Eagle of the Forest Path

Granted, you become Brandon Sanderson. Your curse is hemorrhoids. I wish for a pet chull.

I respect your beliefs and ask you to respect me disagreeing with them. We know that TLR had the ability to copper compound, we don't know whether he used it, it could be as uncomfortable as allo-gold for all we know (if it's cognitive data retrieval). I really wish people would stop bringing up the 'perfect memory' bit. Just regular feru-copper would explain the appearance of perfect recall, especially to a society that has no knowledge of the existence of feruchemy, it's also never confirmed that TLR actually has perfect recall. If no known copper compounders existed, how would we have heard about it? If copper compounding is more esoteric than reinforcing memories, it is also likely that the ability is misunderstood (especially given its probable rarity). Remember that the Terris don't even understand all of the base feruchemic abilities (i.e. aluminum and nicrosil). I said 'not interesting', I never claimed it couldn't be useful. From a storytelling standpoint I just don't see much difference between having a memory permanently stuck in your brain and a memory that can be retrieved at any time from a coppermind. Also, if you squash every written work known to man into a single person's head, his brain would likely explode.

I'm not changing the nature of the attribute, I'm expanding upon it. Compounding aside, the source of a feruchemical attribute is internal. What is a memory, other than an internal bit of knowledge? So without compounding all the knowledge a feruchemist could store is memories. With compounding, you remove the need for the attribute to be sourced internally, opening the door for knowledge other than memories to be retrieved. Again, no proof, but you can see where I based my assumptions?

That's very clearly explained, thank you. Also thank you for pointing out Ruin changing coppermind contents, I'd forgotten about that. I do have to contradict you on some things, however. In the case of tinminds the senses stored are sufficiently different that they cannot be stored in the same tinmind, whereas different memories can be stored in a single coppermind without any difficulty at all. This indicates IMO that senses are easier to single out than memories are. I wasn't suggesting that compounding is filtered through the use of allomancy (well... per definition, compounding can't work without the use of allomancy, but you know what I mean). I was trying to illustrate that the standard allomantic powers can (in several cases) be split into multiple components. (minor note: IMO it's not good practice to use god-metals in theorising about general principles, since they tend to work in different ways) I didn't say it was random, I said it might be. Also random can have multiple... gradations. Thanks to you I remembered that the shards could in fact access copperminds, so let's say that copper compounding releases the memories contained in the coppermind to begin with. As you say, there will be power left over. Possibly, the extra power will go towards placing memories in your brain that are contained in copperminds other than the one you burned. (which copperminds is determined randomly in case there isn't enough power to release the info in all of them) Alternatively, the power might travel along the spiritual connections you have with other people and retrieve some of their memories (in which case the specific connection(s) might be determined randomly) Maybe it's preferential selection according to physical proximity. You get memories contained in the cognitive aspects of nearby objects. Could be used for retrieving info out of a stolen coppermind, for instance (if you haven't got a trueself available). I can probably think of several more sources of memories for use in compounding, given some time and motivation. I basically just believe that the filter that determines the effect in copper compounding doesn't say 'specific memory A', but just 'memory' (or 'knowledge'). And while I must admit that it is possible that copper compounding will release a clearer/more intent/deeply engraved/whatever other adjective people have used version of the memory, IMO that's just not interesting enough. I choose to believe that when mr. Sanderson writes a copper compounder, he will do it in a way that wows everyone.

Ookaaay... so Ruin has non-sexual destructiongasms, moving on... I think it's important here to separate Ruin-as-Ati and Ruin-the-Shard. Ati used to be a kind man who got warped by his Shard's intent, the final result might have be evil, but neither of the components were evil in and of themselves. In Odium's case on the other hand, even if we assume that Odium-the-Shard isn't inherently evil (which I don't, by the way), it's pretty clear from 'the letter' that Odium-as-Rayse was evil, even before picking up the Shard. According to Nightbloods definition (evil people are the ones who would want to use Nightblood to kill or for some other selfish purpose), both Ruin and Odium would probably count as evil, since I doubt either could resist the temptation of the destruction/chaos Nightblood's abilities offer.

1. Could go a lot of ways, might just be random. 2. What about tin? I assume you're talking about feru-tin only storing one sense, so compounding only releases that particular sense instead of all of them? I don't see a problem. When compounding, the feruchemical charge determines the effect. When you burn a sight tinmind, it gives the instruction "enhance sight", which Preservation already knows how to do from allo-tin. For clarification purposes, let's look at feru-gold. Burning a goldmind only releases healing ability. The only allomantic metal that naturally has that capability would be pewter. But gold compounding does not grant all of the other things pewter enhances (i.e. strength, speed, balance, endurance). So we know that allomantic powers can be divided into smaller components. The difference with copper is that the filter, as you put it, would be to "release memory A", according to your theory. The power of preservation (unless it is a whole lot more omniscient than I'd always assumed) should not have any knowledge of memory A. If what I believe about the mechanics of feruchemy is correct (I'll admit I have no proof, but I'm kind of obligated to work assuming my own theories are correct, aren't I?), then the spiritual-based Preservation would not be able to easily access the cognitive-based stored memory. Mr. Sanderson (usually) makes his magic follow scientific rules, so the selection of the released memories probably works following the principle of least effort (or possibly least action). Instead of expending a lot of energy accessing a coppermind (it would have to break through the 'metalmind identity lock') , it would be easier to select other, more accessible memories. Which memories specifically will have to be determined by the author (as I said up top, I think there are a lot of options).

Thread kind of derailed there for a bit. I'll try to get back on track. I don't think you get any of the health you originally put it. When burning a goldmind the feruchemical charge tells the power of Preservation "healing is what I want" and Preservation's power complies. There is, as far as I know, no mention of the originally stored health being released as well, all of the attribute comes from Preservation when compounding. If this holds true for copper compounding* the memories/knowledge gained would have no relation to the memories the feruchemist originally stored in his coppermind. Seeing that the power of Preservation is 'stored' in the Spiritual realm, that is where the received knowledge should come from IMO. (wild theory: since used investiture eventually returns to its source, maybe a copper compounder gains memories of when that particular bit of investiture was last used, getting random flashes from other allomancers using their powers) *But copper feruchemy is already weird and different from other metalminds on so many levels you can't conclusively say that it will (hold true). There's the whole discrete/numeric thing. Memories seem to be stored and tapped instantaneously instead of over a period. Copper does not 'reset to a baseline' after storing (after you store health, you don't remain ill) probably more, but these are the obvious ones to me.

I think you mean "rusting" shard.

I can just picture his expression when forced to wear a red nose and felt (the material, not the verb, nor the character) antlers.

On a related note: If a Seeker went to Roshar, would burning Bronze allow detecting the Listener Rhythms?

We have confirmation! The God Beyond is actually the Flying Spaghetti Monster! (Link for people who have been living in a cave for the last decade)

So it comes down to intergalactic, planetary?

You get a collapsing universe where it's always 5:02 PM and Area 51 is at the Pyramid of Gizeh. edit: oh, and there are regular pterodactyls in London parks *inserts Winston Churchill*

Zane spiked himself because he heard voices in his head.

At the start of the text you were using italics to mark your character's thoughts, switching to brackets suddenly is inconsistent and IMO it looks a bit sloppy. The story itself seems promising. (But please, please, please get rid of the Comic sans?) Edit: I also suggest not wasting time with dropcaps (big capital at the start) or other layout stuff, just focus on the story itself at first, the design is the last step.

That's because steel pushes out in a straight line from a single point on Wax's body. If the bullets aren't traveling directly towards Wax's center of gravity, it's impossible to push them back along their original trajectory.

Actually, Preservation changed the allomantic table when he imprisoned Ruin to include Atium and Malatium. That can be taken multiple ways, but the way I read it is that during the Final Empire, cadmium and bendalloy weren't allomantic metals, and they only reappeared after the Final Ascension (when Sazed changed back the table). So the people that would have been Sliders and Pulsers became Atium and Malatium mistings instead. I also really doubt that Preservation had any control over who snapped into what sort of misting.

The vending machine spikes you with feruchemic bendalloy. *inserts Maneki-Neko* edit for link about maneki-neko

Aons with cognitive effect, how about: and Note that Aon Omi requires sincere affection from the Elantrian, another type of spiritual connection (possibly), to work.

The information about the traits stolen by different metals mostly comes from the Ars Arcanum, right? Doesn't that mean that it is not necessarily a definitive table? Khriss could only have access to information about Hemalurgy on Scadrial, without specifics on how Hemalurgy functions elsewhere. So where the table says 'steals feruchemical cognitive powers', that could actually mean 'steals end-neutral cognitive powers'. 'Steals allomantic physical powers' could actually mean 'steals end-positive physical powers'. If so, the metals that steal allomantic traits could also steal surgebindings, for instance. The metals that steal feruchemical traits could maybe steal benefits gained from the heightenings on Nalthis (since that's the only other end-neutral system we've seen) This is just a theory though. On another note, there are still 5 non-god allomantic metals of which we don't know what they steal (though one of them probably steals something allomantic). Those could be the metals that steal non-Scadrian magics.

You get a potato peeler that's pretending to be a stick. *inserts a raisin I found in my pants pocket that might actually be rabbit droppings*

It's also because preservation needed to give a clue to people with the number 16. 16% of people got mistsick and 1/16 of those were mistfallen. If the mists snapped people into Mistborn as well the percentages would have been off. (17 just isn't as meaningful, it appears)

Unlikely on both counts.

I thought maybe cut in half?

That was the map I was referring to. Didn't know that was Thaylen script, is that mentioned anywhere?