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And what Im saying is that according to Sanderson himself the appearance of the number 10 is not his "default" number by any stretch, rather it has meaning and significance to Roshar specifically. Cosmere-wide the default Number of Significance is 16. Ten is definitely going to show up in other places because, you know, people use numbers, but outside of Roshar the it's just a 23 Enigma.
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If you are just saying that the Number 10 was mentioned in the Era1 text, then sure because the discovery of the 11th was a major plot point. But Im not sure I see your point? We have WOB that it was just an in-world misunderstanding and not Cosmere significant, and we have another that 10 is only significant in the Rosharan system.
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There has to be a limit somewhere, and I strongly suspect it's going to be tied up in Perception (ie Cognitive hoodoo) of what is actually metal or not. Thanks to the periodic table we have a massively expanded idea of what materials can be called metals, but if we follow that to it's natural conclusion and we're basically saying that Allowmancy can affect any mineral, which while possible I think you'd need the buying of the collective Subconscious of Scardrials population. Otherwise all ceramics, gems, and all stone would all qualify because all will have significant metallic elements. For that matter, by the same virtue holding Investiture in Alumunim-based Gems shouldnt be possible. And while I know we've been told a mistborn can push on individual parts and pieces, to say they can change how a material focus behaves by selectively targeting one element of its chemical make-up implies that they could do the same to get the effect of pure elements from the alloys. Which I adamnantly dont think they can do, or all the Alloy Specificity concepts fall apart.
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The metals at least are confirmed by WOB to just be a combination of in-world misunderstanding with active misinformation from the Lord Ruler, so there's no larger significance there. Thats a lot of why Leras tried to use the number 16 as a clue to the people, and why it didnt really work (because they didnt know enough of the wider cosmere to recognize it).
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Per WOB 16 is a Significant Number across the cosmere, 10 is Significant specifically within the Rosharan System (though he said Braize is uniquely 9-centric), and there is significant recurrence of the number Five surrounding Nalthis. Each Order has an associated Essence, gem etc, and each displays a corresponding "glow" color to their Stormlight, plate, etc. Windrunners are Blue/Saphhire, for example, and we saw the pattern hold true for the other Orders that were shown in the Visions. https://coppermind.net/wiki/Ten_Essences
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Why doesn't Kelsier need Investiture to manifest stuff?
Quantus replied to Oltux72's topic in Cosmere Discussion
Ah, so it is. Sad, I was hoping to find real evidence of abstract concepts or ideas manifesting as 'physical' objects in Shadesmar, so far spren are the main example, but I dont still dont fully understand what materials the Spren built things from. -
I came across a WOB that I have a question about: The footnote says that this WOB is contradicting another that said the burned metals return to the Planet. Does anyone know which WOB that is referring to? The closest I can find is THIS ONE that says the "Power" returns to the planet, which I thought was taking about the Investiture returning to the originating Shard the same way used Breaths or Stormlight are confirmed to do. Is there another WOB that the footnote is referring to? If not, is there still a contradiction given our current understanding of things (since this WOB is from 2012)?
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Why doesn't Kelsier need Investiture to manifest stuff?
Quantus replied to Oltux72's topic in Cosmere Discussion
Where is it that Wyndle mentions a collection of Chairs? -
Why doesn't Kelsier need Investiture to manifest stuff?
Quantus replied to Oltux72's topic in Cosmere Discussion
Related detail that I recently discovered and am really intrigued by: Wyndle didnt say literally he gardened inanimate objects, he said "Cryptics and Honorspren alike came to see the crystals I grew from the minds of your world". Now, that could easily be him just describing all cognitive aspects (beads, flames, etc) as "minds" of the mortal world. But given how abstract and conceptual most of the spren-related things are, I think he might instead be saying that the crystals are them Cultivating Ideas from mortal minds; that they are essentially acting as muses that cultivate Dreams and Concepts and whatnot from and/or within living minds. It would go some way to explaining the odd detail where some crystals where monochrome while others where colored, and we know from WOBs that there is some unrevealed cosmere significance to Color. -
Agreed, she got a lot better at non-contact Soulcasting during the battle in OB, and she said at the time it was because the realmic barriers were thinner at the time. Combine this with the mentioned but unexplained ability of Elsecallers to locate a person in the Physical Realm by using the Cogntive somehow, and it's possible that Elsecaller are (at the upper limits of power, presumably) able to soulcast anyone from anywhere by summoning their Congnitve aspect through Shadesmar, since the location of an object and it's bead/flame do not usually have to match or need to, though they tend to drift toward each other.
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mistborn Looking for tattoo design based on Mistborn series
Quantus replied to AndreaC's topic in Sanderson Fan Works
Not bad. Im a fan of the Harmonium symbol myself. -
emperors soul The Emperor's new soul
Quantus replied to Honorless's topic in Elantris and Emperor's Soul
No, that's not at all what I was thinking, but lets come back to taht, it's interesting. I was just theorizing that since Forgery is the best for making very subtle, comprehensive, and/or detailed changes to the Spiritweb, while Soulcasting is far more brute force but imposes a much more powerful and permanent Change, perhaps Forgery could be used first to create the new template, then a Soulcaster could come behind the Forger and convince that new template to become the Permanent state so that the Forgery no longer needs to be maintained (letting the target worldhop with the changes, etc). The idea is that Forgery is a language detailed enough to make all those subtle tweaks, but the way it executes on the Spiritweb leave the Spiritweb straining against those changes, the same way tweaking your age on scadrial takes more and more Investiture to maintain, or else you hyper-age back to where you should be. By contrast, with Soulcasting it's far harder to make those subtle changes because the Soulcaster has to conceive and hold all the details of those changes mentally all at once and then convince the Cognitive aspect of the target to accept them. But if the Changes have already been put in place by Forgery, maybe the Soulcaster can come behind the Forger and just say to the Cog Aspect "Hey, this is a pretty awesome way to be, isnt it? You really want to stay this way all the time, right?" They dont need to personally understand or even consciously know what changes happened, they just need to provide the Target Spiritweb the energy/Investiture to lock an existing change in place. It might take some Connection Shenanigans the way Now, to what you said about Lightweavers and Soulcasting, Im interested. What do you mean? IM very interested in any theories on that particualr Lightweaver ability. Soulcasting is definitely not like an FMA-style Alchemy where you are rearranging atoms, if that's what you mean. We've seen first-hand that it relys on realmic communication to the Cognitive aspect and re-defining them at that point, and we also know that does not always obey mass-conservation, for example turning corpses to statues instead onserves Volume and makes statues of the same size and shape but significantly heavier matierals. -
mistborn Looking for tattoo design based on Mistborn series
Quantus replied to AndreaC's topic in Sanderson Fan Works
Ive no artistic ability personally, but there's a lot of cool resources on the wiki, the various runic alphabets in particular might be useful to you: https://coppermind.net/wiki/Steel_alphabet https://coppermind.net/wiki/Feruchemy#/media/File:Feruchemical_table.jpg -
emperors soul The Emperor's new soul
Quantus replied to Honorless's topic in Elantris and Emperor's Soul
Oh, 100%. It's a sustained effect so (with Realmic steps taken, which few if any in-world know and none of us do) the effect would end if he left the area, let alone the planet. Though for what it's worth, I do think that normal spiritual healing (F-Gold, Regrowth, etc) would have a good chance of restoring his original self, though not the improved version. Though I wonder if Soulcasting could be used to make the Forgery Permanent, without the Soulcaster needing to have the same conscious, detailed understanding of the process and goals the way a Forger needs. Maybe the FOrger could make the Changes and then Soulcasting can be used to simply anchor it in place? -
emperors soul The Emperor's new soul
Quantus replied to Honorless's topic in Elantris and Emperor's Soul
Oooh, think is a juicy question. I think when the story beings he's a mutilated but still living human being. But since he never actually died and the Forgery and/or ReSealing are not sustaining his life in any way, I dont think he'd be described as a Cognitive shadow, at best he's a modified person more like a Kolos. The way I see it is that the Forgery used on him is basically like other Cosmere Healings (F-Gold etc) but instead of using the Platonic Ideal that exists in the Spiritual Realm, the Forger is basically writing their own counterfeit Ideal Self for the target. It requires continuous Investiture to sustain the change because the person's Spiritweb knows what it's actually supposed to be like (just like That's why it takes Investiture to sustain it, but also why it's known that constant use over a long period of time can make it more permanent, because (I theorize) the exposure to Investiture it warping the spiriweb savant style, but really just cramming it into the new but very similar shape dictating by the Stamp. -
Yup, I dont indeed think you could theoretically never need sleep the same way cadmium or bendalloy compounding should make you never need to breath (even though your body needs to purge CO2) or eat (though Im curious if you also dont poop?). Feruchemy normally is just storing/retrieving things as Investiture but the natural processes are still kept involved and balanced, but Compounding should entirely supplement that, so all the "repairs" that sleep accomplish would be done by the investiture (not unlike Gold in some ways).
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What are you playing right now?
Quantus replied to Link Von Kelsier Harvey's topic in Entertainment Discussion
Finished up Death Stranding, which for what amounts to a Hiking Simulator with ghosts was surprising amount of fun, particularly setting up the zip-line networks. I got back into Breath of the Wild over the holiday to play through the DLC quests, but now Im fighting my wife for Switch time thanks to her acquisition of Pokemon Shield, so Ive gotten the Motorcycle Divine Beast but still have the Master Quest and some item item upgrades to complete. This spring Im looking forward to the new Minecraft patch and Ark Genesis, but those are the main things on my radar. -
Does he describe it as literal physical strength? I read that as him feeling allomantically stronger, and attributed it to him clearly having the direct Favor of Harmony/Preservation the way Vin did, where the mists could be directed to supplement her a bit. Though the idea that there is a literal if minor effect from a nearly spent spike is interesting, though I'd have to look close at the scenes in question, I thought Wax didnt wear the earring most of the time. To the OP, we know per WOB that spikes never loose 100% of their charge, and that the decay is like half-life, so the loss is extremely dramatic in the first few seconds but slows down more and more and the power is lost. It was dramatic enough that inquisitors didnt let the spike sit out of blood or a host for whole seconds if they could avoid it, and givent hat Wax's spike has quite possiblly been passed around for decades or centuries, I doubt it has enough charge left to grant any tangible effects (other than Harmony's contact/access).
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Why doesn't Kelsier need Investiture to manifest stuff?
Quantus replied to Oltux72's topic in Cosmere Discussion
I think so, absolutely. WOB says Cognitive Shadows happen when the "ghost" has some amount of investiture that lets them linger longer than they'd normally be able to stick around, and that this is a typical function of the Cosmere, where more sapient creatures innately have more investiture and thus have more of a window before they are forced Beyond. Kelsier himself was already more Invested than most being a Mistborn but was still about to get swept Beyond before Leras Invested in him enough to let him stay. But my understanding is that the same granted Investiture is what was sustaining him, much like how Returned need to burn Investiture Fuel to maintain their cognitive shadow states. If he used it up before he found any more, the effect would end and he'd be forced back into his original death process. That difference would be entirely philosophic and unable to be tested even by the shards, so Im not sure it makes any difference; it's literally the same as our world debating whether we "disappear" or have an afterlife. Though I do agree it would be the same thing, they wouldnt be denied the Beyond when they'd otherwise get there, or anything like that. -
Are you a squire of a Radiant or of a Bond?
Quantus replied to Oltux72's topic in Cosmere Discussion
There is definitely a Bond involved with squires because they grant actual, functional powers that are reliant on the physical proximity of the primary Radiant. That latter makes me think that the Squire-hood is functioning more in the Cognitive realm than the Spiritual one, but I could be wrong. We dont have datapoints either way, but I dont think any additional powers/Connections that the primary Radiant has themselves would transfer to the squires, as they would be separate Connections. So squires wouldnt mimic any other abilities, including the Aviar bond, the Mistborn Connection to preservation, or even the Connection to Nalthis that seems to allows a person to Awaken. Another possible example would be that Kaladin could get his hands on an Honorblade of some other order, and even though there forms a (shallower) Connection that provides those abilities, his Windrunner squires would not (I assume) gain the 2nd Order's surges. -
There may not be a single clean WOB that uses both terms, this is the part he mentioned about needing a base understanding of Realmic mechanics. just about everything in the spiritual realm are just types of Connection, in the same way that Physical DNA is just a bunch of chemical/molecular Connections ("Bonds"). The Nahel Bond is a Connection, as are things like your Age (per this WOB). Mistborn and Mistings are confirmed to function via a spiritual Connection to Preservation (specifically, not Ruin), and this is a big part of how the "Compounding Hack" is described as working. What is still Theory is what Lerasium's "true" function is, since we've been told that creating Mistborn/Mistings is actually a side effect and/or misuse of the metal. The prevailing theory (that is all but confirmed with the WOB below) is that Lerasium will create a permanent Connection to the shard of whatever God-metal it is alloyed with, and the side effect is that it defaults that Connection to Preservation when there is no other Shard's godmetal provided as a target.
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Hehe, Im just the opposite, I am very motivated to work on this project, no wait that project, no wait that shiny new thing. It's all very strong and motivated, but sometimes rudderless.
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Likely that means you both have above average amounts of "Brown Fat" which converts stored energy directly to heat at the cell (rather than normal shiver-based heating). Some genomes that are adapted to cold climates see that trait (Siberian natives being the topic of the documentary I saw).
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In the topic of hobbies, I have a lot of skills that are useless now but are one zombie-outbreak away from being awesome. This is everything from metalwrok (smithing, casting etc) to small scale livestock farming and from scratch bread-making to energy beam weapons out of junkyard parts (as soon as they start to rise, get your hands on as many microwave ovens as you can, thank me later...) Im working on getting usable metal from Ore right now. There are tons of these Primative Technology youtube channels, they are awesome
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Assuming you can do whatever needs to be done to get your Spren off-world and also find some source of Investiture to fuel it, there shouldnt be anything stopping the process itself. You arent communing with "Beads", you are communing with the Thing's Cognitive aspect, which on Roshar happen to look like Beads or Flames (Soulcasting works on both) so you would just be communing with whatever the local form of Cognitive Aspects are. I could see the need for the Soulcaster in question to somehow Re-learn that Communing step to work with the new, local forms, but that's the sort of thing I would expect you could get from a Connection just like the local Language, and I strongly suspect that is precisely what you'd need to do to get the spren off-world in the first place. The next question is how easy it is to get a Soulcasting Fabrial off-world, is it easier or does the trapped spren have the same restrictions? Honorblades have no trapped spren, would they be easier to get off-world, or is their Nature too saturated by Honor himself?
