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I wouldent mind 2000 pages. But then Im one of those whose only problem with say, wot book 10 was that I did not have the 11th one at the time so I could read more..... (only 95% true, I did find the perrin parts somewhat dull)

Guessing Shardblade/honorblade is a matter of, well. An old musket and an automatick rifle are boths guns. The automatic rifle is a damnation hellufalot more deadly, but still the same basic thing. Gonna bet its the same with honorblade. Its an extremely powerful shardblade. Few nice things there. Nice to know Liar of Partinel is still on the forefront. Had gotten the impression from some that it was not going to be made at all, and that felt abit sad.

I´m going just a littel bit oot here. Earlier in the thread was mentioned the range of the huge amplifier Aon, and what would happened outside. I don´t think it changed Elantrians themselves. If there was no amplifier at all, I think the strength of the Aeons would be as after Raoden found the chasm line (meaning, when he could use illusions and such). This is likely the "base strenght" of the Aeons. The strength they originally had. Then, either Aona herself(possible but somewhat unlikely), or some of the first Elantrians built the city. They understood how the Aons worked, and strengthened it. Then what happened, if there was just to few Elantrians to be a viable population, or if they dided on the same time as Aona was killed by Odium, who knows, but then the city was there for when the "second" wave of elantrians moved there and began to feel the Shaod. Personally, I don´´t think its closeness to the city. I wonder if it isnt closeness to the pool wich causes it, in combination with a genetic component (to explain why no fjordell ever encounters the shaod). Perhaps, living there enough generation, even fjordells would begin to change. Guesswork all. But how I see it.

I know Wit is hoid, I still don´t think it seems quite like a real pov. More like a description of the scene from above. at some point its from the guards wiewpoint, sometimes from Hoid. (take for example this section That don´t sound like its from Wit´s/Hoids pov, describing himself as a crazy man. Later, it starts sounding as if it was, but overall, I read it as a more... general description of a scene, not really by ways of someone´´s thoughts. But suppose I might be wrong. Parts of it sound like a pov I agree.

Check the description of the honorblade. It looks like a big shardblade. Its not a POV from Hoid there. I think its the honorblade. Its just described as a shardblade by those who does not know the difference.

The problem with this scenario is that it circumvents the quandry I have, which is the interaction of mass and power, or alternatively, the effect that two unequal powers (not mass) have on each other. Your scenario has an imbalance in the reaction because the truck weighs more (and also happens to have more power because of that weight). Because of the increased mass, it transmits more power (or force) and is not pushed back as far because of its increased mass. Sorry, I did not read your original post well enough, or I would have answered differently Mainly, my metaphor was not great, it would perhaps be better like this?: Elend, being a stronger Allomancer pushes faster/harder. It might make decent sense to think of it as speed instead. A car comes in 50 km/h.(Inquisitor) Another, 90 km/h.(Elend) Same weight on both cars. When their pushes both hit the coin, Elends weight/push hits the coin in 90km/h, met by the inquisitors at 50km/h. Its not quite right, as a continuing push means the cars are continuing to accelerate during the "accident", but the thought of weight hitting with a higher speed might make more sense anyway? Another way of writing it would be that higher allomantic strength means Elend´s push throws his weight against the coin more often. Maybe say, 10 times/second, while the inquisitor only sends his weight against the coin 5 times/second. Or a computer wich can do 1 trillion calculations every second. Another computer got the same amount of processors(weight), still making 1 trillion calculations, but a higher frequency(allomantic strength), making them twice every second. Same thing as the two cars, but might make my point come through better. (know full well people may not agree with me, but realized I didnt get my point through well enough so you could know what to agree or disagree with

I saw it like this: Consider a lorry crashing with a car. Both driving 90 km/h, head on crash. The car will not only hit a dead stop, but start going backwards at a high speed. (it will feel like a crash in 150-ish km/h) The lorry will just slow to maybe 60-ish. It will feel like a crash in 30-ish km/h. Same with Elend and the inquisitor. Elend´s status as a lerasium mistborn(the lorry) makes him hit the inquisitor(the car) as if he weighed several times more. Thats my thought;)

Silly topic. Wich naturally means I can´t stay away Vasher would be more suitable as Thor. An awakened sword will do as a replacement for Mjolnir, and while he´s not as super-powerful himself awakened clothing will make up for that atleast partly;) I´d consider Raoden for Iron man. Iron man is the multi-purpose tool, a whole lot of different gadgets. Aeon´s will do for that, can do most stuff. They being somewhat slow compared to other magic´s will in a way be simular as Iron man being a weakling without his armour.

Also, Dakhor uses metal swords. An unarmed dakhor vs a mistborn then, cause the metal would be gone. He might have a chance in melee if he gets his hands on an obsidian axe or something. But unarmed? Kiin could kill one with a huge battleaxe. Betting flared pewter will put them on equal grounds. Thou its possible you could boost a dakhor monk much further by adding more powers. But we don´t know that yet.

Regarding feruchemy. Three questions, not really connected but touching on the same thing. 1. When a feruchemical ability is stolen by a hemalurgic spike, and is left outside of the body for some time, what aspect of it becomes weaker? (would love if there was an example in the answer, say with health or weight or something) 2. When you store a feruchemical attribute in a metalmind, where is the power stored, actually in the metal, in the metals spiritual self, or elsewhere? 3. If Homer the feruchemist stores strength in a pewtermind, and Bart the evil hemalurgist then spikes him and steals strength, will Bart be able to use Homer´s stored strenght from his metalmind?

Just wondering, in the "send attribute forward in time" theory, how do you know how far to send it? or how do you call it back? I mean, you don´t know when your going to need it at the time you store it. Do you mean it is sent forward in time to an unspecified point, then called back somehow whenever used or?

Millennium: Ill repeat what I wrote earlier Inquisitors needing additional rest is not a rumor. Its a fact, wich is described several times in the book, not only on March, but also in a POV from Kar. They get exhausted much faster then regular persons even without any storing of feruchemy. And on another point, I cannot recall having seen anything indicating that a beginner feruchemist can store less then a well trained one. If you got anything indicating this, please put it forward.

If it is not stored in the metal, how come it behaves differently when it is compounded? And how could Vin sense Sazed´s power when she tried to burn it? Also, there are quite a number of big hints that you can by ways of identity steal other peoples metalminds. And regarding fueling it, Feruchemy is half preservation, half ruin. How would ruin go about fueling Feruchemy for a "real" feruchemist then?

I don´t have a problem with Kurkistans way of seeing it. Not sure if I agree with it without considering it abit longer but it makes sense. My explanation was never perfect, frankly it was more a case of that being the best I could come up with as I considered the "low limit" explanation faulty

Ok. Ill need to think on some parts, but one thing I wish to object to immidiately. 3 problems Ill take up now. First: I assume we both agree that a feruchemist can store all of his weight? (consider Sazed at the Inquisitor base, it is written that the heaviest thing on him was the thin metalminds) If you could store all your weight, why should you only be able to store health to 50%, or 75%, or whereever the realistic level is? Answer - Because storing more would either mean your sure to catch a disease making you haveto spend more health healing, or simply kill you. Theoretically, you could surely store 100% health - But you´d die. So then, if your theory on decay was thrue, it would not make a difference on health, as for example a 20% decay would happend in the region where noone could store anyway. Second: Compounding. If you could not store more then a certain amount of health, how could TLR, or Miles hundredlives, store the health they compounded? As you explain it, it is impossible for anyone to store more that your max health. so when Miles burned his own metalmind to compound it, the fact that he gets 10 times the health back would not matter - he could only store 50, or 75%, or whereever the limit would be for a "real" feruchemist. The rest would then go to waste. It doesent make sense that there is such a limit. To tkae weight again, the only reason someone weighing 100 KG can´t store more then 100 is that there is nothing to draw from after that. If there was an elantrian drawing an AEon for triple weight on Sazed lasting for an hour, he could most likely store 300 KG, and then be three times as heavy for an hour afterwards. I cannot see there being a hard limit downwards when there isnt one upwards. Third: Inquisitors resting. In the end of mistborn, when March, Vin and Sazed talks, Marsh have been awake for a few hours and Vin is considering that he already seems to be tireing greatly. He havent been storing anything there, yet he still needs to rest after only a few hours. That indicates that inquisitors need to rest more then regular people for more reasons than just to fill their metalminds.

I could add Trudi Canavan too, The black magician triology. (1.The Magicians’ Guild, 2.The Novice 3.The High Lord), Simularily to Mistborn it got a female main char... wich I have found useful when trying to get female friends to like fantasy. Rather easy read thisone.

Ehm I know wich quote you meant, but I don´t see it as a problem. It was thisone He answered there to correct the misbelief of someone who thought 100 times slower while storing for an hour = 100 times faster for an hour, when its rather like half speed taken = half speed gained, percent, not multiplying. Or to make it clearer, Ill set an example with weight. If you weigh 100 kg, and store 90 kg for 1 hour, you can pull 90 kg extra for one hour. Not as that person thought, if you made yourself 10 times light for 1 hour, you could make yourself 10 times heavier for one hour. So that answere don´t really handle my thought, rather one part kinda helps me. This part: That hints that the theoretical max is that you can give up all your speed. I know I suck at explaining my points clearly, but Ill try again Two twins, identical in every way exept that one is a ferring, able to store weight. Both weight 100 KG. If the ferring stores all his weight for an hour, he can then make himself weight 200 kg for one hour. The ferring is spiked, and the ability given to his twin brother (and for good measure the spike is left out of his body for awhile) - Windrunner believes the twin will then only be able to store 80 %(or so) of his weight, during his our of storage, and then gets 80 extra KG´s for an hour. This means no power is lost, wich is not in line with what hemalurgy is about. its about power being lost. - I believe the twin can store 100% of his weight, weighing 0 kg for an hour, but when he uses the weight he´ll only get 80%, as the the rest is lost due to the hemalurgic decay. This way power is actually lost, as is the way with Hemalurgy. (and windrunner, If I missunderstood you please correct me:)

Windrunner: But your way of seeing it, limiting the amount you can store, wouldent that then to make sense also limit the amount you can take out? Making them unable to heal as quickly. Or pull to much strength? And I´v never sen anything indicating such a limit, rather the opposit. Everything we´we seen have indicated that there are no limits to amounts neither when storing, nor pulling out. The limit in storing health for example, I believe not to be a hard one, but rather that after a certain point you´d die if you stored more. Would you agree on theese examples? A healthy man can store more health then a sick man. A strong man can store more strength then a weak man. A young man can store more age then an old man. Your way of seeing it would be as if hemalurgic decay for an allomancer wouldent affect strenght, but how long you can keep burning a metal. Or to use hemalurgy to make another example, A hemalurgist would be unable to lessen his weight anywhere near 0. He would be unable to use it to increase his age very far for disguise. Or a hemalurgic twinborn pewter/strenght or pewter/gold would be unable to store more health or more strength then a simple hemalurgic strength ferring, or gold ferring. It just doesent make sense for me to limit it in that manner. The easiest measurement of a feruchemist´s strenght is the quality of the transformation. the strenght they get for strength, that there is no or very little energy loss. Hemalurgy causes energy loss. Your way causes no energy loss, just slower storing. My way of seeing it on the other hand, causes energy loss, just as all hemalurgy does.

Also, I may have missunderstood how you meant there, but if I didnt, as I understand it, while a feruschemist may be able to store 50 % health for example, going around at 50%, the Inquisitor would walk around at 50% aswell.. but only 25% would get stored. Not that he could only lessen his own health to 75% and then store 25%. Just how I understood it ofcourse, but makes more sense I think. I would also not be surprised if there is actually feruchemists of different strength. Not that there are any known proof, but that too seems likely. As regarding shardblades, would be such an utter waste to spike for a shard. If they have some other ability spike them for that, otherwise just kill em, and pick up the sword as it drops... and you won´t haveto spike yerself nor have any decay.

This would have large implications on spacetravel for the last trilogy, but propably mostly negative? For example you would then not be able to have a bubble inside the ship making time go slower for those inside(primitive cryosleep) unless you make it isolated somehow. You couldent put a bubble on the engine to speed it up, making it give much more thrust then it normally would, again, unless there was some way to make it hang free, and so on.

Well, to not swamp with all the books from any one author for start, but leaving some "extras" for later when/if some author becomes really popular, Here are a few of my suggestions. Mistborn trilogy and Elantris from Brandon. LOTR and Bilbo from Tolkien Tigana/Guy Gavlriel Kay(not certain on the spelling on his name;) Magician - Raymond E Feist. The Belgariad /D. Eddings(mostly for slightly younger readers, I loved it once, don´t really like it now Colour of magic/The Light Fantastic by Terry Pratchet. The Heritage of Shannara /Terry Brooks (not technically the start of the series, but oh well) Waylander and/or Legend/David Gemmel.(His books are all standalone, personally I like theese 2 the best. Wheel of time/Robert Jordan

I read most of Hobbs books, but not a clue why. Can´t stop once I started I supose. I was really disapointed by them, feels like half the book is the main character whining in a depressing manner:p. The ones Iv liked the least among the book(s) I´v finished I think.

It is uncommon with a fat protagonist I guess. Still felt odd to have a fat character who was suposedly very poor and if I remember right often got no food, combined with him seemingly doing much of the work, including scavenging wich meant walking about alot. I kinda wonder if there was magic calories in that book aswell;) I thought it was ok, worth reading but not one of my favorites.

Havent forgotten this old thing, and I´d like to add a piece from today´s online Q&A with Brandon here on the site. Not proof of the theory, but proves one of my assumptions wich I used to set the base, that they were of somewhat equal strength to begind with, and "the most dangerous shard" isnt due to pure base strength:). I´v considered one thing about shard strength, when reading theories on among other things the "power of creation" on here. I haveint finished considering this, but writing it anyway, so there may be even bigger holes then normally;) Im thinking there are two types of strength/power for shards, wich one need to keep differentiated. Pure strength, wich feeds their actions cannot run out. This is the "power of creation" so to speak. I believe this is unlimited, something a part of the shards, cannot run out. However, there is likely the shards strength in terms of the amount they can channel at a time. To use a metaphor, think of the different between Elend, a Lerasium mistborn, Vin, and Kelsier who in turn was weaker that Vin(in purely strength terms. A shard not having weakened themself by putting some of their power in Humanity, (or having it leached away by the pits of Hathsim or simular) would be Elend. Ruin, having used some would be Vin, while Preservation would be Kelsier. Having unlimited metals(metals being the power of creation in this metaphor) the unweakened shard would be able to push harder, despite the power being unlimited. Does that make any sort of sense?

Hello! Im not quite as... deep into the workings as some here, but hoping my question makes sense(And I´v atleast tried to find the answer elsewhere but not succeded;). Anyway, just one question! Regarding the mixing of Feruchemy and Allomancy. A coinshot able to store weight can, as you showed us with Wax push in a ridiculously powerful manner, as the weight/mass is the largest factor wich controls the push strength. I´m wondering if the same can be done with soothing(or rioting). If you where to increase your identity, that may/should increase your emotional imprint(or whatever you might call it), would your soothings/riotings become wastly more powerful in a simular way as weight makes steelpushing more powerful? And if it does, is this how the lord ruler improved his Sooting in such a spectacular fasion?