Shaukan-son-Hasweth

On 8.3.2021 at 11:34 AM, Ixthos said:

It's important to remember that everyone is flawed and has biases. Jasnah is one of the smartest characters in the entire Cosmere, knowledgeable and powerful, skilled in many areas and committed to saving her people. But she also is a human, and despite what we like to believe none of us are entirely reasonable, even when - or especially when - we think we are. Visual arts aren't useful for her quest, therefore they have no value at all - how many times have we heard that sentiment against things we hold as essential and important? How many things now held to be indispensable in the modern world were dismissed by intelligent people in the past as being less than useless?

This is exactly what I like about this.

When people critique Jansahs caracter they often argue that she is to perfect and to flawless. That she is written as just to resonable, and feels out of place.

I never understood that. because scenes like this show clearly where her flaws are. And the kind of flaws she has and how they are expressed is in my opinion done really well. To this day she is my favorite character.

Isn't it a little weird how Jasnah will dismiss the visiual arts as frivolous and useless during Shallans application.
As Shallan later demonstrates in a world without cameras, beeing good at drawing can be very important for science.
Just a few senteces before she asks Shallan, if she's able to sing properly.

This flawed reasoning leads me to believe that she wasn't beeing reasonably demanding but just a little grouchy that day.

Do we know what language they speak in the books?

I'd assume that kandras would speak all languages and dialects known to them in that time. After all they have a huge livespan and imitating others is literally their purpose. Even the first generation should have learned this. They had a millenium to practice.

Some time ago is was out with a couple who are freinds of mine.
The guy forgot his glasses at home. So for the entire evening had to read stuff for him from the menu at the restaurant to messages on his phone.
One time when we were outside and she removed her right glove to use his phone all I could think was " If the left sleeve was a little longer you two would be a respectable lighteyed vorin couple".

But they wouldn't get it. So I decided to share it here. No matter how unecessary it may be.

What are your secret cosmere moments?

 

I've seen this mulitble times now. And i giggle every single time.

What gets me is that this girl could easily pass as alethi/Vorin

I just finished Rythm of war. And I liked it quite a lot. Some scenes hit deeper than anything else in the series.

But there is one thing I was very dissapointed by. I used to love the interludes. In the beginning they were a break from everything we've known so far and gave us a glimpse into so many other things happening on Roshar. They were something I liked to reread independently from the rest of the books. They just had a unique feel to them. And they are loosing this feeling to me more and more each book.

It started to happen in Oathbringer. With Taravangian Szeth and Lift now being frequently featured in other viewpoints their apperances in the interludes just lost their draw to me. There still were other interludes like the lighthouse keeper or the Romance reading ardents that had the old style. But in RoW every interlude was very tightly connected to the main story. We spend the whole book in Emul or in Urithiru. And thats where all the interludes happen.
I get that Brandon does this to give the feeling of everything coming together but I just miss the adventure of seeing something only loosely connected. I loved the mistery in those short-Stories.

It's a tiny complaint. I just wanted to know if there are other people who feel like this on here.

On 5.12.2020 at 5:55 AM, HSuperLee said:

Alright, I figure this is probably the post that will make me hated on this forum and shunned for life, but this has been an issue for me for a while so I'd like to see if it can be resolved. I don't get why a vast majority of the commentary and opinions I see on Jasnah are so positive. I honestly can't remember a time I've seen someone not like Jasnah. But to be honest, that's how I feel about her, especially after her few chapters in Rhythm of War. This last book pushed me from generally disliking her to being actively annoyed during her chapters. So, I guess I'd like to know why everyone seems to be such big fans of her. I don't want to dislike her, especially since she'll apparently be the focus of one of the books in the back half of the series, and I'd prefer not to be super annoyed with a lot of that book. I considered using this thread to explain in detail why I don't like her, but I'm worried that has too much of a possibility of me turning this thread into a rant, which I'd like to avoid. In general, I just find her unrealistically perfect and pretty much a Mary Sue as well as generally lacking in uniqueness and any really interesting qualities. So what is it y'all find interesting about her? What is it I am missing that really pulls her character into to the heights everyone else sees? I genuinely want to know.

I really get where you are coming from. I feel similarly about Dalinar.

But I really like Jasnah. In WoK she was my favorite character.
I think she is not perfekt at all, and a very flawed character. And I think her flaws are exactly what make you dislike her.

She is obsessed with beeing in control and prepared. So much that she can't even connect well with her own mother.
In this book we see her overcompensating a lot because she is used to being the most capable person in the room. Now that she has to go into unknown terretory she wants to be on top right away.

I think the way you feel about Jasnah is the way a lot of people in book feel about her. Shallans thoughts about her express that well.

Just like Tintwhyl she is a Charakter I love to read about even though I would propably not get along with someone like her in real life. She is rational, introspektive but in a frustratingly disconnected way.

On a personal level I started to dislike Lirin too. I was a little dissapointed because I really liked him in book 1.

But I think he's a well written Character and The clash of worldviews between him and kaladin are very relatable to me.

On 22.2.2017 at 10:45 AM, strumienpola said:

In Khriss' essay in Arcanum Unbounded it is said that the big sun is blue-white supergiant. Blue-white supergiants emit lots of UV light. The planet probably doesn't really have a UV filter, as the Darksiders have dark skin protecting them from UV light from their white dwarf. So why in the name od sands Daysiders are light-skinned? 

Haven't you seen that one Spongebob episode?

They are so tan they are white again.

They are Sunbleached.

“ You will find wise men in any religion, Shallan, and good men in every nation. Those who truly seek wisdom are those who will acknowledge the virtue in their adversaries and who will learn from those who disabuse them of error. All others—heretic, Vorin, Ysperist, or Maakian—are equally closed-minded. ”

Don't remember the exact quote since I only know it in German:

Elend: Vin is not like other women

Tindwyl : The more women you get to know the more you will realize that this applies to all of them

This post are a few thoughts on the stories and worlds in the cosmere that i had for quite some time now and i decided to express them on here. It's going to be a bit of a ramble but maybe sombody is interested.

Despite me complaining about some things in the post below keep in mind that the cosmere is still my favorite series of books and i can't wai to see what the next decades of cosmere books may bring and what Sanderson is doing with all the characters. And it unsurprisingly is just my opinion.

I started the cosmere with WoK, then Mistborn, then Elantris and Warbreaker.They are all great. But something about them wass alway familiar.
I didn't have access to the short stories until Arcanum came out. I absolutely loved them. Even though we didn't see much of the worlds or magic I found the characters and stories themselves way more interesting than alot of the big novels. Especially "the Emperor soul" is in my View has the best writing of all of the cosmere.

What really started to bother me about the big 4 (SA, Mistborn, Elantris and Warbreaker) during rereads is how similar some Aspects felt. Every book many of our viewpointcharacters are part of one or the other royal family and a lot of the plot revolves around the intruiges of noblehouses. And somehow the magicusers are more likely to be nobles. At least among view point characters.

It didn't bother me in Mistborn. I thought it fit the world well and there was a satisfying reason why everybody that had magic was part of the nobility. It was by TLRs design.
It didn't bother me in warbreaker since he put a little twist on the noble houses with the court of gods. The returned made for an interesting choice for a ruling class.
It botherd me a little in Elantris. I had already seen it 2 before I read Elantris. But the book was one of his first ones and The story about the elantrians was engaging on its own.

It bothers me A LOT in Stormlight. The longer I think about it ( And maybe i just think about those things to much) the more I wish SA would have been diffrent. I think the setting, the magic, the story and the scope would have allowed for something way more original.

The concept of radiants, and how somebody becomes a radiant is brilliant in my eyes. A magic system that is pracitcally built to go great with character development. Litterly anybody who stays true to certain principles and finds the oaths has a chance of becoming radiant. This would be a great opportiunity to have very diverse Viewpoints. But who are the radiants in the actual story at the end of OB?
a Highprince,his son (a prince), the bodyguard of that highprince, a princess-Sholar who is his nice, His nephew the king could have become one(RIP), and his daughter in law. If Adolin revivies Maya there is just Navani left. Even Gavilar could have been one. But its not supposed to be inheritable like allomancy. Even if it turns out that it is inheritable on some level i wouldn't like it more. This royal family really is true to its principles like no other family on Roshar.

So many interesting Characters could be radiants. I liked Kaladins storyline a lot when he was a slave who wants to protect his comerades who he doesent even know while batteling giving up. I loved Shallan and Jasnahs initial Story in Karbranth. A Scolar and her ward who have a rocky relationship but discover that the end of the world is coming and they have special powers. They could have been the comfortable lie and the inconvienient truth as a character duo

I wan't to see radiants like lift. A poor girl who starts listening to the people that socety casts away. Or the owner of the Orphanage in Edgedancer. An old stone hearted Women who just wants to launder money but deep down starts to care about the kids.
Just normal but good people with flaws that have to become more through the oaths to save the world in a desolation. 10 massive books certanly gives enough space for all of those viewpoints and characters to come together in a massive very well build world such as roshar.

There are so many cultures and forms of goverment on Roshar. But we focus on the culture whos goverment is clostest to a bunch of Nobelhouses and their intruiges. And half of our radiants are the royal family of that culture. I'm aware why Brandon does a lot of the stuff i described above. I just sometimes wish he didn't and mix the conceps up a bit. He is already doing a great job from standing out from other fantasy books.

The entire plot of SA after WoR just feels like a more complicated Mistborn. We have a shard that killed another shard and is bringing the apocalipse. The king and his family are just trying to unite the world against it, but politics gets in the way. I don't know what i will do when somebody ascends to Honor.

I just wanted to get those thoughts out there and see what you guys think about those topics. In the end I'm shure I'll enjoy the SA regardless.

I have never written a book myself so it's not like i could do it better or something.

Steris:

-Good jokes for parties
-How not to seem boring
-Interests for Noblewomen
-elendelgossip.com
-Finance calculation programmes
...
-how to do "it"
-how to have sexual intercourse
-how to delete browser history

This was kind of said before.
But maybe pigs replace dogs on Threnody.

Dogs are omnivores in theory but mainly carnivorous. Feeding them would not be viable.

Pigs are very smart and can be thought tricks just as well as dogs and ear basically anything. Also domestic pigs come from wild boars which makes them suited to live in a forest.

They have a very good sense of smell and are really dangerous if aggressive. So maybe they are used as guard pigs. Or for tracking smells.

When we see them in the novella they are locked in. But that's at night time. Maybe they locked them in so they don't run at night breaking the simple rules.

I don't know. That would be very lazy writing for Brandon.

If the SA just ended by copy-pasting HoA  +one more shard I would give up on the cosmere.

On 17.7.2019 at 7:08 PM, Karger said:

And where are they?  We know some exist on scadrial and that Vin killed one.  That is it.

There is also that dog which got neutered by Wax using a gun..( he aimed for the tail)

So we know they survived the catacendre.

Maybe Paalm also was concerned with the lack of dogs on scadrial. So she made some using hemalurgy and people.

But the most adorable thing in the cosmere is that seons have no objection to beeing a storytelling nightlight for children.

Rebelliousteenagerform.

Odium: do my bidding

Singer:OMG Odium I don't have to do what you say! Your not even my real shard

*Put on very loud rockmusic in middle of everstorm-vision

On 26.8.2019 at 9:29 PM, Rushu42 said:

Khriss. She seems like she'd be willing to give a lot of information about the Cosmere, and that's pretty hard to beat. I pretty much had the same reasoning as @Ethan_Sedai. 

If she's not available, though, maybe Jasnah. She's just one of my favorite characters, although I doubt that she'd be willing to actually talk to me (I've read embarrassingly few Rosharan histories).

At first I wanted to say jasnah. But then I remembered the job interview she had with shallan in the first book... So no thanks.

I think I'd pick sazed or Harmony. Knows alot and is not afraid to share, is kind, has humor, very hospitable.

11 hours ago, Hoidwillsaveus said:

Kind of random, but when Sazed realized that Tindwyl was dead killed me.

That one messed me up a little. It was powerful. But I still think Tindwyls Character was wasted by that.

When Evi breaks down because the alethi women call her dumb. It didn't have a huge plot impact like a death but it felt very personal.

Eshonai talking to her mother who barely recognizes her due to dementia. That was very real for a fantasy book

So, if you die and appear in the cognitive realm. What clothes are you wearing?

The ones you died in?

Those that seem the most 'standard' for you?

Your favorite clothes?

I don't think it was mentioned in secret history.

The drawback to beeing radiant is that you have to keep your oaths.

I think i would be a lightweaver an make a living disposing of nuclear waste through soulcasting

Ferruchemy would be the most useful i think.

I think it would be really cool to be a kandra if that counts. I would make the wildest artificial skeletons.

I always pictured iron/steel vision having curved blue lines instead of straight ones.
Neither Inquisitiors nor Obligators habe the tatoos in my mind.

i picture Adolin and Renarin as white but not their families.

For a long time i imagied Chulls as giant red goats for some reason. This changed fast when seeing a drawing.

Chasmfiends will always be a huge angry shrimp.

2 hours ago, Toaster Retribution said:

I defenitely see your point. However, I think that this is somewhat wrong. Vin, Sazed, Kelsier and Elend, the main viewpoints, are all his victims. 

Yes kind of. Im mean they definitely are. But all of them are at least able to see that everything paid off in the end and knew what their suffering was for. In the Annotations of HoA Sazed calls him  a good person deep down. And I don't agree.

From all the Characters that aren't shards i think he definitely caused the most suffering willingly. I mean if someone thinks taravangian is evil than TLR is at least 10times as bad.

But i see what Brandon did writing it this way. I really like that there was a twist to the dark evil emperor. And that the revolution didn't magically solve everything.

But whenever he ist talked about so nicely i just think "Won't anyone think of the Skaa." That's why i voted.

At first Teft would hate and avoid her. But Allrianne would eventually grind him down and they'll grudgingly like each other.

Hesina and Silence.

Marsh and Dalinar :" I'm sad about his death. But i was even more sad when he got with the girl we both liked"

Zane " I know how that feels"

I voted Rashek.

Not because i can't see that he was essential to Ruins defeat. But because i never really baught the low key redemption he was given in HoA.

Even his good deed (taking the well of ascension) was motivated mainly by racism. Not by Kwaans words.
The thing's that have been done to the skaa and terris for one thousand years are so horrible, that im not shure they were better of not just being killed by ruin.

Those countless generations of terris and skaa dont benefit in anyway from Harmony's ascension. They have long gone beyond.

I just feel he is way more terrible than other people that are commonly seen as unforgivable but is still treated pretty favourably because the vast amount of his victims don't habe viewpoints.