Kasimir

LG101 Day One: This Is Not A Drill The announcement went on and on. Or at least it seemed to. Kethen wondered what they were going to do about it, figured it was the sort of thing buried in small font or a footnote of the security manual, the sort of thing you did drills about every two year contract cycle or so and then forgot about because it meant nothing for the day-to-day functioning of the Fourth Bridge, only suddenly it was relevant after all because the Scadrians had decided that anything near the edge of contested space was something they wanted their own guys on. Kethen sort of got the idea. Control issues, right? He’d dated someone before like that. Maybe that explained the Scadrians. Wasn’t the sort of theory he’d voice to Security though. As it was, he’d gotten one hell of a debriefing as the Chief of Security, the Chief Engineer, and the Captain pored over his extracts, collectively raised their heads every couple of minutes to scowl at him as though he were personally responsible for the fact the Scadrians had control issues, and then went back to poring over the extracts in the apparent hopes that the collective heat of their disregard would command the Scadrian recording to please be something as stupid as the Fourth Engineer persuading the latrines to play the Blackthorn March simultaneously while the shuttle did a re-supply run. “If this is real…” the Captain said, with the sort of glare that cowed lesser beings than the Chief of Security and the Chief Engineer. “It is,” retorted the Chief. At the same time, the Chief of Security said, “Don’t be a fool. We know the Scadrians love to stick their noses into everything.” Control issues, Kethen thought, sagely. “It was only a matter of time before they figured a research station on the edge of the Teneb Cluster was the sort of thing they wanted their own look at.” “So you think the Scadrians have their own plants on the station?” the Captain wanted to know. The Chief of Security said, after a long and pointed glance at Kethen, “I think we’re better off having this conversation in private.” Which suited Kethen just fine. He really didn’t want to be pulled into the designs of the high and mighty anyway. Just wanted to sit out the rest of his contract, no fireworks, and then goodbye to station life, he’d kiss the dust of Urithiru in gratitude the moment his shuttle landed. As he palmed the door shut, he heard, just behind the creak and whoosh of the door seal engaging, “It’d explain some of the things my team have been picking up…” And now there was the announcement, coming, for most, like a sudden highstorm warning on a clear and still day. Only Kethen had known it was coming, but said nothing to the rest of the crew. Sure, the Fourth Bridge was a purely research and commercial enterprise, but they were Rosharan. The moment there were Scadrians on the station, the whole thing blew up. That wasn’t okay. No one was down for Scadrian espionage. And the way Kethen saw it, Scadrian espionage was the sort of crem that escalated quickly into Scadrian sabotage. Especially on an isolated station like the Fourth Bridge. “This is not a drill,” intoned the speaker, moments after the emergency address signal had gone off across the station. One of the cafeteria speakers was broken though; had been for months. It meant the address coming out of the speakers here sounded weird. Tinny and crackling with static on one side, normal on the other. “Security has discovered the presence of Scadrian infiltrators on board the Fourth Bridge. All crew are to proceed directly to your emergency stations where your team leaders will brief you on what to do. The Captain will address everyone shortly. This is not a drill. Please proceed to your emergency stations…” Kethen mashed the chunks of what was supposed to be axehound stew into the bottom of his bowl with little enthusiasm and stood up to make his way to his emergency station. Figured he wasn’t missing anything worth missing, anyway. The Day has begun! It will end in 48 hours at 2330hrs SGT (GMT+8) on the 22nd July! PMs are open. Please let me know if you have not yet received your GM PM! Noting also I am rescinding the 'please wait for playerlist' thing as it's not gonna work with the new merge system. I'll just add things to the bottom of this post and get with the times. Captain's Bulletin: Crew Manifest:

Sign-ups are closed! Station crew please return to your emergency stations. This is not a drill. An announcement will be made shortly.

Sorry guys - last pushback to tomorrow. Have the migraine from hell right now, probably as a result of the work all-nighter stuff and don't anticipate being able to set up anything. Final start time: SGT 2330hrs (GMT+8) on 21st July 2024. Sorry for the delays! Please ignore. The lower tier meds worked so since I'm able to start the game at the initial time, 2330hrs on 20th July, I'll return to it to cause less confusion. Apologies.

I'll try to remember! In general, executive decision: if no one has any screaming objections, I'm extending sign-ups by a day or two. You'll all get more clarity soon when I can finagle the timezone maths but the tldr; is I got drafted into an all-nighter for work-related stuff and tonight I plan to go the heck to sleep as soon as I get released rather than fumble with re-adjusting/checking my distro and whatnot on zero sleep. Oh yeah @Araris Valerian yell at me if that's an issue but if not I'm @ing you too so you don't go ??? that I went incommunicado Edited to add: Sorry yeah to be clear the 'a day or two' isn't that I don't know when it starts it's that I can't timezone maths this rn. But it's meant to be 24 hours from when it was gonna start.

Reminder sign-ups close tomorrow evening! I'd prefer a minimum of eight but seven is probably workable as well.

Yes. The FB, the Station Crew, and the Scadrians all have mutually-exclusive wincons.

defenestrably false

why are u like this sir admit it ur just joe in a trenchcoat

Just the cycle for the Scadrian Infiltrator. Yes. They don't need to survive, they just need to force a Kobayashi Maru for everyone else by X. Basically as long as the other two factions (excluding Lieutenant because that wincon is not game-ending) don't win by the X value, they lose and the Fourth Bridge wins. Edited to add: Maybe put it this way - they don't have to stay alive, but my current X value is modelled on the assumption of an 8-9 player game, and to hit that X value (I'll announce the FB's X when the game starts, but most other role charges will be kept secret), it will help to stay alive

Have a good one, by the way!

Rule Clarifications (Man Should I Have Just Called The First Set Footnotes?) Player List Pinch-Hitter List Spec List

Every week, Kethen kept a tally on his log, counting down to the date his contract would expire. Something the recruiters never told you when they waved the spheres in your face: working on board a research station was just boring. Nothing happened in space. Nothing was supposed to happen in space. If something did happen, you were probably screwed in more ways than Roshar had dialects for it. Cycles on the research station were measured in chronometers calibrated to Rosharan time, using Urithiru as the basis of measurement, but that was a sop to where the Fourth Bridge had come from. Kethen liked to think of it as their way of reassuring the bridgemen that they had come from somewhere, that they remained tethered to somewhere. It was, otherwise, easy to forget, as the cycles creaked on. On board the Fourth Bridge, the real way you marked time was by your scheduled shift, and by the monthly arrival of the supply shuttle from the Amethyst-Six waystation. (And if you were Kethen, by the weeks that took you closer to the date your contract expired, to the shuttle that would one day arrive not just for supplies or to bring new personnel to the station but to bring you back home, back planetside, away from the bleak metal structures of the Fourth Bridge or the darkness of space beyond the viewport.) The first year had been exciting enough. By the start of the second year, Kethen was beginning to have doubts about the entire contract. The food was alright (if by alright you meant mindnumbingly awful, because everything shipped off Roshar usually was dehydrated and bland in at least ten different ways and the last thing you wanted was someone overdosing on spices and then half the bridgemen having the runs and overloading sanitation), the scenery was uninspiring, and Kethen just wanted to feel the rain on his skin during the Weeping or see actual sunlight again. At least nothing happened in space. Most of it was a set of routine repairs—Kethen had been assigned as the third engineer to the Fourth Bridge’s comms systems, which made him one of the lowest-ranking bridgemen on the station—and required enough tinkering, parts replacement, cursing, and percussive maintenance, especially when the requested parts hadn’t arrived with the supply shuttle two months ago and the shuttle captain just shrugged and looked lost when Kethen’s senior, the second engineer had pointed that out. The problem universally acknowledged was that saying nothing happened in space was the surefire way to get something to happen. As it was, Kethen’d nearly missed the ‘something’ in question. There had been an ongoing problem with the comms systems. It was the matter of some frustration, because Kethen hadn’t been able to get the problem to repeat itself, though it’d come up when trying to hail the supply shuttle and failing. He was poring over the comms logs trying to figure out where the problem had originated when he saw it. He frowned down at it. It took a whole minute to process. And then another. And then another. You could miss it, if you blinked. But there it was, hidden in the shadow of the transmission to the supply shuttle from Amethyst-Six. He went back one month. And then another. And then yet another. Sometimes, it was more obvious. Sometimes, it was more cunningly concealed, enough that he or the fourth engineer must’ve dismissed it, at that time, and who checked the logs anyway, unless there was some sort of ongoing problem? Someone was sending a transmission out, piggybacking on the station’s comm signal. It wasn’t your usual transmission, as best as Kethen could tell. It wasn’t using the usual channel, the one they all had spent time cursing at because it was wobbly and lost signal from the relays between the Teneb Cluster and Amethyst-Six. Nothing like dropping off on a call halfway. No, this was something else entirely. And the more Kethen dug into that transmission, the more he didn’t like what he was seeing. Someone was sending out an encoded transmission from the Fourth Bridge, concealed in the shadow of comms with the supply shuttle, but using a rarely-touched frequency. The question was, why? And who? The crew of the Fourth Bridge were carefully vetted. Even a research station like the Fourth Bridge functioned in a world where Roshar dealt with multiple adversaries, and the Teneb Cluster was right on the edge of contested space. Security’d gone over the briefings, and Kethen was pretty sure that whether or not there was an innocent explanation for this, they were going to have a field day. Kethen scowled down at the logs. The captain had to know about this, of course. The problem was far above his paygrade. Just as he was looking forward to quietly finishing this contract and going back to Roshar. LG101: The Edge of Empire “And what will we do when at last, we reach the edge of empire and find there another civilisation to rival ours in glory and majesty?” —Teneb Afanen, The Edge of Empire Bearing a name with strong historical significance, the Fourth Bridge is a cutting-edge research installation currently stationed at an asteroid cluster near the edge of systems under Rosharan control. Near contested space. Officially, the Fourth Bridge is simply conducting metallurgical and scientific research on the contents of the asteroid cluster. Unofficially, however, the Fourth Bridge serves as a covert listening post into Scadrian operations in contested space. Now, however, you have reason to believe the Scadrians have taken an interest in the operations of the Fourth Bridge. One of the Fourth Bridge’s engineers has discovered an outgoing communication, encrypted and sent on a rarely-used frequency. You cannot identify the relay station it was meant for, but you do know what this means. The Scadrians have infiltrated the Fourth Bridge. Can you get rid of the Scadrians before accidents start happening to the station crew? Or will Roshar lose the coming war before it has truly begun? General Rules: Win Conditions: Roles: Clarifications: Sign-ups are open now and will close on Friday, 19th July 2024, at 2300hrs SGT (GMT +8). Rollovers will take place at the same time. The IM for the game is @Araris Valerian. Please also be reminded to desist from posting in the thread until I can reserve the next post. I will always do so in order to collect both the current player list and the most recent set of rule clarifications for easy access. Quick Links

yes but as long as I know you're Village and i certainly did here, I trust u on Lily and mindgames reads i just had to lodge a protest first i'd still have voted with u which is why u could just sleep without gaf anyway lesbe real I think it'd add a bit more bluff territory or uncertainty there from a Village Seeker because there's then no telling what role I really copied. Barring the ersatz reality where Drake and I just happily Spiked each other, it'd be something with a lot less corroboration, which introduces gaps for Elims to exploit. I feel like some of this is down to the fact that massclaiming just is the best strat forward for the Village, and with Elim roles being unique, this starts them off in a position of pressure. MinSeeker has a better-minted fake excuse, as scanning an NPC role gives them a claim that's unchallenged unless the Village Seeker scans that same role. MinLeader feels like the ongoing problem here, but not in a bad way - no easy bluff, and if they convert someone easily misexed, they're in trouble. I did have the thought at the back of my head that if TUA used the conversion, it was likely to hit LightRinger, since LR has new player protection, but it didn't feel like that sort of shot in the dark was worth it when we had a lead. (I'll note in BotC, there's a similar issue and the Demon is often told two of the roles not in the game - NPC roles here - in order to be able to bluff, but they still have to fake results. I don't know if that helps a little here if you feel there's too much Elim pressure due to this being more long-form than a 10 minute RL game.) I think Kelsier and Kandra Spy existing do create pressure valves for the Elims to exploit, and would almost argue they're roles essential to giving the Elims space to maneuver, since the Village has to hesitate on wanting to push obviously sus people due to secondguessing. The main issue with them is (I think?) which maybe is why you asked about stacking - they create threats that mostly leave the ball in the Village court. They let Elims FUD hard but ultimately the Village has to just make the call, which means that there's a limit to the amount of control the Elims get here. I do think good FUDing is never something to underlook, but that's also a playniche demand for an Elim. tldr; I don't think it was really stacked but I do think the main Elim tools here can be a tad reactive.

Thanks for running ONW CadCom! And for IMing, Araris! I find the most loltastic part of this game probably just Aet chilling under the assumption he's screwed and then et voila he wins just by doing nothing Reiterating this is why you trust the murderpuppy on Lily reads

I'm not saying you're saying consensus. I'm saying Stick is saying there's a consensus when there isn't one. She's proposing V at SoD. Like how else do you read "I didn't see any red flags and no one made a case for E!Aet" as a statement of her view on Aet and therefore her own alignment. Twenty five minutes give or take.

Are you willing to walk me through this rq as I might be willing to switch Stick says her read of early Aet was Village (to be fair, maybe what you're flagging is that she is offering a default rather than V read), therefore given Coffee's uncontested switch claim and no contest on Aet, she's playing under the assumption she's Village. I'm saying that Coffee, myself, and IIRC, Drake were all less sure about Aet so it's simply not true that there's a consensus there.

Where does the town indicativeness come in though?

If you think it's very V indicative, shouldn't you be voting TUO since that means Stick swapped to Village? Anyway I am too tired from the meds to get up/back so I won't be changing my vote. The one point of credit I can give Stick is that E!her shouldn't be cool pushing TUO unless she thinks he's Village or the kandra. I don't really see an Elim encouraging an actual Kelsier vote unless the mentality is better 3p than Village.

Coffee disagreed. Aet stated he was playing his E!meta and I don't disagree as he's more visibly engaged when Village. I also note that again, on your view, you are missing an Elim and don't seem to be able to identify one who isn't Aeo. Edited to add: I'll also note that response just kind of reeks of the tacit Elim "you have got to have a case to find me sus." It was Aet's opening game - no one is going to draw a hard and fast conclusion off one. If you think it is so defining, then I will expect 100% accuracy from you on D1s based purely on pre-Rollovet reads going forwards. What has early game Aet done to appear Village? Why is the default Village? Why do you suddenly shift burden of proof conveniently in your game approach? Edited to add 2: @DrakeMarshall Anyway I've said my piece. The main reason I'm on TUA is I trust you on mindgames more than I trust me on mindgames. But the whole situation reeks.

Edited to add 2: Theoretically if we buy her story, Stick randed Kelsier, swapped with Aet, doesn't really care to confirm her views Aet started Village, and is just running with it because lolwincon. If we buy Aet's story, she's Kelsier now and blatantly Villagesiding. And no one questions this? An iota? Stick, who got us to lie to Aeo about balefire even if it theoretically shouldn't have worked, just to eke a bit of advantage? Stick, who continued to hardcore play as Toucan, and who still went as far as possible despite also not wanting to try too hard as Beagle? I don't feel it makes sense that Stick just goes 'welp Kelsier life is too hard' and decides to hardcore help the Village, when it'd make her outright lose. I think she'd try to inhabit an area more grey than that. You could argue that's what she's doing but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ It seems a tad too defeatist. Edited to add 3: Suppose it really is as easy as Stick claims it is - TUO is obviously Evil. On her view, Aet is now Kelsier and we're expected to believe she's a Villager right? Because she's been implying she either dgaf if she's Village or, more charitably, is so supremely confident in her early game V!Aet read she's just gonna assume she's Village. So on her worldview, where's the other Elim? Clearly not a one Elim game, right? (I guess you could argue there's just a kandra but that's weird.) She probably has to say the other Elim is Min!Seeker using their scan to bluff they are a NPC role, but who is it then? Aeo? Royal/Drake/me theoretically are consistent. Royal could have cribbed off the thread, but I also find it a bit less likely. LightRinger is backed by Royal and Aet. Maybe some others I'm forgetting because w00ts flu. I intensely distrust a player who is normally not content with straightforward answers early on urging us to believe it really is 'that' simple.

Honestly wrt your comment on the amount of husky screm, IMO I think it's absolutely planned. This is why I don't agree with your confidence level in disregarding this world—Elims likely know they'll get cced out the gate and with the exception of MinSeeker who has a ready-made alibi, Stick's and Aet's plays are textbook Elim team minus the complication of Coffee having swapped them and refusing to lie. From Stick's POV, if she really started as Kelsier, she should gaf about Aet's starting alignment beyond her brief read. She hasn't been interested and is just trying to basswoof. You could argue it validates Aet starting as Kelsier which I don't super disagree with but then TUA picking a cc is an odd strat. The other thought in my head is that everything she accuses TUO of playwise also applies to her—it actively benefits her and Aet to be in that openly shady zone to force the Village away/out from there by scaring the Village out of making the attempt. Real Kelsier would never cc anyway. TUO's strategy seems really awful for an Elim—no coordination, who's going to save him? Making us 50/50 to pick a right answer when he could have just waited or used MinSeeker results? (If MinLead, tough luck.) Again, the accusation absolutely applies to her and no amount of MU swagger and braggadocio changes it. You can argue that K!her really has to irritate Village to the point of making them fed-up enough to exe her: ok, but suppose we lock in. What then? I'm too tired to care about splitting the vote but when it turns out we really should have just flipped Stick for obvious Evil play, I told you so. Edited to add: I think put it this way. If you entered the game as an Elim knowing massclaiming puts you under pressure, the obvious play is to go for the shelter of the role that means you win if you are exed to scare Village away and FUD. To me, two players are actively invoking Kelsier. The one who is on the lam and supposedly consensus Elim is not. And why is that?

I sort of feel Kandra is the most likely left out? If only because there would be no Elim doc if there was only Kandra and one of MinSeeker and MinLeader: For the Elims to have planned and organised any Day strategy, and if we don't think there's all three Elims, then Kandra Spy is most likely left out. Yeah basically kandra can't do this. @CadCom? Looks like it to me. Tfw the other is Kelsier That's my take. I've asked CadCom just to be sure but I think he warned he couldn't get back in time, because I feel it should be represented in multiple colours if it is in, but is not. Any reason why not? There's one implication there but IMO it's not worth pursuing because it's even more random a shot than voting based off the day. TUO

"what are rules? who needs rules? screw the rules and screw my team and screw the whole game with it " Edited to add: In my view, that's as much commentary as deciding both of you get to rewrite the rules however you want deserves. Going back to the Champion brawling now.

@CadCom Is this compatible with the green rather than neutral Hazekiller in the role list? Edited to add: Next question: is @Aeoryi ccing this?

What did you unleash... @The Unknown Order From your POV, what are the Kandra Spy/Kelsier doing? I'll note only the OG Oracle is told what their role is so for anyone in the cc set: <Stick, Coffee, TUO, Aet> to refuse to claim and play cc games instead is unforgivable - there's no other way this happens other than a LeaderMin conversion, and if a LeaderMin conversion happens, then exeing them is good for us anyway. In the case of the Drunk, it's more of a toss-up but fills in the picture as I forgot the Drunk does not know what role they acquired. Edited to add: I'll add that this is in theory a good plan but doesn't work. In other words, the only way it triggers on Aeo is if we exe Aeo, thereby making this the exe with extra steps.