Amanuensis

Well at least we are both staying true to our characters, then

Awe, that saddens me. In the context of this game, I'm just an innocent, little girl, lost in a foreign country who happened to win it's people over with her incomparable cuteness and earn a seat on its Senate. Granted she was raised by cultists, but that doesn't mean she's evil at the core, or at least can't be redeemed. Opalin really is trying to help, here. Since coming to Duladel she's actually begun to feel like she belongs somewhere for first time in her life. To be strung up by the Dulas she's come to know and, I dare say, even love, over the course of the last week, to the point where she was even willing to betray her loyalties to her parents, would just be so, so heartbreaking.

I suppose I could see that, but the same thing would have happened if I didn't admit to being Jeskeri. I wasn't in any danger of being lynched when I revealed myself and I severely doubt anyone would have tried to lynch me after recalling me, since I was only suspected of being Jeskeri to begin with (I just saw Eol's post last turn and he pretty much nailed it). Like I said, that would be acknowledging that the Jeskeri began with two Senators and two Landlords, which separate are very unlikely, even more so when you put them together. Also that we devised a plot to pretend trying to get the other recalled. While that would have been an awesome deception, it's still an unlikely one. Like I said the other turn: sometimes the simplest answer is the right one. I'll just combine these next two statements into one response. At the very least, when this game is over and it's proven for sure that I am being entirely honest about this, I hope it'll alleviate some of the irrational "fear" people have regarding me. That's the worst I can't stand airports.

Yeah, sorry about that, again. I really did forget about you dying early in LG22, let alone you even being in that game. I have a pretty atrocious memory. I understand that concern. I love hammers and take advantage of them whenever I can. But think about it; why reveal myself if that was my intent? It would have been a lot better to try convincing villagers to re-elect me and supplement it with a hammer. Whether or not you acknowledge that I'm telling the truth about me being the only active Jeskeri, fearing a hammer at this point would involve Jeskeri outnumbering villagers. Do you really think that's likely, with both Conq and Meta dead? At least at this point in the game where 12 players are still alive and only 2 of the 7 dead players are villagers, whether or not there is another active Jeskeri to perform a hammer can easily be prevented by everyone voting to elect Straw next turn. But my honeyed words are so sweet and honest! While possible, I don't believe that Elenion also being Jeskeri is probable. If you think that Elenion and I are both Jeskeri, that would require you acknowledging two facts: first, that the Senate began with two Jeskeri, and second, that the Jeskeri began with two Landlords. Elenion proved this turn that he is a Landlord by adding a recall vote onto Bard. Safe travels, friend.

Though sad that you want to kill me after respectfully admitting defeat, I'll address real quick why it's pointless to lynch me. The village win condition does not involve killing the Jeskeri, only keeping them off of the Senate (which has already been accomplished, partly thanks to your own efforts). Although the Jeskeri are technically eliminators, their win condition does not directly involve killing villagers, just having majority in the Senate (which is impossible for me to orchestrate given a majority of the current players are villagers who now know I am a Jeskeri and will therefore never vote for me to join the Senate again). Besides, is a single kill every two turns even that big of a deal, when you all know where that kill is coming from and who it will be targeting? I suppose I could lie about killing whoever the village decides as a collective next turn, but if I did that, what would I gain? One player killed at the cost of my own life? Yeah, not a wise move on my part, and utterly pointless because if I wanted to just kill whoever I felt like, I would have kept it a secret that I was a Jeskeri anyway. It's impossible to fulfill my win condition. It's been a daunting challenge from the start, and knowing that, I still tried my best. I honestly believed that Elbereth was the last Derethi the previous turn when I voted to recall Elenion, so upon realizing that, I attempted the only opportunity for victory available to me. 1: Recall Elenion, 2: Kill Bard, 3: Sabotage the next election by dividing the thread between electing two different candidates (wouldn't work unless Emily came back by then), and 4: Lynch Elbereth the next day, leaving only cloud and I on the Senate. Opalin has now realized that the religious doctrines she was raised on are false, her "god," if such an evil god even truly exists, seems to abandon her just as her parents left her alone and afraid in Duladel, and she is young and impressionable enough to willingly convert to the Korathi faith, so long as it means ridding the world of those Derethi-dogs. I'm just unsure why killing me at this point is useful for the village. Just like you said you aren't going to listen to a confirmed Senate if you don't want to, you can choose to not listen to me either. Regardless of whether there's a win in this game for me or not, I still have a vested interest in killing the Derethi. Ultimately it comes down to one thing. My team is defeated. Given that there's likely only one Derethi left, that means they'd have to single-handedly kill twelve players to win, including myself (therefore killing them instead of me actually helps them get closer to that goal). I would rather help end the village win this game quicker so the next QF can begin then sit idly by and watch people scramble for a few more cycles. So, here is my chart straight from the Jeskeri Mysteries Cult Doc. Name Role Alignment Amanuensis Duelist Jeskeri cloudjumper Duelist Dula Ecthellion III ??? ??? Elbereth ??? ??? Elenion Landlord Dula emilylime Regular Jeskeri Eolhandras “Duelist” ??? Kipper ??? ??? OrlokTsubodai ??? ??? Sart ??? ??? Straw Korathi Acolyte Dula The Young Bard Duelist Dula I count cloudjumper as a confirmed village because he's not Jeskeri and if he were Derethi that would require Elbereth being Derethi too. Now, considering that my own team began with four players (which I think was too few given our win condition) I severely doubt the Derethi began with more than four, especially since this game only had 19 players from the start. I count Elenion as a confirmed villager because he's not Jeskeri and if he were Derethi I do not believe he would have told the truth about both eramit and Seonid's alignments. That being said, he still could be (especially since no Derethi Landlord has died yet), but that is a long shot and should not be considered until more likely candidates are lynched / investigated first. Straw's alignment is obvious, and I have absolute evidence of Emily and Bard's alignments (one from a doc, the other from a GM PM). Aside from Elbereth we basically have a guaranteed village Senate right now. That being said, on the subject of mayors. Not really a problem this game because there are no PMs. No secrets can really be kept from the eliminators, except in Straw's doc, but considering Eolhondras and Ecthellion are both in there who I consider wild cards, there's a chance it's compromised already. Even then, no one outside from the players he invites can get role information to them without joining it. So, no issue in that regard. Also, just because players are proven villagers, it does not mean that they need to be listened to by everybody. Everyone is fallible. Just because a player is confirmed good doesn't mean they are always right; all it means is that you have one less person to examine when searching for the eliminators. As long as you follow your own reasoning and instincts there should be no issue with that this game. Anyway, I'm equally suspicious of Sart and Kipper because they both suddenly returned after Seonid was removed from the game. I caught Shallan for this exact same reason in MR12 (she suddenly returned from inactivity - or lurking - after the last of her active teammates were caught and killed). Both of them only really posted to make sure I was recalled. Sart's got one point in his favor because he advocated replacing me with Straw (hence why I'm voting he get investigated rather than lynched), though it's very possible that was only him stating the obvious to provide some villagery reasoning for getting rid of me. Kipper, on the other hand, didn't even bother to explain himself, which in a way is a point in his favor (I would think he would try to disguise it if he were evil), but that action is a bit more deserving of a lynch than Sart's, in my opinion. Both of them have barely been paying attention to this game, which would explain the attack on Bard over me. But then again, the recall was very close to getting swung off of me at the end there, so it's possible that the last Derethi panicked and attempted to not waste two kills on in a row and changed it last minute. @Straw @cloudjumper @Eolhondras @The Young Bard @Ecthelion III, can one of you tell me if Bard claimed Duelist when he entered the doc? If he did that might confirm Eolhondras as a villager. I say might because I am severely suspicious of his Duelist claim, and here's why. Between Cloud, Bard, Mailliw and I that makes four Duelists already. Granted, two of those Duelists are eliminators, but with there being a third village Duelist that means it's been impossible for a single member of the Senate to die from the start, barring orders being forgotten or Mailliw not using his ability on Elbereth (if she's not Derethi). Granted, I, and some other players, have already acknowledged that this game has been unbalanced for a while now, but at least in the case of some other scenarios, I really don't want to believe Mek would do that. I guess it could be a byproduct of him counting on recalls occurring every night turn, but... just seems unlikely to me. Eol is definitely not my first choice, but if it's neither Sart or Kipper, than I would definitely suggest having me attack Elbereth tonight and force Eolhondras to prove his Duelist claim by protecting her again. If she survives, then we'd be able to trust he is a village Duelist (I severely doubt the Derethi would be given two of them) and we can then lynch Elbereth and investigate Ecth or Orlok next. If she dies, it'll prove Eolhondras is a liar and we can then lynch him to hopefully finish off the last Derethi. In the former scenario, if both Elbereth and Ecth/Orlok are revealed innocent, all we need to do is lynch that last player and the village wins. I understand your skepticism in trusting my advice, Orlok, but if I can't win, I'd rather help the majority win rather than the minority (Dulas rather than Derethi).

It always saddens me when real life interferes with a team's chance of victory (even though in this case I'm somewhat glad it happened, as otherwise my team would have lost). Regardless, your team did very well though. I can never seem to get a read on you (which by default makes me suspicious of you) but it wasn't until later in the game when I had enough information to really figure it out that it was you. Shout out to @jaimeleecee for doing a great job in both your first game and as your first time being evil. And of course, many thanks (and upvotes) for our great GM, Gamma Fiend! I especially look forward to the write ups involving my lynch and my death, even though both of those moments (particularly the first) were very painful for me as a player. Ugh, and once again, congratulations to the @TheMightyLopen for surviving until the end. I really need to figure out (and emulate) how you last in these games so often. Maybe I should try hanging my handle to TheMightierLopen...

I propose Amanuensis for the honorary villager award. I mean, seriously. What kind of eliminator fails to kill a single villager? (I've literally only voted for 1 Jeskeri and 3 Derethi this entire game).

You're on the bottom of it, and that's only because you keep doing things I think are suspicious / I haven't seen you do anything to harm the Derethi yet. But if you're not Derethi you have nothing to worry about.

I really don't think Orlok is Derethi. If he was he would have sided with you two nights ago to get me recalled, rather than with me, and then had the order put on me to die so they could remove me. Derethi don't care about if Jeskeri are on the Senate or not. They just care about getting rid of players with influence and power. I think the best course of action right now is lynch Kipper, investigate Sart, and if neither of them turn out to be Derethi then we can discuss who you want me to use the Jeskeri kill on tonight. I severely doubt it will come to that, though. The only thing that I think is weird is that Bard was attacked despite me being recalled. I mean, I guess it was close enough there at the end that they could think it'd be tipped onto him, but I doubt it. That could be explained by an order put in ahead of time, before the sudden votes on either of us; but that doesn't seem likely to me, either. More likely a result of a player who hasn't been paying much attention to the game: hence Kipper and Sart.

It's not that I'm necessarily suspicious of him (this is actually one of the few games where I actually believe he is innocent). It's that he's one of a handful of players I can't confirm through context. He's at the bottom of my list of suspects, hence the fact he was last on that list.

If you honestly think I'm a Derethi after me single-handedly catching Mailliw and Seonid... nevermind, no comment. Eh, I wouldn't even consider myself an eliminator at this point. I can confirm that the Derethi did indeed attack Elbereth N2. I did not put the kill order in because I was protecting myself to make sure the Derethi couldn't kill me. Meta was busy with his birthday, and Lime never showed up (she's been missing ever since). I talked to Alvron on N4, however, and he said I could put two orders in, so I attacked Bard (hoping he didn't put his order in to protect himself after being offline for 18 hours). So yeah, I've killed no one (except a Jeskeri AND two Derethi). >.>

Eh, storm it. I'm the last (active) Jeskeri. The only way I could have won this game after Meta died was if I got the Senate down to 1v1, which was basically impossible. So I made the only ploy I could last night turn. It failed. I'm kicked out of the Senate now, and there's no chance of me getting re-elected, so it's pointless for me to keep pretending. I'm going to continue dedicating myself to killing the Derethi, since I've been so good at it so far, and really this game has been hugely stacked against us eliminators from the start anyway. I can promise at least that Bard and Elenion are village. Cloudjumper most likely is village. Still clueless on Elbereth, but I honestly want to believe she's innocent. Don't bother. Emily is Jeskeri AND inactive. Completely pointless lynch. The possible Derethi are Eolhondras, Sart, Kipper, Elbereth, Etchellion and Orlok. @The Young Bard, did you claim your true role when you joined Straw's doc? If so, that would clear Eolhondras, at least. I severely doubt that he would attack you if you did, considering you just survived my attack the previous night. I think the most likely candidates are Sart / Kipper. So I would recommend us lynching one and investigating the other. If neither of them turn up Derethi, I will use my kill on either Elbereth / Ecthellion / Orlok, as directed by the thread, to hopefully end this.

Do I have something to defend myself against? So far I've yet to see anyone point out a reason why I'm suspicious. Recalling me right now is the last thing the village needs. It should be painfully obvious with this 4-vote bandwagon on me that I have no allies to coordinate with me. Listen. If I didn't say anything yesterday, this is what I was worried about. Elbereth is the last Derethi, therefore Elenion is Jeskeri. Because Elbereth is Derethi I cannot trust 100% that cloud is a villager. In the off chance that she did lie about his scan and he was a Jeskeri and I said nothing about the recall, Elbereth (the last Derethi) would end up being killed, leaving the Senate at a 2 v 2 scenario. That was the worst case scenario, and I was looking out for us all by presenting the issue. (Note: This is the hypothetical I believed at the time. I still think it is highly likely that Elbereth is Derethi and that Elenion is Jeskeri. But I'm not so sure after seeing the actions of some other players: Notably, Ecth, Sart and Kipper. Eol as well, to an extent.) Bard getting attacked last night is proof that I'm innocent. Not only did I protect myself (therefore I couldn't take any additional action, as in attack Bard) but I know Bard's role. Therefore I know he can't die at night, either. Why would I engineer him being attacked when I knew he could protect himself? That makes no sense. In fact, I even tried to bait the Jeskeri into attacking him yesterday by saying they would have little chance of winning if they didn't kill him. It clearly worked, and no one died as a result. And thanks to his ninja now, I will also place a vote on The Young Bard. I'm pretty sure that the Jeskeri don't have a Landlord (Conq died, and it's very rare to see two of the same role on a team) but now that Sart and Kipper are back suddenly when 3 Derethi are dead, and just in time to try to get me recalled / killed as an act of revenge for lost teammates, one of those two, if not both, are very likely an eliminator and I would not be surprised if one was a Landlord and was going to use their power to make sure I get kicked / killed. Please people, make the right decision. I'm obviously not Derethi, and there is no evidence, or even a hint, to suggest I am Jeskeri. I very strongly believe that there's a ton of context to strongly suggest I am not Jeskeri, compared to some other players. What else more do you need me to say? @Elbereth @Elenion Can you tie the recall vote, please? I'm pretty sure the Derethi are going to attempt to attack me again, what with my role being verified and the current votes stacked to recall me.

@Elbereth, please post so I can upvote you for the great write up (even though I blame you for the fall of Venture)

What whaaat. Welcome ant! Happy to have you join our bloody lovely community!

If you really are the last Derethi there is no reason to let you live now, Seonid. Otherwise we are unnecessarily delaying the game. Unless there are 3 Jeskeri on the Senate right now (beyond unlikely), killing you now ensures a village win. If the game doesn't end then we know we can't trust you anyway, because you'd have a 4th Derethi running around (likely El). You might not be me, but I know the strength of an outed eliminator. I've done it twice now, and won both times. Not letting anyone else attempt to do the same. Sorry, but I have no reason to trust your word that you won't use your kill against us. And I can't see any logic behind lynching anyone else besides you, anyway. Also, why did you attack me? Did you not believe my claim of being a Duelist? Also, can you please explain why Mailliw would decide to protect a village Elbereth? I still don't get that. Sorry you couldn't participate more :[ I feel a bit bad in catching both Mailliw and you simultaneously, if I'm honest. What with eramit getting caught so early, that sorta luck seems unfair to me. Though I am of the opinion that this game was stacked in the favor of the village from the beginning.

I totally meant to roleplay this game. Opalin is supposed to be a young little Arelish girl who got separated from her parents in Duladel, who apparently was so adorable that they decided to elect her Senator... so it should definitely be she, and she's likely too young for mudbeer... but either way, I won't complain amusing write up either way. Well, at least I finally got the eliminators to waste a turn attacking me >.> very glad to see that the other kill was blocked, too.

@Alvron, will all three of these colors count? If not, which is the official retraction?

Elenion.

Then yes, that's basically all the evidence I have is, if you can even call it that. The only true evidence in this game is investigations and lynch results. I'm just basing my decisions off what makes the most sense.

Read that entire post where I analyzed what he said / did D1. Those are all reasons why I found him suspicious. Plus more if I factor in more things from other turns. Knowing Bard's role and being confident that Elbereth is Derethi has just solidified that fact in my mind. Hence why I'm trying to remove the problem now before we can regret it later.

Fair enough. That just chalks it down to you not knowing me well, yet . Once I am confident that I'm right about something I become an aggressive player. Ask any of the other reoccurring players. With that being said, so far your only reason for taking his side over mine appears to be because I'm my play style. Not a very good reason, in my opinion. I am fine with that. Elbereth, Elenion and I have discussed a one-turn truce. If both of you remove your votes on me, as well as @OrlokTsubodai and I, no one has to get recalled tonight. I still believe the Elenion is without a doubt Jeskeri, and with cloud potentially being one too, am concerned with the Jeskeri pulling off a victory. But that can be alleviated if we do indeed scan Elenion tomorrow.

How can you possibly know that you're both villagers? The only way to investigate a player is via the Senate or Kesegan Monk scanning (which would result in him dying, thus you couldn't have possibly done that. Thus this argument is irrelevant. I understand why you should be skeptical about the information only I have access to (Bard and mine's alignments), but you're just "going to bat" for the wrong player, here. While it's possible Elbereth is the Jeskeri, I believe it more likely she's the Derethi, given the fact that evidence severely suggests the missing kill N2 was the Derethi's, not the Jeskeri's. While it could have been an orchestrated WGG on the Jeskeri's part, but that's even assuming that they have a protection role, which we have no real evidence of, while there is evidence to suggest Mailliw protected Elbereth. No, Bard was scanned because eramit voted against Bard, and people (Elenion mostly, not me) were convinced that it was because they were on a team together, and Bard just went along with it because he had no reason to fear being scanned. I'm not hiding behind probability. I'm using it to support arguments that already exist. I'm not saying it's probably I'm not an eliminator. I'm saying there is a lot more evidence to suggest I am neither Derethi or Jeskeri while Elenion has done things that multiple players have remarked on as shady. Generally when a player is doing shady things it's because they're evil, and when a player is doing good things, it's because they're innocent. I only took it out of context if I'm wrong. There is no way to know what your context is until your alignment is verified. Given the fact that I know the only possible Jeskeri is between Elbereth and Elenion (and believe that Elbereth is Jeskeri) that means I believe you're just trying to protect your teammate. That context makes just as much sense, if not more than, the latter. Ah, well then I'd chalk that up to me not having timestamps to work with. That being said, it still doesn't change the fact that a vote change to the clearly already decided lynch target doesn't make sense for a villager. I believe I have given you (and everyone) a lot more reasons to trust me than Elenion has. What has he done to earn your trust more than I have? Is it anything that a third party could perceive as anything other than "they are just on a team together?" Or do you have a good reason to believe he's not Jeskeri and I am? Elbereth told me in doc that you two are siblings. My response to you being evil too was not knowing that, and just assuming your sudden defense of him over me is because you're biased by being teammates and that I was absolutely right. Don't let the fact that you two are brothers cloud your judgment. Do some serious consideration about what we've both said and done so far game, and if you still think he's less likely than evil than I, post why.

Sometimes it doesn't work the first time. Did you try editing it in again? Otherwise... no idea. Maybe put in bold "my text won't change colors so please count this as a recall vote against Elenion"?

Not sure how cloud is relevant there Maybe. But I think that scenario is less likely. It's our term for when someone posts while you're writing a post. It is quite amusing, eh? I've used the same argument; still doesn't change the fact that you could have ulterior motives in saying that. No, you might not have been able to know that cloud was legit as a villager, but strategically it makes the most sense to practice caution this early when a player claims a role like that. I've been pretty impressed with you so far this game, and therefore would expect you to realize that, and not be so torn about it unless you were really a Jeskeri and didn't want to kill one of your own. Once again, possible explanation, but given that Conq was a Jeskeri, I'm doubtful. Right, right still not convinced you weren't in a doc with him. Sorry, I keep getting confused by his avatar. I interchanged he and she there multiple times. Either way, my response to that quote is still relevant and valid. Right, Landlord only effects elections / recalls. Remembering that, it makes absolutely no sense to stack a 6th vote on Conq. He was already going to die. Him not voting for Conq would not impede it at all. The only benefit in that is potentially making him look good for lynching a Jeskeri, something only a Jeskeri would know ahead of time Eh, nothing wrong with defending yourself, people are going to do that regardless of alignment. Doesn't change the fact that you did many suspicious things, in my opinion.