Vander

Actually, Rainspren as a side for Skybreakers makes sense to me, considering clouds and Division.

Hmm... wasn't there something about Aquatic beings similar to Chasmfiends, though? Ones that went inland to reproduce?

Even if there was (And I'm not sure there is), note the word "technically". It could be referring to Adonalsium itself, which is technically all the shards and (presumably) had a part in making Roshar, and was as such on it at some point.

Not so much the "kicked out of Shinovar" part as the "Yeah you're a liar and you caused a national panic for no reason so now we're basically making you a slave that has to kill people" part. Consider that it took him years to overcome his distaste of walking on stone. Szeth is a guy who quite obviously believes in his religion, and being made Truthless forced him to deny it. It may not seem like a lot, but having all you ever believed and have known taken away from you- based on something you truly believed, at that!- does seem rather traumatizing.

What Syl said shouldn't really be taken very seriously, as shown by her opinions on Pattern, who is a perfectly good Spren, thank you very much. And, heck, even if we want to use Syl as an example, consider this: "Finding your own justice" is quite a bit different from "Following the letter of the law." Further, the only stuff I could find about Skybreaker methods in Words of Radiance excerpts is this: All that shows is that there was some clash between Windrunner and Skybreaker methods, not necessarily that Skybreakers were bound by the law. I'll concede that Nin and Szeth may not have influenced your speculation as much as I thought, though.

Hey all! Would anybody be interested in an RPG set in the Wheel of Time world at the beginning of the Third Age? I don't see any active ones, so I figured I might as well. It'll have about five to ten participants (more, if someone helps me in writing) and be fairly long. Well, if people LIVE that long, in any case. No "undo's" or resurrections allowed. You can create your own character, though Channelers will be frowned upon. (That is, unless you can give an absolutely amazing reason for them to A: Not be insane OR B: Not be trying to stop the insane ones.) What do you think?

Pretty much. The sad reality, however, seems to be that since the only "Skybreaker" we've seen in Nin(?), and the only person he's called a "true" Skybreaker is Szeth (A focus of dislike for a lot of readers), people have, for the most part, decided that "Skybreakers suck!" I've also had the theory that because Kal is one of the most loved characters, people took those couple interactions with Syl (Where she spoke of Skybreakers) to heart, not considering that an Honorspren likely has a very different viewpoint from a Highspren. I'll see about finding quotes, just to be sure. Of course, it also seems that Brandon doesn't have too much invested in Szeth- He's pretty much a "study of a culture" for him, so we can't be sure what he'll do. It's one of the more worrying things for me. Thankfully, I have been proven wrong on many occasions. Hehe... people gun' be mad. Edit, responding to DSC01: Of course, what we know comes from one arguably insane surgebinder (Darkness, I'm talking about Darkness) and one who was completely subjugated and made powerless by his own Honor. Very good examples, so far.

Consider the spren, especially- they are most likely little what it "split" into. You know, tiny pieces of cognitive investiture, and so on.

You, my friend, are hereby on my list. Which is to say, good bane there.

I honestly think that fits her better than either, too.

Granted. Right after, you find that you have children you didn't know about. There goes your relaxation (For the rest of your life.) I wish Doctor Strange would come out sooner. I WANTZ TO WATCH IT GODDAMMIT.

Eh, there doesn't seem to be enough evidence to support that. At all. This is not to discard your theory, but people choose to remain unmarried for a whole host of reasons, and that's the only evidence you actually have. Still, there's no evidence to the contrary, either, so for now we'll just wait and see. Oh, and Jasnah hasn`t Worldhopped beyond Shadesmar (If that can even be called Worldhopping) - heck, Ivory was loath to bring her into Shadesmar in the first place.

Granted. Your bane is that you will have to wait in suspense for a long time before finding out you passed. (I'm not gonna give a real bane, because I can relate. Good luck!) I wish for an omelette.

Dear lord... So wait, even if I'm jury? Attorney? Granted. However, it always shrinks to the point of being unwearable. I wish for a new life. To be taken, that is. Basically, please kill a baby. Edit: Um... I'm not sure what happened there. To be clear, it doesn't have to be human...

Granted. You have to wait a month (to read the book, that is) for every moment you spend wishing for x book to come out. I wish I could keep to my convictions better.

Perhaps. I was wondering about the oaths after the Second, and what they mean, but as we have no information there, we'll have to RAFO. Or, heck, ask Brandon.

Not granted. The butthurt is too strong. I wish to not check this thread again for two days.

Yes, they do swear that. Funny, such a simple thing offsetting whatever I was thinking. Rather disappointing, actually. So, here's another question: If Windrunners and Skybreakers are two sides of the same coin, is that coin Justice?

Eh, fair enough. As for the above, I feel like a lot of people believe that Skybreakers obsessively follow the Law and not what is right. This is understandable, as the only example (Speculatively) we have right now is Szeth, who put his nation`s law above what he believed to be right. However, I think this was mainly because he was told repeatedly that he had done wrong; because everything he knew was stripped from him, and he was bound- by his own Honor- to serve out his punishment. In short- He was helpless, thinking himself that he had done wrong, and that what he got was what he deserved. So, if he is given the power to make his own decisions again, I think he will become what may be the "True" Skybreaker- One who follows not the Law, but justice. (Basically, if my rambling was as incoherent as I fear, I think Skybreakers don't follow the law specifically as much as they do justice. Kinda like what a judge is supposed to be, actually.) From what I understand, the "cracking" of a soul requires significant emotional trauma. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that is what the following is based off of. From what we know of his past, Szeth somehow discovered that the Radiants and the Voidbringers were returning. This caused a massive panic in his country, and culminated in him being called a liar (To use an understatement), enslaved, and thrust out of his home. He comes from a culture where killing and wielding weapons is anathema, and only the lowest are made to kill. Thus, we can logically assume that, to him, this is a truly evil act. As such, being forced to do it - especially after all of the above- would definitely have caused enough emotional trauma to "break" him. That said, I don't believe he has a Nahel Bond, as of yet. And, considering that he now has Nightblood, he might not need it. (Which is now making me wonder how a Bond with Nightblood would work, if at all. Edit: I feel like I've made a fool of myself. You decide, though.

... I could say a lot here, but I'm going to control myself.

You've officially blown my mind. Granted. I`m pretty sure that was a bane unto itself, though, so I won`t do anything. I wish to know if that was a reference, and, if so, to what.

I'm pretty sure the fact that Szeth is almost insane is also played up. Do you really think a fighter in that state would be at his best? Especially against a soldier? I think Szeth giving up was a smaller part of it. ... Are you arguing with plot armor? "A major point in Kaladin's plot" is really not an argument for which fighter is better at their peak condition. Well, unless we're talking about ta'veren, which I HAVE predicted Kaladin will become from the way things are going. I'm not sure what you mean by "Who cares about Kal's advantage for being a KR?!" The Honorblade may do something more for Heralds or people who know how to use them properly (MAYBE! Or, you know, they may be Proto-blades which are imperfect, and have no "special powers" over regular Shardblades.) but for Szeth it acted as a normal Windrunner blade with hellishly higher Stormlight cost. Since Stormlight fuels his power, I think it DOES matter. Also, Szeth hadn't ever touched a weapon before the age of 27. So his experience with a sword is near the same. (Less, if you consider that he's not fighting nearly as much as Kal, who's a soldier.) At the end of the day, Szeth is a better fighter at his peak, no matter Kal's fancy oaths. The two were fairly well-matched in their sky-fight, even though Szeth was far from good fighting condition.

I hate to do this, but I can't stop, either... In Kal's duel with Szeth, the deciding factor was that Szeth was on the edge of insanity, and in the end gave up when he realized that all his murders could not be justified in any way, and that, had he given up the Oathstone's "Honor-bond", many lives could have been saved. Another factor was that the Kal's blade was much more efficient with Stormlight, which put Szeth at a greater disadvantage. Szeth is too experienced with his Blade to lose so simply to Kaladin. (Who, by no means, is a bad fighter- he's just not nearly as experienced.) Thinking back on this, I see that it was rather pointless. Hate, if you want.

Of course! You end up in Braize. Caught the Doctor Who reference there, btw. I wish for candy. Lots and lots of candy. DEADLY amounts, you might say.

That would definitely have been mentioned somewhere. Or maybe you're joking, and I have no sense of humor.