Pechvarry

Nah. I think Zane was at least Kelsier level. Main characters like that being what they are. I like Shan more for "this isn't my first assassination mission, but I'm still a posh Noble." Those Dakhor could leap up to a second story roof. I think it'd be easy to underestimate one. Dilaf, by contrast, would feasibly outperform the standard monks in most categories. Including resisting wimpy coins.

Maybe I need a high-level summary. I see "use in place of metals" and "increase power." It looks to me like Serendipity took it further than me and said store the power and use it to fuel _any_ power, which fits with what the MAG says about its feruchemy. But as a twinborn, you can only burn one metal, leaving you with the "burn on an empty stomach" use. All fair theories, I think. of course, we've lightly theorized about using it to store your innate, human investiture and tap to be a mistborn before.

Who was that mistborn in book 1 who used to be engaged to Elend? I think she would be a better point of comparison as a representative of "mistborn par." Because Vin always wins.

I hope, when he said "minor planets," he meant like Mercury. No atmosphere, no life, etc. Because I don't think I much like the notion of not being able to reach the Shadows for Silence planet, for example.

While I agree it's most likely as Elend is interpreting it, it could just be "burn metal while storing and you have no allomantic effect. Tapping doesn't improve your abilities it just lets you use them with an empty stomach." Which would still be less lame-sounding than storing calories or making yourself manic-depressive.

Grumble grumble cadmium bubble...

I read: the dragon is male and immortal, but can be killed. EDIT: Ack. Whole new page I didn't see.

I am tickled pink. My hub-bub about the TLR Lerasium use turned out to totally be a thing, and we can continue theorizing about Breath Compounding! Fantastic. Worldhopper info is gonna keep us going for a while. I was kinda expecting a White Sands appearance, but I don't know who or how.

@OP: we don't have any good canonical references stating how, exactly, Feruchemical nicrosil works. Nor do we have any on what a stronger steelpush actually means (weight, force, speed, whatever). Everything is conjecture. We have the Mistborn Adventure Game telling us you can use it to fuel other feruchemy, and it seems reasonable that it can be used for allomancy as well. But remember none of us are sure. But assuming it can affect allomancy... @Two Mcmillion: why only TLR and hemalurgists? Any Feruchemical nicrosil twinborn would have their own scalar duralumin for their allomantic metal. Unless you're talking about stacking the effects with duralumin? In which case, yeah. We'd need a pretty special dude.

This is what I was thinking, as well. Jupiter and especially Neptune have large storms which have stayed strong for hundreds of years. Of course, those are gas giants. But Roshar has magic, so it should even out.

"Raoden awoke, completely unaware he had been damned for all eternity." Or something like that.

Quite like unskilled emotional allomancy!

Thoughts like this, as well as the current thread about the number of Lerasium beads reinforce my point: there is a good deal of conjecture as to how TLR obtained Allomancy. So the wiki shouldn't say one way or the other.

I see you caught that you meant Thought. I didn't dig deep enough to see if you slugged it out with Phantom, but it wasn't on page 1. Thanks for the correction on the durations. Still, can't help but think 1 minute is a good target duration for a stamp not actually intended for you. Though it would be more beneficial to have more generic stamps. What could you do with 60 seconds of "we've been friends for years?"

That thread got long and tangential and technical. Can you summarize the argument? I think, in the book, we see stamps dissolving immediately, after 1 minute, 2 minutes, 10 and 15 minutes. Shai required a same-gendered, same-race specimen who had spent time with the emperor. With this requirement met, she had 'Ol Gau resenting his 3rd party self, looking up to a brother he didn't have, and so on. These were a) very personal and deep-seated memories and intended for a target who was not the recipient. So it seems to me a stamp that makes your guard remember their dog dying yesterday is actually more likely to take. I think what I'm getting at is: the book shows us 2 fully-developed essence marks. Both of them are intended to last the full day. For all intents and purposes, they're designed to be permanent. Am I wrong in my belief that a temporary mark would be more useful if designed to target short-term goals? We don't need to know about the theoretical guard's family history or net income, so including those things increases the chance of the stamp not taking. We just need to know if he likes dogs. Or am I underestimating the amount of research needed to make any stamp work?

Sure, Shai doesn't sneak into people's homes at night and make them into her thralls, but couldn't a more short-lived Essence Mark prove useful in a pinch? If she can make someone think he had a brother for 15 minutes, surely she could make someone "Remember" that time his buddy stole his girl, getting them to turn on each other. I'll leave the "how" of obtaining physical contact to someone more clever. If I were breaking out of the palace, I'd want a Shaizan Essence Mark too. But failing that, it really shouldn't take long to whip up a mark to hit yourself with "ten years of kung fu training" and have it stick for 15 minutes. Is there anything in the book that indicates that short-term single-attribute marks (better botanist, spent-time-as-a-locksmith, etc) wouldn't work? Any reason not to use them on others?

He's an author and we keep expecting a physicist. Same thing with some of gold's inconsistencies. I honestly feel sorry for him when he tries his best to explain things and we're all THAT CAN'T BE RIGHT BECAUSE OF THIS EDGE CASE. If you do happen to ask about storing Breath in metal without the Ninth Heightening, make sure you specify that it's storing and not trying to awaken that we're looking for.

Ham for Mistborn, 2014. I would say Dox, but he was a bit dead by then. More likely, they would've studied it all book 3, and it would finally be consumed in a time of need 8 pages before the end.

I don't know if I want this to turn into a protracted argument on terminology, but TLR knowing what the Lerasium nuggets do is completely different from saying he used one and that's how he got Allomancy. In fact, it says he knew the nuggets were just parts of the well. Ergo, a bath in the well should have at least as much effect. Vin not getting an appreciable "power up" is pretty odd, I concede. But then, she also released the power instead of using it. If I were god-mode Rashek, and knew my time was limited, I would've used a very tiny smidgin to make my physical body an Allomancer.

Awaken stuff while draining color from your walls to save money on Kilz.

Wow. In a world where normal people have one shadow and those that can see the future have several, Hoid having _no_ shadows at all would be just plain amazing.

I think people overestimate Atium's mental expansion. I think it just lets you keep up with the new data, not like it's free Zinc.

In general, I think Vasher is no match for a Mistborn. Nightblood helps. A lot. Especially since we know it'd be pretty much immune to iron/steel. But his Awakened pants/cloak is enough to keep up with Pewter and... that's about it. Curtains wouldn't do a good enough job of blocking sprays of coins, and Vasher has a temper that could really be abused by some emotional tugs. However, his trusty sword makes Vasher the most fearsome opponent for Miles.

Yeah, that might be perfect. While he is pretty clever, she has a very strong edge. I could see them both blending into the society well. Shai would get close several times, with Spook's heightened senses barely giving enough time to rabbit. If the chase led to the wilderness, Shai has a stamp for that, and Spook would feel right at home. If an ultimate, physical confrontation was at the end, I think Shaizan could keep up, unless Spook has his Pewter spike. Either way, the victor is most likely decided by who got the drop on who. I like it.

I've been trying to think of a good spy vs spy opponent for Shai. Setting: a large city like Hallandren surrounded by wilderness where the objective is to track the opponent and get the drop on them (which means evasion and false trails as well). But I don't know that Brandon has written someone else worthy of that competition. Hoid fits the bill, but he's too powerful to be fair. God-King vs TLR: tapping speed is the one thing that I think makes TLR unbeatable. I think they need a decent starting distance. On scadrial, GK could probably awaken the ash, which could be devastating.