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  1. hoser
    Nice quote. I was remembering something different. Jasnah talking to Shallan about existing documents in the Dawnchant that are currently unreadable. I wonder whether one of you wizards with the electronic versions could search up "Dawnchant". I need to get my own electronic copy.
  2. hoser
    It is an interesting quote. Your interpretation certainly seems possible to me. I would like to politely beg to differ about what it proves. All I get from "turn against mankind" is repetition of "betrayed mankind". I see no indication that the hatred began before the Recreance. Desertion ("putting down weapons at the wrong time") is a big deal in military terms. I do see support in this quote for another part of your theory. Urithiru, which had been originally placed closer to Honor and may have been the hub of a set of Oathgates, was abandoned before the Recreance. Was Urithiru abandoned because of Tanavast's death? Did the Oathgates cease to function without an intact Honor? Apparently it takes time to splinter a Shard. Consider the following timeline: Tanavast dies Radiants abandon Urithiru Honor splintered Recreance This fits your theory well. It also seems largely speculative to me without more support. As I said, I like your theory. I would like to espouse it if I could find more supporting evidence. If there is none, it is still a fine theory. Your post suggested that there is more evidence, which excited my curiosity, but perhaps I misunderstood.
  3. hoser
    Meg, thank you also and I hope you don't mind an upvote also. What makes the discussion of Vanrial particularly interesting is that there is another quote that I am too lazy to find. I believe Jasnah laments the inability to translate the Dawnchant and suggests that there are some quantity of unreadable documents that will become readable as a result of Dalinar's efforts. There will presumably be new information about ancient times as the Dawnchant gets puzzled out. In Words of Radiance: In my failed search for quotes, I did find one thing: from chapter 26 The implication I get is that the Vanrial must have been copying and translating tWoK as the language evolved. Intermediate copies or documents detailing the rate of language change would be very interesting. I wonder if Jasnah has been or will go to the Vanrial at Silent Mount.
  4. hoser
    Thanks! Interesting that I don't see the "here ya go" in the original post, but when I "quote" it, it shows up. Meg, this is what I was attempting to refer to. Logically, if the ardents (or anybody, really) were leading the Silver Kingdoms in a war and the Radiants suddenly quit, the warleaders would have to discredit the Radiants and call them traitors. Odium, if he wanted pervert the existing knowledge, would have every reason to cause the destruction of documents, inspire the language to change (people have speculated that this could be done in the cognitive realm) so the old documents couldn't be read and have half the population be voluntarily illiterate.
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    I believe that there are multiple copies now spread around the continent. I also believe that there was a time in which some number of copies at Vanrial were the only ones. I wish I had the electronic copy of the book, so I could search up the word "Vanrial" and find the text I remember to that effect. I would be grateful if someone who has the electronic version would do the search.
  6. hoser
    You mean in addition to the events-signings-and-stalking thread?
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    Seems quite possible particularly without the word "long". Looking forward eagerly to evidence that much of the world hated them before the Recreance. The Recreance vision suggests otherwise, but you clearly don't accept that. There is that epigraph about the taxes through Urithiru, but the person being quoted seems like a real jerk. The fort would presumably not have been in Alethkar. After 3000 or so years, it could have been forgotten or not exist anymore. Not very strong evidence. Looking forward eagerly to quotes about the other inconsistent descriptions of the Recreance. I like the theory, actually, and I appreciate your offering it. But without more evidence, it seems mostly speculation.
  8. hoser
    Great question. Consider the Heralds: Though it was a lie, they apparently won the war on Roshar and took it to the enemy. They were revered. Now consider the Knights. In battle against "devils", they deserted. Powerful allies of the Vorin ardents, they abandoned the struggle in midcourse and refused to use their power for "good". By doing so, whatever crusade they were on is thrown into question. The remaining forces behind the crusade would have have had no choice but to brand them traitors to continue the fight. It has been suggested that the Knights were corrupted and realized it. It could also be that their allies among the ardentia were corrupted. The Knights may not have wanted to take over, but were unable to take part in a struggle that wasn't in accordance with their purpose. What if the struggle they were engaged in was neutral or even furthered Odium's cause? Maybe something like the scouring of Aimia. From chapter 52: The Way of Kings and the Dawnchant were apparently preserved at Vanrial, near the Silent Mount in Jah Keved.
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    from I-4, describing the detection fabrial: But really, all the magic of Roshar that we've seen seems to be powered by stormlight except Shallan's memories, the storm visions/dreams, Shardblades and Cusicesh. I believe the Shardblades are in contact with the source of the stormlight, so they can draw continually without it being noticeable (spiritual realm?). The storm visions/dreams happen during highstorms, so they could be powered by the storms. Cusicesh makes the people nearby feel drained, so it may be drawing power from the people around it. Spren may also be inherently magical. They could be powered by the highstorms, which would explain their lack in Shinovar. But I think I am just repeating points others have made. Stopping now.
  10. hoser
    Or maybe she is feeling the goblet she ends up transforming. That "sun, dark and cold" could mean "sun, white but not as bright or as warm as the normal sun", but not necessarily.
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    Or it could be that the presence of the Cryptic is what allows the dying person to see Shadesmar. Not saying, just suggesting.
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    I agree with the Regrowth as a radiant ability. Actually I like it as an application of the surge Life or Health, like a lashing is an application of Gravity or Pressure. While some have argued that the stoneward is using the gem as an stormlight source, it doesn't explain why there is more than a gem, unless you believe that Brandon is into pointless elaboration. I think it is an example of Radiant era fabrials, of which Jasnah says (chapter 72): So I believe that Regrowth is a surge or an application of a surge, but that surge doesn't belong to the Stonewards, which is why the woman carries a fabrial that mimics the ability of another order. Well, you make a good point about the Windrunner abilities with regard to the attributes. Brandon makes an entirely contrary one with regard to how useful they are for protecting and leading during the entire book. Combat abilities could fit for the divine attributes of protection and leadership. I can see lucentia and the eyes corresponding with Lightweaving. I can also see Rock teleporting around a battlefield healing people as a Radiant of order 4. I think Shallan having the ability to transform things and cast illusions could be amazing together. I initially thought of Dustbringers and fire because of the smoke in the Prelude, but I can't see calling people who do fire "Dustbringers". Smokebringers, maybe, but really something like flamethrowers or firebringers would be a better description. I think they must be doing something different. I agree with commanding the sunlight as hyperbole for Lightweaving. Melting stones could be hyperbole for whatever Dustbringers do, but it would be really distorted hyperbole for burning things. In the prelude it refers to sections of rock smoldering, but that could be the aftermath of melting, burning or exploding. I find no reference to scorching in the text.
  13. hoser
    Is there word of Brandon that Lightweavers are order 4? I could easily see that order associated with Shallan. Creative fits much better for me than either loving or healing. The secondary attribute of order 4 is Healing. I have trouble putting regrowth under any other non-adjacent order. From Dalinar's POV, the Stoneward seems to be using a fabrial (non-modern radiant-type fabrial) to perform the Regrowth. So I question the placement of the Regrowth surge. It seems to me that both the divine attributes are relevant. Have you reviewed this thread? I think this one is also relevant. You've done some good work and I love to see the best thinking consolidated. It has been speculated that Dustbringers affect molecular bonds, rather than using fire. Brandon has mentioned using elemental forces and there is the quote from Teft about melting stone. Edited: added thread references, Lightweaver order 6 and Dustbringer speculation
  14. hoser
    Splinters are not sentient. Leuthie's key point was that from what we've seen, splinters are associated with sentient beings. From other books: Shards seem to have minimal inherent sentience (if any). On a purely speculative note, I agree that Adonalsium was likely sentient, mostly because of Hoid's little speech to Dalinar.
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    Something can have a Shardic investment without being a splinter. Being a splinter is significant. There are way too many spren for them all to be splinters. I can imagine Syl as having a splinter (not saying that she does) but not every flamespren, windspren, painspren or creationspren. Although we have WoB that the spren we have run into in tWoK are of Honor, Cultivation or both, that does not make them all splinters. In other books:
  16. hoser
    Do you maybe mean: If it isn't sentient, it does not have a Splinter.
  17. hoser
    Thank you!
  18. hoser
    Sorry! The theory seemed strange and the explanation challenging, so I just let it go, figuring someone smarter than me would find a problem with it. When it wouldn't die, I took a look and started thinking about it. It would have saved you some effort if I'd thought about it sooner.
  19. hoser
    In this interview Brandon says: Does that affect this theory? Brandon doesn't say there aren't any Odiumspren, but we've run into Shardblades and so they can't be Odiumspren. Edited: Question marks follow questions
  20. hoser
    And to be amazing, I would just have to amaze myself. Popular, on the other hand, ...
  21. hoser
    The definitions I have seen involve both the reputation and the actions of the honorable person. So, I would say that one can behave honorably even if there are no witnesses. If a tree falls honorably in the woods ... (ninja smiley). The question relevant to this thread is whether it would attract an Honorspren. And apologies to both Leuthie and Isomere for getting them confused. Sorry Edited: added apology and last sentence of the first paragraph
  22. hoser
    Oh yeah. Your thread. It's purpose. I was just flitting through picking at nits in my position as unofficial historian for the Radiants. Sorry. I did read your initial post, but kind of lost interest with all the <snarky sarcasm>"awesomeness"</snarky sarcasm> going on . I fundamentally disagree. I think there is WoB (but I don't have a quote) to the effect that investiture on Roshar is based on actions. Isomere, help please, I promise not to ninja you on this one (besides, Kurkistan did ask me directly for my evidence). Syl was attracted to Kaladin's actions per the quote you offer yourself. The Shrodinger's spren thing can introduce a level of circularity into any spren action, but I don't think that is what is ruling here. You also make another counterargument quite effectively with regard to Dalinar. People acting honorably are often seen otherwise by the less honorable people around them. Take Bridge 4. They start acting honorably but are detested by the other bridge crews and the soldiers. Eventually the other bridge crews look up to them. If we find that they have been attracting honorspren, I bet that it will have started before or at least not because of the other bridge crews' adulation. I think the turning point was when they start to heal the wounded from other bridge crews and when they agree to try to rescue Dalinar's army the honorspren attraction gets stronger. Actually, I reread your post and don't totally disagree. I don't think that the quantity of people is as important as the quality of the emotion. It could be that the gratitude of a few is attractive to Syl because the quality of the emotion is attractive to Syl. The gratitude of the people that Bridge 4 saves could be attracting other Honorspren likewise. Edit: changed my mind, added Hegelian synthesis paragraph to end.
  23. hoser
    Yes, returning to torture. Kurkistan covers the WoB question better than I could. I would add that Nohadon is wearing the Radiant symbol while he talks to Dalinar in the vision.
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    The prelude, wherein nine of the Heralds abandoned the Oathpact (although Taln still seems to have been bound to it), has the following: So the Heralds did fight alongside the Radiants. This is apparently a bronze age civilization from the hints that BS includes. Later, at the Recreance, civilization has advanced to the iron age. I do not currently believe that there were any desolations in between. The Heralds return immediately after desolations, which seem to be separated by something on the order of centuries. Dalinar apparently talks to Nohadon following a desolation. The Radiants are formed and Urithiru founded during Nohadon's lifetime. So the Heralds were not physically present at the founding of the Radiants. I would guess that someone communed with Tanavast or discovered something he meant to be found to establish the Radiants in accordance with the ideals of the Heralds. Gavilar or Dalinar re-reading the Way of Kings doesn't seem significant, since the Vanrial community at the Silent mountain (site of Urithiru?) (is that where the Radiants went?) preserved the Way of Kings and the Dawnchant and people have been reading it all along. Gavilar apparently did something irrevocable that may have involved the oddly glowing black sphere, which could have done something. Or maybe things had been set in motion before and the appearance of the Parshendi was an effect of another cause. Maybe Szeth did something that triggered his punishment and the return of the Parshendi. The death rattles started at about the same time. Or maybe Szeth was responding to something. Maybe Taln finally broke or 4500 years passed (5000 - 450*Heralds being tortured) I know nothing... Edited: commented on Heralds founding Radiants
  25. hoser
    here QuestionWas the Almighty still alive when the Heralds packed it in, and did the Radiants pack it in in direct response to what the Heralds did? Brandon SandersonThe Radiants did NOT abandon their post as a response to the Heralds. The Radiants abandoned it for some other reason which will become evident eventually. The Almighty was still around when the Heralds did their thing.
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