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Ah, found it. Nope, that one is the whole face too. I really dont think there were any instances of Eyes-only with her. And like @RShara pointed out the physical descriptions dont match, and Shalash doesnt have a Shardblade.

Ah, you're right. There wasnt a painting at all in Azir that I can find, though there was a bronze statue that Lift noticed had had it's whole face destroyed. As far as I recall (also what's included in the Coppermind) is the bronze statue in Azir (destroyed face), the painting in Emul (destroyed completely), the statue at the same place (destroyed face) and the painting that Mraize used as bait, which they said she "attacked" and "destroyed" with a knife but dont actually specify which specific parts (or all).

Nope, she "took a knife from her bundle and slashed the painting down the front" then she went to work on the face of a statue with a mallet. Useful tidbit in that scene though: Her men describe her aslways wearing a thin sword on her hip, and she mentions that "Perhaps I should get myself a Shardblade, [...] But it might make this too easy." She doesnt seem to care about her Muscle's opinions enough to actively lie about it, so I think that all but confirms that she doesnt have a Shardblade like Liss does.

In every instance I can think of she destroyed the entire face, not just the eyes. Can you point to an eyes-only example? I think @Govir's point was that Szeth saw Ash at the end of OB, and would have recognized her as Liss (whom he served shortly before the Singer's got him). Though to your point, even if he didnt notice, Jasnah was given that Drawing of Shallash by Hoid and she recognized it as outing her Herald-ness. If she'd had a pre-existing relationship with Jasnah, that scene wouldnt make near as much logical sense.

Under normal circumstances the Command used is what determines the amount of Breaths to be used in the effect, and unlike Allomancy the breaths are not normally burned up. That being the case, the way I see it there are several possibilities: They get a massive Burst-like increase to their Heightenings, but in doing they expend/use-up/lose all their breaths, leaving them a Drab. Same as above but it doesnt burn their own native Breath. It only works while they are actively Awakening something, and forces them to include ALL their breaths whether the Command would call for it or not. This Might cause some sort of Increased effect of the Command, or it could just be a pure waste. Tactically that could still be useful, if you hit somebody with it while they were making a Lifeless they'd loose all their breaths and be unable to reclaim them from the identity lock. It might make some sort of super-Invested Lifeless at the same time (Im assuming they'd be using the 1-Breath version of the Command). It doesnt affect the use/flow of Breaths at all (they remain usable and recoverable), but it does cause a Burst that drains all available Color in the Area, preventing further awakening.

You cant do it in the Physical Realm because they arent native, but you can in Shadesmar where they have their own native forms and substance. There was a WOB to this effect (strongly supported but didnt outright confirm, if I recall correctly) but I cannot find it at the moment, sorry.

As a general statement, "Reality" in the cosmere is something that primarily emanates from the Spiritual Realm, so a programming language of Reality is going to be able to manipulate any of the aspect that make it up, including the Spiritual ones. There might be practical limits to how they can use it since the actual Power source is (uniquely) in the Cognitive Realm rather than the Spiritual one, so for example it might take a lot of work to make Dor magics implement Spiritual Healing, as opposed to the very cognitive ReSealing which is more a physical manipulation where you need to accurately know the placement of every blood vessel and sinew. But I think that's more a matter of the system's easily accessed (ie default) operations that would be surmountable with enough Realmic understanding, just like how Soul-casting defaults to the Essences but can be infinitely flexible with enough knowledge and understanding.

I dont know about that, given that Hoid still managed it while the embargo was in effect, and we've seen that he hasnt yet bypassed the use of Perpendicularities. It's equally possible that it was hidden/shielded somehow, or even simply guarded by something impassable (possibly with fangs and claws). As far as I know that hasnt been confirmed anywhere, though I do like the theory. I dont think it would work for most of the shards, because as you say the emergence of a shardpool and godmetal have so far been described more as natural and unavoidable processes, so I dont know that a Shard could stop it whiel still being Invested. But Autonomy is unique, and maybe the way that theShard's power is (seeminly) distributed across a bunch of Hosts on a bunch of different worlds prevents any single location from being Invested enough to form a Perpendicularity there. Which would also explain how there is an Avatar present on Taldain but it still doesnt qualify as a Major shardworld.

That's an interesting possibility! If that is the case, then flairing it could very likely cross the line into tangible effect, and inhibit any ability that relies on (or benefits from) a thinning of those barriers. Meaning a sufficiently strong copper-cloud might be able to block Soulcasting, Elscalling, and possibly even Spiritual Healing.

This topic came up in another thread recently, in context of using Forgery with Allomancy. Where it landed is that it would be far, FAR easier (and thus more Investiture efficient) to attempt to forge the history of your own acquisition of the metal, as opposed to the metal's actual stellar origin (which in the Cosmere may or may not have been a natural Process). So rather than rewriting history so that the star produced a chunk of Iron instead of Lead, you just rewrite your own history of a certain shopping trip to the mineral supply store so that you bought something different. So long as the store stocked both, you might be able to make the change with only a few days worth of temporal ret-con rather than the literal Billions of years. And that's assuming that star was natural and not Created like Scadrial or so much of the Rosharan system. If you tried to retcon the actual creation of Metals on Scadrial, for example, you will eventually be trying to directly manipulate the Investiture working of not one but Two full Shards, which Forgery may simply be unable to overcome.

I lean strongly toward it being a reference to one of the planets in the Threnodite system, though maybe not Threnody itself. We know that Ambition was killed "mortally wounded" in the empty space of the system, so it would make a lot of sense for the Shard's "body" to have fallen to one of the planets/moons. Fwiw I also tend to think that's referring to a huge stash of the Shard's physical Investiture (aka a shardpool or godmetal stash) rather than the literal corpse of the Vessel that drops when they die (as seen in Mistborn). If I had to guess I would actually say the body fell on Purity, based purely on the fact that it is the oddball out in both location, size, and confirmed significant Naming Convention.

Precisely. It is entirely possible for a person's physical needs to be supported by Investiture, and to me it feels more likely when you are talking about a Cognitive Shadow that is possessing a physical host-form. That being said it would be kind of a perk (rather than a core function) and not guaranteed by any means, so for now I think it could go either way with the Fused. I could see them needing to support their hosts normal needs for air and heat and food/water, but I could also see their possession bypassing those needs and fueling them with Investiture that is sourced in Odium. I could also see it being both and neither, with the fused seeing the Singer body as an entirely disposable Sleeve that they should be maintaining but may not always bother with (particularly the extra-crazy ones).

I think this all boils down to the idea that you see the war with the spren as somehow avoidable, I do not, so Im not sure we'll agree on this. To my mind the real question is which is easier: defeating the Humans and spren while they are still separate, or defeating them once they have united and re-formed a large-scale Radiant force? Meanwhile, the spren very much rely on a human/mortal presence to maintain shademar itself on Roshar, and have at least as much to loose by Odium ripping his Invested Essence from the planet. Which to say nothing for what would happen to them when he killed Cultivation and (presumably) shoved her Investiture into Shadesmar the way he did on Sel. Basically, it sounds like you think he has a reasonable chance of fighting the humans' war to completion before he'd even have to turn his attention to the Spren. But his ultimate goal is the closest thing to a unified Leader of the Spren (Cultivation). Personally, I think he has a better chance of getting at her through Shadesmar than the PR, but frankly both wars are secondary to his actual goal, barring specific functional details of the Oathpact that he'd need to address.

It's not that there is an advantage or not, that would imply that war with the Spren was somehow avoidable or uninvolved with his goals. This is a war on two fronts and against what are still two (or more) separate forces, but his end goal is the destruction of Cultivation and then Roshar itself when he rips himself free of it. He's already at war with them, and ignoring them would be a huge mistake on his part. So he's ocucpying their cities, keeping their races from badnign together like they had previously, and doing what he can to control what is literally, objectively the largest existing stash of Power of his true Enemy (Cultivation). Ignoring Shademar in his war effort would be like fighting a continental war and entirely ignoring the Sea, which means you have already lost the naval side of the fight. What Search are you talking about? If he is smart he will care about winning the war, which means controlling all the potential wildcards. Currently we know that Nalthian Worldhoppers have come and gone, we know there are Kandra there, hints at a potential Dragon, The Ghostbloods are an active Worldhopper Organization that is meddling, Gavilar and the Sons of Honor are trying to get Realmic travel working on their own which could open up Braize potentially, or even open up Ashyn and it;'s Disease Magic in an extreme turn of events. Separate from that, it's one of only two actual sources of Stormlight, which is quite likely also one of the two places spren can go to make new spren. And that's assuming that he cannot pull Investiture Corrupting Shenanigans by controlling what is essentially the more stable of the two wellsprings of Investiture for the whole world; I can imagine all kinds of potential shenanigans that could be pulled by an Unmade that is parked right on top of a Perpendicularity's Cognitive Self. If the CR is the lens that projects the SR Truth as the Physical, inserting an UnMade there sounds like a Very Bad Thing.

We dont actually know, mostly because we havent yet seen details of how they fuel any of their ability, so tehy could be directly sustained by Odium at this point. On the other hand, it's been described as a severe form of the Spren Forms of a Singer, and in those cases they always still need to support the physical needs of the Singer body. On the other other hand, it actually evicts the Soul of the original, so maybe they are sustained more like a Lifeless? Even those degrade/rot over time, though Odium doesnt seem much interested in their longevity so they may have always been designed for the short term use of host bodies. Separately, Im not actually clear on whether normal, non-Returned people of the Fifth Heightening still need to eat since they are said to be functionally immortal too. The Returned not needing food could be an extension of the 5th Heightening immortality rather than their Cog Shadow nature.

I personally really dont think so, because Odium's first offer specifically addressed generations, when he offered to perserve Mr T's family which he defined as "anyone within two generations of you." The fact that he didnt include that in the next offer, instead changing it to those immediately born or married into it, makes me think it's specifically not extending as far into the family tree.

Nothing Vorin, I like to read too much and dont want to have to sell myself into religious slavery to do it. Shinovar sounds appealing for the familiarity food and ecosystem, but they also sound like a hyper controlling theocracy, which is never appealing to me. The Horneater Peaks sound cool but maybe it's just that Rock sounds cool... still, they value food over War, which is a very good start. Reishi Islands have a similarly bloodless war style (for the humans anyway), but I dont know that I wasnt to live that tribal. Truth is I want a place that is reasonably developed, that lets me be a scholar without being a Priest-slave, ideally a fabrial-tech engineer or something equally realmic. In the past era it could have been almost any of the Silver kingdoms (as far as I know anyway) but in the modern era I think Id my best bet would be to settle in Shadesmar itself, maybe at one of the Honrspren or Cultivationspren cities. They did say there wer humans that settled in them.

I really dont think he needs the perpendicularity to transition his own forces, at least not since the Everstorm, but Control of the Perpendicularity controls the only stable source of Stormlight for the spren population in Shadesmar, which I have to assume is an important resource to them all. They will still be able to harvest from the Storm/Honor's Perpendicularity like we saw in OB, but they said it's very errratic so I suspect they rely on the constant one. There is also the fact that there is an aweful lot of Worldhopping happening on Roshar in general, and only more as Radiants emerge, not to mention the SA4 prelude hint that realmic travel is going to be a plot point/goal.

This is probably what you meant, but just to clarify the WOB says that the rosharan belief would extend to Adonalsium, but it didnt actually confirm anything specific about his nature (and I believe there's a WOB that the Rosharans would call the Shardic Vessel's Spren but that they'd be wrong). Ah, ok I gotcha. I just meant that a WOB that Rosharans would view Adonalsium as a spren may or may not extend to Jasnah in particular simply because she is so very willing to disregard popular belief if she deems it proper. I think she would entirely agree with the definition of Spren as sentient Investiture, thought to my mind that's a separate definition and topic entirely than the one about what qualifies as a God. In that instance we know with Objective certainty that the Vessels (the originals at least) where all qualitatively More than just big spren, as they are Inflated natives of all three Realms, rather than just the two that Spren are native to. That last bit is interesting to me: she separates Being a god and Being worthy of Worship. This makes me think that her current Catch-22 is that the Being would have to both be some kind of Infinitely Powerful (1/16th might count) and also worthy of her absolute respect. There simply arent any beings that qualify for both at present. perhaps (given the right set of circumstances) she would knowledge a god if the being had both, like say a father figure she wildly Respects who then Ascends to Shard-hood. In other words, Jasnah may likely be a Unitarian or nothing...

relevant WOB:

You arent wrong, though to be fair she seems to defy the typical Rosharan beliefs more than match them. Personally, I tend to think that she wont be comfortable stating with absolute certainty that there is No god (logical fallacy to attempt to prove a negative, after all) but as she is now she will never be able to come up with a definition that actually satisfies her.

That probably comes down to the same general Idea of whether she can accept mortal Ascension to Godhood. If so, then gods dont need to be defined as entirely Beyond Mortals Reach or Understanding, because it is a state of power that a Mortal can achieve. If she needs an entity that has always been beyond Mortal, a spren might qualify. Unless she also attaches credit for the Cosmere's Creation (as many religions do) which brings the list back to Adonalsium and arguably the Harmony shards. Though in the more general Mythology sense, I'd say that there are lots of examples of Mortals being able to kill gods, though they tend to come it two flavors (that Im personally aware of): those that steal the Power of the Gods and use it against them, and those that simply blur the mythological lines between the gods and mortals (kings/queens/pharaohs/heroes/etc, usually) is simply heavily blurred. That latter is really common in various versions of the greek and norse myths, though I assume it can be found elsewhere too.

Havent really caught up with the current debate, but commenting on this OP topic: I dont think "Unknowable" fits Jasnah. I think she'd reject the idea of anything Unknowable entirely (unknown sure, but not forever unknowable), and she's logic-minded enough to recognize that including a Impossible criteria in her definition would invalidate the definition, as it would be a really round-about way to simply say she believes God(s) are impossible. And separately, including the "Worthy of Worship" is a whole other theological can of worms. I mean, most consider the Heralds to be worthy of Worship, but many of the Heralds themselves dont seem to agree. Similarly, Szeth is sort of worshiping Dalinar right now after Swearing to Him personally, but all involved would balk at calling him a god (for now...). Personally I think Jasnah would require a more objective definition. I tend to think that Jasnah would (grudgingly) accept Adonalsium (as we currently understand him) as a god. If she can accept the concept of Ascension to Godhood then she'd probably be ok with the Shardic Vessels as gods, but that would lead to finding the line between the bigger spren and gods (and the only answer I have is that they natively exist in all three Realms, unlike Spren).

That's usually the way of it: once you get the Chiral network unlocked in that area you'll see other's contributions, and the more stars you get the more you will see, but as far as I can tell it's vary rare that any section will be completed by others, just made cheaper through contributions. I got stuck around the same point. Be aware (because I was not) only the Missions for Sam progress the plot, the other missions are infinite. And there are a lot of destinations that will hit a Plot Stop on their Stars until you progress to a certain point. The missions and Likes still count, but you wont see the credit move your stars until you've passed certain plot triggers. Ziplines will unlock in ch 5 if i remember correctly, which will open up a lot more of the mobility, and the other players structures start to play a bigger role for you by adding nodes to your zipline network. I honestly used them a lot more than the roads in many circumstances, and they'll never reach all the locations; they really only shine when you have huge deliveries to make (or you are farming Mules) since the ziplines are limited by what you yourself can carry.

Dawnshards, Fabrial advancement, Urithiru, The Sibling's Return, worldhopping influences(?)