or four chapters to try other options.

I believe that Chapter 19 concludes part 1. I don't have the sources, but I remember either Peter or Brandon saying both of these "We will get 19 preview chapters" and "We will get all of Part 1 as previews"

32 minutes ago, Algafix said:

C'mon Brandon, there should be sixteen floors not eighteen :(((

Of note, 18 is twice 9 (aka another important number in Roshar). Or 18 could somehow be important to Cultivation, with 10 then being important just to Honor and 9 being important to Odium.

On 9/9/2020 at 9:25 PM, Commander Azure said:

That would be a great idea IF Brandon hadn't said that there's no way to travel back in time.

On 9/30/2020 at 0:15 PM, mathwin said:

Last one should be something unjustified, like killing the new baby because it was annoying or took attention away.

This would also explain why Shallan's mother would be willing to kill her own child.  If, say, six-year-old Shallan soulcast the baby into crystal one day, no one would have any clue what had happened.  Shallan would at best tell wild stories about a sea of beads and a cold sun that would make no sense to anyone.  Then a few years later, Shallan's mother learns from her Skybreaker that Shallan had actually done it - that might be enough.

Ok, you've convinced me (that this would be worse than killing your parents).

However, I would think that her brothers would at least remember a younger child.

Just now, LuckyJim said:

Maybe, but it probably has more to do with the fact that "voidbringer" was traditionally a word used to describe the humans by the singers.

More so, Voidbringer was used by the humans to refer to monsters, which they then assumed were the Parshendi (or at least what the Parshendi could become). But as of Oathbringer, they found out that humans were actually the Voidbringers.

So I assume they don't use Voidbringer anymore, because they know it actually refers to humans.

I'm only at the first "break", but Je-sus.

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“Do you hate me?” Szeth asked

“Yes,” Navani said.

“Good,” Szeth said, the word echoing in the small chamber. “Good. Thank you.”

1 minute ago, Nathrangking said:

 Nightblood/ Szeth makes her ill. This is to be expected. He thanks her for hating him!!

I think this goes beyond him being the assassin.

Warbreaker spoiler

On 10/14/2020 at 1:05 AM, Experience said:

I'm not sure if it's been brought up yet, but do rhythms have anything to do with musicspren and the ryshadium?

18 hours ago, Harrycrapper said:

It has not been brought up that I could see, and I was wondering the same thing. Yea, there's something going on there and I don't have the faintest clue how the Rhythms, Musicspren, and Ryshadium are related, but it seems that they are. 

My personal opinion is that the Rhythms are inherent to Roshar (the planet) and that the Ryshadium can hear them. And because they can hear the Rythms, they "keep cadence" with them when running wild, which attracts Music spren, which then "bond" (in a non-Nahal bond way) to the horses much like mandra "bond" to Great Shells.

10 minutes ago, Valigus said:

I think it would be very weird to have tanavast be kaladin when kaladin is becoming more cosmere aware I feel like it’s more likely for him to become a world hopper, I do though like the idea of honor being split amongst the 10 heads of the orders.

I don't see why this would be weird. I think ascending to a Shard is a very Cosmere aware thing to do.

7 minutes ago, DeployParachute said:

Szeth's imprisoned, huh? Missed this on the first read. Wonder if he is there voluntarily or not. Looking forward to some of the past year being revealed.

This was answered in a WoB, if you want to know, look in the spoiler.

1 hour ago, the_archduke said:

Is it just me or is rlain being set up to be a different order than wind runner?  Willshaper when he meets back up with venli?

Rlain seems to be overshadowed in this thread, but I was thinking that his denial of the honorspren (and for the specific reasons he stated) could actually *help* the honorspren wanting to bind to him. It sounds like Rlain wants to become a Windrunner, but no spren were willing.

I am open to him becoming any order though.

I do wonder though...what was Rlain up to both in the last year and slightly before that (i.e. Oathbringer)? Last I remember of him he went off on his own to do something.

17 hours ago, Karger said:

I personally think that logicspren might be excellent for fine tuning.  Humans have petty good understanding of mathamatics and if logicspren can communicate this in terms other spren understand you might be able to alter the behavior of spren significantly.

So the logicspren are the compilers then?

19 hours ago, IcaroRibeiro said:

Doesn't look like any other kind of surge though. Surges humans and singers uses aren't exactly the same, his inability of transport physical objects other than himself doesn't mean he was not performing transportation

I still argue they are using Division. The idea being they are destroying a large portion of their body in order to eject from it, then traveling as a spren and reforming using Voidlight healing. My reasoning for this is because Kaladin still sees the creature while it is "teleporting".

18 hours ago, Nameless said:

Shallan is already of the fourth ideal, I am absolutely certain that I saw a WoB saying that she was one ahead of Kaladin at the end of Words of Radiance. I can't seem to find it now though.

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tganchero (paraphrased)

How many oaths can a Radiant swear?

Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

There is an upper-limit/threshold to the number of oaths a Radiant may make. By the end of WoR, Shallan was a step higher than Kaladin.

Words of Radiance Lexington signing (March 18, 2014)

 

18 hours ago, Experience said:

Does it change it to stormlight? Or just raw investiture that she uses with her bond?

Does a Larkin (or whatever Nale used) eat stormlight, or investiture? We see Lift get sucked of power in Edgedancer.

15 hours ago, Rainier said:

He killed at least one Thunderclast.

We're also getting Vasher, either next week, or in two other preview chapters. I'm hoping when we see him it's because of Nightblood.

How do you know we're getting Vasher in the preview chapters?

Could it be that the logicspren provide the (capital I) Intent in the fabrial science, or are at least drawn to the Intent of the artifabrian? Combining the pieces isn't enough, but *wanting* to combine the pieces is essential. Perhaps by attracting logicspren, the artifabrian knows they are on the right path / knows that the fabrial is finished.

48 minutes ago, Black_Shoshan said:

side note: are we ever going to get Brightness Davar's first name?

There was a post (here or on Reddit, I can’t remember), about how many characters have unnamed mothers. I know Brandon has seen it, but I’m not sure if it was before he finished RoW. That may affect him to try and include more mother’s names.

So random thought I had: what if Restares is Helaran in some fashion (e.g. fully alive or a cognitive shadow after dying)?

This is due to the combination of RoW saying Shallan would know what to do when she found Restares and someone saying they think Helaran could still be alive.

It’s a crackpot theory, I know, but I would be ok with it.

3 minutes ago, Gilphon said:

As a nitpick, the "raw" investiture used on Sel is called the Dor, not AonDor. AonDor is a generalized term for what happens when you combine the Dor with an Aon. 

Good to know. It's been a long time since I've read

I also just realized a lot of that post probably should have been behind spoiler tags...so I'm going to try and fix it.

6 minutes ago, Quantus said:

For what it's worth, I think there is occasionally another required element, a Catalyst needed when the Investiture is not already present in the Physical Realm.  For Allomancy this is the energy/Investment of the Metal that gets literally annihilated as it creates the Conduit to Preservation.  For Awakening I believe this is the innate Investiture present in "Vibrant" things, things that resonate cognitively more than their physical properties alone account for (ie the cognitive difference that turns junk into Art), which is needed to move the breaths from the Spiritual Realm where they exist when held by a person to the Physical Realm when it is Invested in an object for storage or Awakening.    

I'm not opposed to this, as my theory definitely didn't have the whole picture. More of a general very basic structure of possible pieces.

On 9/22/2020 at 7:33 PM, Pagerunner said:

We also do have conjoiners/reversers, but I don't think those are a different type, since Navani's list of metals appears to have reached its end. If they had another metal for conjoiners, she'd include it in the list, so that makes me think conjoiners use the same metal as one of the other kinds of fabrials. I'd guess they are rioters of some sort.

It is my thought that conjoiners/reversers don't use a cage. They get their effect from the split gemstone and some kind of quantum entanglement type mechanic.

I also believe the following:

1. I think you start with "raw" investiture somehow which can come from one of the shards. This doesn't do much on it's own, although it does do some stuff (as seen by Stormlight).
2. You pass the "raw" investiture through structures to give it shapes, which dictate a change in usage. This step can be done multiple times.
3. You get a result.

Some throughput examples.

• Stormlight (1) -> Flame Spren (2) -> Pewter (2) -> Generates Heat (3)
• Stormlight (1) -> Heliodor* (2) -> Bronze (2) -> Detects People (3)

Mistborn

Elantris

1 hour ago, Potus said:

For a brief moment when Adolin mentioned that Dakhnah was a scribe for her father, I thought Kal would look over and see Tarah. I don't recall him actually looking over so there may still be a chance! Though one would think he would know her last name 

I really thought it was going to be Tarah before they gave the name, and I did think we'd at least see Tarah in the bar (maybe in Dakhnah's group). But I'm ok with not seeing her as well.

I enjoyed it, but still think it was kind of meh.

1. My first thought was that it started off similar to Snapshot and a bit of Altered Carbon (the show, haven't read the books) thrown in.

2. I don't like the ending, because it felt tropey without saying anything new. "Two versions, one must die, but who survives?" I think it would have been much more interesting if both survived (although, with the structure of the plot, the original has to die for the PR to live).

I guess my overall boiled down reaction is that it was entertaining, but not unexpected. All the pieces are things I've seen before, and it's missing the way Sanderson can subvert expectations.

8 hours ago, GudThymes said:

I've seen elsewhere on the shard that that epigraph was a typo and was supposed to be pewter and tin (I think).

I’ve been championing this theory, but afaik it is still just a theory. It’s technically possible, but even I will admit it’s unlikely. We won’t know until the book actually comes out, or we get an official word from Brandon’s camp.