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Well, its kinda unimportant as the elantrian who tried would well.. kinda explode in the vacuum, but if we are to discuss it... Even space isnt 100% empty. There are background radiations and stuff, trace amounts of gas etc. Should work.

Mistborn : Marsh - the POV´s depicting his struggles with ruin did explain alot for me, and I really liked them.(this is also my all top in Brandon´s books.) Elantris : Raoden, but liked the tlal princess too WOK: Dalinar, in particul some of the visions(I really loved the one where knights radiants used the powers Szeth sais can´t be used in a shardplate while in a shardplate;) AOL - Wax.

I´m pretty sure Iv read about Brandon confirming that the Sci-fi mistborn series would include traveling to different cosmere world, but can´t find it now, so might be mistaken. I´v taken it for granted either way, perhaps prematurely. :/

This is just speculation, I have no real proof, but this is how I believed(and still believe I think;) I think the desolation where the heralds quit was the last desolation. And they do specifically say that humanity will still have the knights radiant, and that they will say that they have finaly won to explain them abandoning their posts. I think the knight radiants dissolved later. I think they where used in regular wars, not against the voidbringers, or atleast not in a desolation. I think they quit, disgusted that rulers would use them against eachothers, in petty war from conquest or simular. It sais they came back from the front in Dalinar´s vison, but I can´t remember it being mentioned what the fron was fighting. I think it was just another realm. As such, I think Odium waited with making a new desolation because the heralds stepping down gave him the chance at breaking his deal with honor, attacking him. As such, he spent a long time killing honor, meaning he didnt have time doing desolations. After that, maybe he went to deal with Aona and Skai. Then rebuilding his strength, perhaps he think hes fully built up now?

I would very much think it refers to the blades of the heralds, wich are not regular shardblades, and thus called Dawnshards. Quite likely regular shards are some sort of lesser copy of theese. Atleast 9 of theese where suposedly(?) lost when 9 of the heralds left them behind, so they can be returned. Random quote from the prologue of tWoK So returning those may very well be needed, and they are indeed plural and unused;)

Doubt there have been any dinosaurs;). Almost baseless speculation inc. Always assumed the world of Liar, where Adonalsium shattered was the world where life evolved in the Cosmere. Then the different shards choose other lifeless planets, such as Scadrial, Sel and so on, and created life there, making more worlds. Using the humanity on the "original" planet as a base. Would explain why life is somewhat simular on all the planets, instead of having one of the shards go off and make sentient flowers as the higher lifeform on one planet. So on all planets but the Liar one, life is a rather new thing as such things go, counted in thousands, possibly tens of thousands of years, but not millions.

It may not be that TLR actually had to be old. We are all to some extent creatures of habit. Those who are mentally unstable often even more so. TLR was a feruchemist before he became an allomancer. He may simply be used to spending time old if he wishes to store age, since he did that when he trained feruchemy, before he used the WoA.

And does not this sound much like what we know regarding honor/tanavast´s death? As for this I still sadly don´t have my book, but well, Atium, the physical form of Ruin, should be a very efficent use of his shard´s power. Yet, he very much want it back, as he is weaker without it. Therefor, efficent or not should not affect it. The power is invested in the world, evidence hints that the shards are unable to use it then, as Ruin cannot even find the Atium part of himself, much less use it. Preservation could perhaps get his strenght back, if he killed all life in Scadrial. But I would guess it should take time. Perhaps Sazed have gotten the power from the Atium back now, the part that Elend and his Atium misting army consumed, but there should still be much invested in the world.

So. If this is up somewhere and I missed it(tried to look for anything simular but couldent find it), well, sorry, and feel welcome to move this post there then Right. Some groundwork first. Odium Killed/destroyed atleast Aona, Skai and Tanavast/Honor. In particular the destruction of Aona and Skai is odd. sure, you could suppose that after a millennia long battle with Honor, Odium was experienced in shard combat, wich neither Aona or Skai was, and he managed to take them out because of that. Still, feels odd. I have a different suggestion. It starts with Ruin and Preservation, the shards we know most about. When Ruin and Preservation created scadrial(or atleast, life on scadrial), it states that Preservation became weaker then Ruin because he put a tiny smudgeon more of preservation then Ruin in humanity, making himself weaker, and making humanity more of Preservation then Ruin. The keyword is, more. This indicates Ruin too is weaker then he was at the start, even if he is still stronger then preservation at that point. Aona and Skai was the creators of Sel. Both weaker than before creating it. Using the above fact(well, mostly facts), my first pitiful attempt at a theory here is this: Is it possible that Honor and Cultivation created Roshar, weakening themselves, While Odium played no part in this, arriving later, being att full strength still? Is there any statements that Odium infact joined in creating the world? Perhaps the reason he is "the most dangerous" shard is not that it is more powerful, but that it is one of the few(or the only) shard that is actually at full strength, not having spent energy creating. Perhaps Sazed despite holding two shards would not be as much stronger as could be expected. Or not stronger at all. So, fairly short, feel free to rip it apart:) Don´t have my book here to doublecheck, so there may be glaring faults in it:p

Well. Half-breath might be possible. Consider the flickering of the aura of the anti-war priests daughter, when Vasher is removing her memory of being captured. Not enough to say anything for sure ofcourse, but enough to hold the possibility open, or have it been refuted elsewhere by brandon?

I always thought it was one spike that gave sentinence, and one spike that gave the increased attribute (blessing of presence, potence etc). Happyman´s make sense thou.

Well, lucky you. I need to whine. So here goes! I ordered from where I always do in sweden(called SF-bokhandeln if anyone is from here aswell). And when I did (a month or so ago), I could choose between a hardcover and a pocket version. Since they where said to arrive at the same time, and the cost difference was minimal, I took the hardcover. Now however, the pocket is in stock, but the hardcover havent arrived yet:p. Called em, they said they didnt know why it was late(it hadent arrived to them yet), but they thought(hoped) it would arrive tomorrow. So, waiting....:/

Well, The returned are splinters. What if Honor did the same, gave the heralds some of his power, they become splinters, thereby making himself weaker then Odium, same way that preservation was weaker then Ruin? Preservation could cheat and trap Ruin, ofcourse, Honour could not attack in such an unhonorable way. Aka, Odium could kill him? Just a thought, but that should be possible too right? theoretically, I suppose its possible that Odium, after he killed Honor, discovered that Ska and Aona was weakened someway aswell, and used what he learned from his fight with honor, to take out the two unprepared shards more quickly? Aona and Skai on the other hand, was likely not fighting, and as such was unexperienced in "shard to shard" combat, or perhaps they too had fallen for the temptation of infusing someone/something else with their power aswell?

I don´t think nightblood is from another shard. My point was that Endowment(the shard, not the holder) could do something that would seem to be going against it´s intent. It was not the shard itself that stopped Leras, it was his mental conditioning by the shard right? Take Vin as preservation. She could attack Ruin. She could "destroy to protect" I think was the quote straight from the book. Leras could not after holding the shard for millennia. And as it was Leras mindset, his mental conditioning if you will, that stopped him from destroying, not the shard´s magic itself, then endowments magic, controlled by someone else, someone without the conditioning, should be able to create something that goes very much against the shard´s intent. Wich would allow nightblood to wield Endowments magic(as commanded in his creation), to do something that goes against the shard´s intent, something the shard(holder) itself could not do.

My next try then;) Zas678 Its not like shards can only do theyr primary thing. As was said somewhere(not good with searching quotes;)), Both Ruin and Preservation would be able to fuel allomancy, but preservation would be better at it, since it was that shard´s power(if noone else remembers that quote, ill try agian to find it). So endowment/endownments magic should be able to power things that arnt exaktely his/her thing, just not quite as well. Right? *edit: Found the one I thought of, figured I´d better add it: "1. Both gods could, if they wanted, fuel all of the metallic arts. Preservation is stronger at fueling Allomancy, Ruin stronger at fueling Allomancy or Feruchemy when it has been given via a spike. Both are balanced when it comes to Feruchemy. But this rarely comes up in the books, as it required expending power in a way that the gods were hesitant to do."

True enough, forgot Vin´s spike in my hurry. But it felt like it fitted, damnation facts that won´t go along;) Still, even if its not read mind, there seems to be some sort of a connection between the shards and those using their magic. If Ruin had a contact with those spiked by hemalurgic spikes, should not the other shards have something simular with those who holds theyr magic? But alas, no bearing on the read mind discussion I guess .

Hello. Now, this wasent the easiest thread to follow(and I might have skipped a small part in the middle, hope that parts I will take up wasent in it;), and adding to that I also ressurect it from some month´s ago, but atleast it was still on the first page;) Just one thought. Ruin could read the mind of those with Hemalurgic spikes right? And Hemalurgy is Ruin´s power. Then, logically, Preservation should be able to read the mind of any mistborn or mistings, as allochemy was preservations power? Sazed could then do both? Quite possibly, he can also read the mind of any feruchemist, or feruchemic misting(forgot the word for it:p), as that came from both preservation and ruin right? Nightblood is more difficult. However, he was created from 1000 breaths. I wonder if that is a connection? He can pull breath´s from people while wielded. Is it possible, that he could not read the mind of a drab, one not possessing a breath? Also, would continuing to wield nightblood kill a person? It would kill Vasher, as it would drain his returned breath. But would a normal individual just become a drab? Oh well. First post, so be gentle in pulling it apart;) //dyring