The One Who Connects

I'm gonna be blunt and say "light as a baseball" seems patently ridiculous. At best, I'd say the Shard-Weapon in question would weigh about the same as the unaided human equivalent. Swords/Axes/Spears/etc.. are built around the balance/weight ratio for the swing. Mess with that and you'd get a good bit of under/overswing since it's off-balance compared to what you're used to. Kaladin didn't have any of that with his new Shardspear, or else Szeth would've cut him to ribbons. So I feel that Shardweaponry is roughly the same weight as a normal weapon. Under this idea, the reason Shardblades are "lighter than they should be," which is to say, lighter than a 6 foot normal sword would be, is because they are maintaining the weight of a standard sword. (Which would mean that Shardblades are actually "bigger than they should be," rather than "lighter.") Can a Windrunner orient themselves when lashed in midair, or are they always gonna be standing "upwards," relative to the ground? If he can orient himself to be parallel with the actual ground, then this little interlude is largely irrelevant. But if he can't, then he's gotta swing to throw downwards at Kelsier, rather than aiming in front of him like a pitcher/javelin thrower. I'm not the most experienced, but I think you'd have a little difficulty getting the same speed with a throw like that. (Sidenote: My humanly possible comment was relating to the solid-metal nature of Shardweaponry, and the subconscious thought that they'd be really heavy) No. Oathbringer Spoilers: 1. Rereading the WoB, the questioner asks if the Spren has to be close for the Radiant to use their abilities. If that's what Brandon directly said yes to, then your plan might dispell Kaladin's lashings and knock him out of the sky. Or it would prevent Syl from getting that far away (which I'm not sure about, see 2) but if it does, see 3. 2. As you mentioned, she wasn't manifested in Blade-form at the time. Also, he wasn't using his powers at the time, so there might not have been any indication she exceeded it. 3. As mentioned in 1, if she leaves the area, Kal wouldn't be able to use his powers, which could kill him. I feel that the system should be smarter than that, so I'll presume that it would forcibly despawn her from Blade-form so she doesn't leave the area. 4. I'd have to reread, but I highly doubt she got that far away from him. I'm not sure she exceeded(or even reached) 100 feet away from him at any given point.

So, uh.. Dark side, huh?

It's a Fan-made term. Mistborn Spoilers:

Magic sword, dueling cane, whatever his enemy is wielding, do you really think Kelsier would try and parry with his daggers? Kelsier is not an idiot. Also, why in Karzahni do you think Kaladin would be using a meat shield? Isn't that the complete antithesis of his Oaths to protect people? Far be it for me to say "That's not how gravity works," but.... Gravity is what gives an object it's weight. One Gravity, One weight. One Sixth Gravity(Moon Grav), One Sixth Weight. One Lashing is One Gravity. If the lashed item is lighter than Kelsier, his push should be able to move it. The same holds for multiple lashings: Double Lashing, Double Gravity, Double Weight. If the item is still lighter than Kelsier, it still gets pushed. Assuming there's sturdy metal/a building nearby, Kelsier can brace himself and move an object several times his weight(something Wax demonstrated, if memory serves). I realize now that you probably meant that Lashings aren't dependent on the user's weight, but that's what happens when we aren't specific enough on here. Doesn't change what I wrote above, as my points should still hold up. In your theoretical, Kaladin is "a couple hundred feet up or so." Syl isn't gonna fall like a lightning bolt. In the daytime, Kelsier would have ample time to dodge since he can probably see Kaladin(who'd be the center of where Syl gets thrown from). If it's nighttime, Kelsier leaves, since Kaladin can't see him. I know Kaladin has Stormlight strength, but 70 mph? That seems... exceptionally higher than reasonable(or humanly possible). I am forced to assume that you intend for him to lash his Shardspear downwards, which (a) might not even be possible, and (b) severely limits how much he can do this, unless he intends to fall to his death from lack of Stormlight. Additionally, we don't actually know how far away Syl can get from Kaladin. There is a limit(unless you're Dalinar).

I'm gonna be honest here. I always read that as Venli having experienced Stormform before(somehow). Eshonai had to adapt to a whole new form/mentality, while Venli had already done that in the past, so it came to her more naturally. You make a valid point near the end of your post though, so maybe you're onto something.

You'd be right.

It's not exactly what you asked, but it's close-ish:

I'll agree that getting the metals would still be a problem, but as for learning: Although.. we shouldn't be venturing down the path of giving intelligence to Chasmfiends. I'm imagining something functionally equivalent to the T-Rex in Jurassic Park, but with brainpower like the raptors in those movies.

Nope.

I don't see why not. It's functionally little different than reconfiguring a garden hose into a water cannon. Ventilation Systems(because I was stupid when I made the original post). Ventilation is done via moving air. Wind is moving air. I should've made that connection months ago. Come to think of it, we have small pressurized air canisters(to blow dust out of computer parts/etc..) here on earth. So there's another potential usage, and it gets rid of the "pressurized" danger, which is another plus.

Roshar is smaller than Earth(0.9x), with a gravity 0.7 times our own. Reverse lashing requires one to maintain physical contact with the object.

It's probably just the sheer word count. SA is averaging.. what? 400k words per book so far(as a rough guess), and that's gotta be time consuming to translate.

1. Yea, that's a problem 2. Ultimately it doesn't matter since you were Soulcasting the casing into air anyway. I was pointing out that push discrepancy early, while I was under the assumption that the casing itself would be getting launched too. 1. That was my point. I was mainly kinda curious if we had anything more solid than "there isn't one bead per atom/molecule/what-have-you." i guess a better way to word my question was: "How big of an area does one bead affect? Are we talking a kid's swimming pool, a public pool, or an Olympic pool of lava?" 2. I'm not sure how you'd go about making lava, since that isn't exactly one of the essences, and Mechanical Soulcasting is more limited. Assuming you can get over that hurdle, I.. suppose that could be done. They can. Szeth does so in WoK I-9, and proceeds to lash the confused soldiers every which way. The point that I made later on directly references this: My point in saying that is the action of desummoning it, rather than simply dropping it, is a conscious decision for an Honorblade wielder. That conscious decision cannot be made by a dead Hordeling, so if they dropped it by dying, then it's into the lava. Assuming you aren't on a mobile device: you can press tab to indent bullet points/numbering. If you are on mobile, you should be able to select the text (where it gives you the cut, copy, paste, etc.. options) Navigate though those, and there should be one that says "indent." [I will mention that I do this on the Notepad app on my iPod, so you may not be able to do this on a website] 1&4: Fair enough. Also, there's an "n" in tsunami. 2: But that's not how a Basic Lashing works. You lash the object via touch. Touching the ground would fail(as you said it would) in more ways than one, since the liquid portion would see itself as separate from the solid, leaving it entirely unaffected by you lashing the solid ground. Lashing the liquid via touch is still gonna be a little strange, because it depends on how much of the liquid sees itself as a singular object, rather than just "not the solid ground." 3. Sightlines aren't a big issue. If he's escaped the liquid rock tsunami, he's gotten out of it. At that point, I presume you would have the Hordelings redirect the tsunami towards him, at which point our Steelrunner escapes. Thanks to gold/stormlight healing, neither living party is too troubled by air resistance and burning up, but that rock tsunami is gonna get burned away in the mad dash to catch up. And at this point, we are no longer anywhere near the original battle arena, and the grand plan no longer matters. It was an enjoyable discussion. Glad to see I've found another debating spirit. Looking forwards to the next, whatever that may be about.

Oh right, this discussion is your fault Honestly, this is pretty tame (nearly a half hour in between the big posts is a decent wait). The real surprise is that a "xx vs Fullborn" thread got 3 pages of discussion, and could potentially get more. It's nice to have new people coming up with new ideas here and there.

The Heralds should probably also know that the Listeners are/were descended from "the Voidbringers." I think the alliance both intrigued and worried them, whether or not the event was actually going to be important.

A-Nicrosil might be able to short circuit an Aon(now I'm theorizing the feasibility of coding a Surge Protector into an Aon. This is a rather.. fascinating mental picture) Or I'm vastly overthinking and it might just make Aon Ashe brighter.

If the case itself is gold, it's very Allomantically touchable. (Haven't read the rest of the post yet, so I'll assume this was a mistype on your part for now) I'm not that up to date on those Shadesmar Beads. Tell me, how big of an area does one singular bead effect? That could do a number on your plan, since the lava pool might not be that wide and/or deep. Too shallow/skinny, and that's minimal healing expended getting out. Too deep, and you could end up draining the lava into a cave, which throws a wrench into both parties respective plans. The Fullborn could also grow in size via F-Pewter, allowing them to escape faster via taking longer steps(also get's more of the body out of the lava, which is less healing). F-Steel lets a Fullborn move quite fast and they have no reason to suddenly slow down after getting out of the lava. Keep moving fast, and the Hordelings distraction isn't too relevant when it's far behind you. Oh right, this. The Honorblades would probably have an Atium Shadow, which would be fun. Even if they don't, they aren't entirely useful here. They don't cause physical wounds, so any Metalminds would stay on a dead limb. Regardless of the type of damage they inflict, F-Gold can heal through it. And our Fullborn can potentially block using their Metalminds, which will probably surprise both sides. (Oh, you've essentially made Rail-Guns. Props for ingenuity, I guess..) Depending on the speed, I'm not sure if the casing would be within range long enough to Soulcast it into air. So.. these are pebbles turned into Aluminum. Not the most aerodynamic things, pebbles. I suppose if you have enough of them.... However, this plan hinges on the Fullborn quite literally "standing there and being shot." After having the ground they stood on be turned to lava, why would they stand still? Actually, your rail guns phase in while the Fullborn is still in the lava/dealing with the Honorblade wielding Hordelings. This presents about... 3 problems: Aim: If they start the firing process while our Fullborn is still moving, they could easily end up mostly missing as our Fullborn dodges something else entirely. And if this lava pool is rather wide, you could completely miss if you aim at the wrong section of "shoreline." And there's the aforementioned Steelrunning speed. Can't really lead your shot when your target can turn on a dime without slowing down. Flak: If our Fullborn is still dealing with the Honorblade wielding Hordeling distraction, those aluminum pellets could very easily take them out instead. You wanted them to have enough velocity to embed within a body, but not a through-and-through, so if they hit the Hordelings, they aren't gonna hit our Fullborn. Honorblades: Having Honorblades being held by flying creatures above a pool of lava is a ridiculously egregious move. Honorblades only grant powers when they are wielded(or desummoned by their wielder). A Fullborn is quite capable of killing Hordelings, and the one's with weapons are priority targets(for obvious reasons). If one of them dies, that Honorblade would fall into the lava pool. While this probably wouldn't do much to the blade itself, good luck getting it back, especially if the pool is deep. And if he kills the Hordelings with Jezrien&Nalan's Honorblades, bye bye rail gun. (If he gets very lucky and wrecks the ones with Battar&Kelek's Honorblades immediately, no more transportation, trapping your rail guns in the CR ) Honorblades x2: Shardblades can be moved by a Duralumin Push/Pull. It stands to reason that the same can be done to an Honorblade. If the Hordelings got hit with a "suddenly no more Surgebinding," that'd be a problem. Oh, I'm pulling consecutive 1-2-3's... Range: Surge Range isn't infinite, so there wouldn't be as much liquid rock as you are probably imagining. Lashing Liquid: For the second time in two days, Yata has put it more eloquently than I, so quoth him: Sightlines: It's not like the hordelings behind the "tsunami" can see through it, so our Fullborn could run through it before they know it happened. And 330 feet(1/16th mile) isn't that far, especially for a Steelrunner. Range x2: Surge Range isn't infinite, so our Hordelings would have to follow the liquid rock in order to re-solidify it. Do we have confirmation that Stormlight would be shared across the full Sleepless & Hordelings? (more for personal curiosity than as a rebuttal)

Depends on which aspect is more in control. As for the theory itself, I'd like it to be different than what we got in HoA. But we are still far too early to make any solid predictions.

1. The Aluminum might prevent him from push/pulling on them, but only the aluminum parts would lack Atium Shadows. If this Fullborn has Atium, he'll be fine. Case in point: 2. What prevents our Fullborn from simply closing his eyes? It's not like he needs them. And while Aluminum might remove the targeted magical effects, aluminum doesn't prevent him from bludgeoning them with his fists. And if the Hordeling Dome is just keeping him contained, then the Aluminum Hordelings wouldn't even really be protected, which is even worse, since that'd cause the deaths of the specialized Hordelings. That puts a damper on the feasibility of the plan. (On second thought, I may have misread you) If they are all swarming him to remove his Metalminds, what happens to that containing dome? If there's no dome, he can tap pewter to become really big, pushing them outwards with him. Then stop tapping to revert to normal size, and F-Steel out of the gaps made by spreading them out. I know this idea was to counter the Steel Push method of beating your Hordeling Snow-Globe , but the biggest issue with beating a Mistborn, Feruchemist or prepared Elantrian is their versatility. There are several other powers that have to be beaten too, and they can wreak havoc with other aspects of your idea. I'll get the big three out of the way, then move on to specifics. Atium was discussed above. F-Zinc grants mental speed, which basically buys him large swaths of internal time to mentally react to things and formulate a plan for your physical actions. Compounded Steel would give our Fullborn several seconds(possibly minutes) to react to and physically deal with some of the Cremlings, with or without the boosts from A-Atium or F-Zinc. Here's an unconventional one: F-Tin. Why see when you can hear? You store senses separately, so store your Sight(largely or entirely negating the flash grenades) and navigate mostly by tapping Compounded Hearing, with a combination of practice, Mental Speed and/or Atium to help you cope. (Disclaimer: this one isn't likely to have been done, because Fullborn are overconfident little runts. But a clever Ferring might have practiced, given the notable weaknesses of A-Tin in the face of teching up: flash grenades, sonic weapons, distracting/disorienting smells, sudden bursts of heat/cold, sensory overload tactics, etc...) Actually, Storms! was on to something good here: Chromium. Can't use blinding illumination if you don't have any Stormlight. You have a lot of faith in the Fullborn's apparent inability to look up. He's surrounded by moving Hordelings, so I'd look up at least once to see if it was a dome or simply walls. If they are circling him, then the top of the dome would be the weaker spot to try and break through(unless they are moving in some strange haphazard pattern, which presents its own problems with maintaining full coverage, something F-Zinc&Steel can take advantage of), so that'd be more looking up. If they look up even once, they can catch on to your plan and make a move to escape. Secondly, you're gonna have a heck of a time performing that triple soulcasting. Performing three consecutive Soulcastings is gonna burn through a decent amount of Stormlight, especially following those.. 16 Lashings per Hordeling, I think you said? Plus the teleporting, the blinding, the etc.., how much Stormlight does your team have on them? Soulcasting the shell into aluminum has to happen last, or else you can't affect the interior. On the subject of the Aluminum, it can't be lashed, so your projectiles may actually slow down once they let go of them. If terminal velocity has been exceeded, they will start to slow once their source of propulsion is gone. And that's not to mention that your item may be more floaty now that it's hollow and possibly lighter(depends on the lead:air ratio in the interior), which might slow it's descent even more. I'm not entirely certain you can soulcast just the interior of something anyway(separate discussion), but I'm fairly confidant that you couldn't do it with an Honorblade. The Spren Bond is much more versatile than the mechanical method, which does translate to the Honorblades. As for escaping this dome of Hordelings, Storms! was on to something here too. Quickly leap towards one edge of the dome, put up a bubble, and let chaos ensue. Drop the bubble, and F-Steel out of the inevitable gap. This doesn't necessarily prevent the Hordelings from doing another dome, nor does it prevent our Fullborn from escaping again, but there are other things that could be done. During the chaos the bubble causes, Double-Pewter makes for quite a destructive edge. Makes for one heck of a party trick on it's own, since you could suddenly grow in both size & power and sideswipe a chunk of the Hordeling dome. And you can do this without warning, possibly in two places at once(bit of F-Steel for a deadly spin cycle ?) Our Fullborn could also be back against a wall, limiting Hordeling lines of approach(and screwing up that flying pattern). Soulcasting the wall to air just lets the Fullborn escape, since he'll notice the rush of air and be able to Zinc+Steel his way out before the Hordelings can properly surround him. The Lord Ruler got beheaded. I'm not sure ripping off and regrowing a foot here and there would even faze our Fullborn. And then you lose the element of surprise, making the strategy much riskier to pull off. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: There are no half-measures when containing a Fullborn. Yes. It's in the book.

The Metalminds themselves can(TLR/Miles level Atium/Goldminds at least, maybe the Steel too..) I'll just toss you to one of the ancient theories where that very issue got discussed, and some follow-up discussions. We know(or can infer) quite a bit more than we think we can. Why would..? The metals would be burned away, and gone. (Tis why they don't get metal poisoning). As for the privy, have the not yet WoB. Getting the surges twice probably doesn't do what you think it does(and your Surgebinding efficiency might take a major nosedive). That said, having more powers at your disposal is always a plus, because boss fights need to have some variety to them. You would be burning metals, so that might speed up your path to being a savant, but the compounding itself doesn't do anything similar to Savanthood. As for seeing/pushing on those trace metals, both of our examples of this (Kar and TLR) were savants, although in TLR's case, I think his raw power might've let him do it anyway. Affect it, no. But they can theoretically get there. Yata has put it more eloquently than I, so quoth him: I'm not sure they would. Clothing and weapons that people are holding/wearing don't appear as separate beads in Shadesmar(IIRC), and the Fullborn could simply internalize them like Miles died, or have them pierce their skin, like TLR and the Inquisitorius did(minus the Hemalurgy, not that that matters) Oh, you're talking about extra metals... A smart Fullborn would keep their Metalminds on their person, so the spare metal is unlikely to be invested. It'd look just like normal metal, in both realms. I suppose metal is metal, so it's kinda replaceable(for the most part, alloys will be a pain). It'd limit their total reserves somewhat, but in the end, I see this as more of a delaying tactic than anything definitive.

Is it? Look at the the first image Digitalbusker posted (specifically, the one left of the scroll bar in the middle). Starting at the south corner, the "road" goes up, then up-right diagonally, the straight right. It has vertices, but were they smoothed out, this would be the curved line in Aon Aon. The outside road goes from that corner diagonally up-left to the north corner of the city, making the straight line of Aon Aon. There is a literal dot in the center of the city, which is the dot of Aon Aon. Start at any corner, and this pattern repeats itself, reusing the central dot. Is it meant to be an Aon, almost certainly not. But the similarity is there.

Regarding Yolen, see my response to Khyrindor below. As for worshiping Adonalsium.. you have a "maybe" from Peter (who lies), and a "kind of" from Brandon. Have the sum of presently available knowledge: Peter, the Iriali Long Trail Tag, and Languages. The language one is only semi-related, but there are so few WoBs with "Iri" in them.. and nothing containing the word "Yolen" was relevant to your question.

As Calderis and Grover have mentioned, such a thing nearly happened to Kaladin. Additionally, I'm fairly certain that something similar happens to Szeth during one of his escapades in WoK. He switches directions too many times too quickly and gets disoriented, forcing him to make a rolling stop on one of the walls rather than landing on his feet. I know it isn't blacking out, but its a start. And the narration of the fight keeps track of the direction changes, so we get an idea of where their limits are. I'm not sure I follow, so I'll parrot digitalbusker. What is the issue here?

Reread those scenes in Warbreaker. In those situations, Nightblood "wields" it's holder. If Szeth tossed it into a group of people like Vasher does in Warbreaker, the result would've been the same. Nightblood doesn't do this in Oathbringer because Szeth doesn't do that in Oathbringer(to my knowledge).