Kasimir

I'm going to cut through everything to focus on this because the point of me saying that the Swan comparison was what swayed me was - as you've rightly worked out and I should've said explicitly, if you can convince me that this isn't the right comparison case, I'm okay with voting on someone else. I absolutely feel the multi-quote pain because it's a massive time sink, and probably a style experiment I'm not especially keen to make my dominant style. I accept that it feels like you're dealing with non-stop barrages. I feel like the multi-quote problem just hinges into the other half of a problem with - for lack of a better word, Sokratic questioning. Also minded of Hájek's infamous scattershot fifteen arguments against finite frequentism. I agree this is a bit of a digression, but I do have a distaste for such tactics as well because I am very aware of how they are used as tactics for intra-discipline point-scoring if only for an 'argument from exhaustion.' Which is probably something that hooks into something else I said during the AG but oh well. The counterpoint is a bit where I flagged the Archer thing, which is that a guy who isn't voting on you (me until the longpost)...doesn't really necessarily need to be responded to at great length? It's a judgement call again I would say, because Aman commanded one vote on you. I don't know if your defense got Araris off you, but it certainly didn't change Ash's mind, and I think Thaid is too confused to really say much about. (Though I'd also say this gives me some credence you and Araris are not E/E.) I can accept that it's a you thing that you want to catch every single shot, I suppose. Maybe. Yes and no, I think. Illwei advanced Stick suspicions, and Aman had mention of those. I'm interested in the Danex suspicions that never got articulated. I feel like this is a self-defeating cycle in a way - yes, I agree that it became very much about you, and part of that was Aman asking (while most NA was sleeping) for thoughts on you. Part of that was you defending from everything which makes it at least a touch self-fulfilling - Araris's D1 dictum comes to mind here again, which is where my not E/E credence jacks up I suppose. In that regard, credit to Araris for expanding the Exp train even if I nullified his efforts because I'm not willing to lynch Exp right now. We're at least eight hours past the halfway mark, but the cycle still has life in it. If not you, then who are you willing to lynch? (More on this in a bit.) Probably don't yell at me because I will likely exceed the two post limit after all guys :/ Possible Kas overcommitment coming up but in light of Falcon AG8 and the fact I'm not comfortable with how Mat sounds/feels, I want to get a better resolution to this, if at all workable. I accept you say you're chill, but I don't feel okay with this situation anyway. I can - probably afford to squeeze out a bit more time if I really have to. This is who I have right now in terms of the state of the votes: Illwei is currently a non-starter for me for this cycle, as is Experience and Aman. Archer is a non-starter as well. Light V on Devo for the moment, so no to Devo. I don't feel strongly one way or another about Ash. Thaid is now a solid Village read for me. I would not mind shifting to join on Stick; I'm indifferent to most anyone else. I think half the problem at this juncture is that a lot of the alternate options are essentially CCs. Anyone in this category I generally consider a CC or quasi-CC: Lean no on JNV and Mint because they are new(er), though I do have a slightly negative read on JNV. To channel my inner Drake: is there someone else you could be convinced to go on together, and who? (Full disclaimer that I'm okay if you say it's me - I'd prefer to get a suspect today but I also feel that losing a half-arsed Kasimir instead of a full-arsed V!Mat on the assumption you are V which I am not sure about at this point is a 'less bad' trade.)

H'okay. I've woken up just as everyone else is going to sleep, it seems. But this isn't bad because I feel dead inside and would like more sleep anyway. Before that, let me get updated and try to make one last push - for well, reasons I'm going to articulate in a bit. (Down there.) I like PMs myself as a general attitude and as a place to work thoughts out; requesting it publicly just put me in mind of Ellie as being a showy way of saying you want to plug into the game/info networks or suggestive that you have things you want to say that you can't say in thread. Which is an odd perspective because it's usually the other way around: unless people have been secretly roleclaiming to you which is a strange proposition without PMs in the first place, anything you would say in a PM, you should be willing to say in the thread, even if in a more polished form. Okay. The numbering method is a pain. I'm going to try editing yellow highlighted text into Mat's quote. Anything with a yellow highlight is from me. Let's see if that works better. Alright, there's no interleaving for this one, so this is going to be a bit of a mess :| Even more yellow! I... Experience. It's not the rational Village play since from your own perspective you're a confirmed Villager and Mat isn't but... Ugh, it's not rational but this is absolutely how I get about certain players I have very good reads on while Village (hi Wyrm) and it just, I just really can't keep seeing Experience as Evil in light of that :| More yellow comments! Less yellow this time. Don't strongly feel desperation should skew one way or another but I think I noted my ambivalence about E!Mat and the extent to which he gets defensive or desperate. Did you play LG77? You must've right? Kandra game? Did that happen? Anyway, will absolutely acknowledge that playstyle stuff aside, desperation could go either way - possible for Villager too. So I guess it's back to the context. I'm just really answering everything piecemeal and will probably have to make an evaluation at some point. Off the top of my head, I have no idea. The games I can recall involving E!Mat were...lessee, MR53, but he got converted C3 so that's not really relevant here, and I believe he absolutely roleclaimed when the lynch was creeping closer to him. I don't recall him coming close to getting the votes on him D1 in QF51 - @Archer GMed that and should know; I'm not going near that mess with Quinn and Illwei spamming the thread. Don't recall him being up for the lynch D1 in LG68. Attracted sus but no votes. No further comment since I've largely played with V!Mat than E!Mat. I...don't even recall GMing E!Mat, come to think of it. How did you think I felt GMing LG74 and dealing with them making a 12 page D1 thread :| And then there was TJ's QF50 which had the longest C1 ever and many returning players were silently weeping to the IM :| I am the King in Yellow! This, but also, that'd be a bit of a throwback closer to the LG15 era STINK than current STINK. But I think SE meta is generally (right now) against finding playstyle shifts suspicious, or lynching people for it. I consider that a good change. Has there been a game where you are not baffled at people finding you suspicious? I take the point. I'm still concerned that I'm light V-reading you at this juncture, but whatever. I don't have the time/bandwidth to sort out why I'm still worried about you properly, and as we spoke about in AG8, it's possible I just have a higher degree of paranoia where you're concerned. I'm not going to deny this post probably swayed me a bit more than it should because rationally, you're right, and the paranoid part of my brain also says that it frustrates me when people do paranoid on me out of some kayana expectation I can actually play Elim well. Which isn't what's going down here in your case but I do feel the struggle with paranoia because others have expectations of us, so yeah. Guess I'm just going to stick with my light V read of you for now :/ This is a good attitude to have in SE. Absolute trust is dangerous and gets your top trust putting five knives in your back and then killing you and betraying you and your team (I know this is a suspiciously specific statement and it happened to me.) Trusts should usually be relative, and - like suspicions - you should be willing to revise them in response to incoming evidence. Okay, you know what, soddit. By this point, Thaid is way too committed to being lost if he were an Elim, and I can't see the Elim team in this game going back and learning from Mark, or leaving him this actively lost. He's just that lost, can the GM/IM please, for the love of god, give him a tutorial in his GM PM or get a spectator to do it because this is starting to border on player cruelty. I've said it a few times, Archer's said it once. Village reading Thaid, soddit. ( @|TJ|, @Elandera, chebal....) And Araris is determined to test my resolve to squint at him :/ Bah. Agreed on Archer and Illwei, though should note the blatant Devo erasure here as Devo advanced that take, even if later than Aman Alright guys. Best effort basis. I now need to ask a favour of y'all. If you see me post on the thread more than twice tomorrow (well, later today from my perspective), please yell at me. I'm getting dragged into trying to work this cycle out a bit more than I can currently afford to be, and I am required by the lecturer to pre-submit my exam by the day after tomorrow and then present my results/findings/completed exam on Monday, so this is unideal. Gonna resay this primarily for Aman's and Stick's benefit as it's been a while since we played together and I think current playerbase is largely aware of my views: am happy to blue my exam/work situation in detail on request, but I personally dislike using blue text as the default without it being asked because I regard it as contributing to creating a norm where non-blue text becomes automatically suspect and I don't think that's a healthy communal norm. Obviously if I'm done with the exam faster than I expect to be, I will comment on having been done in the thread, in which case I do not need to be yelled at I've also gotten ninjaed maybe fifty times while writing this for which I have no one but myself to blame. Don't really want the multi-quote life anymore, though I'm sort of sticking with it because I think it's a good way to force myself to catch up or comment on some points of interest. Sigh. Going to lean with Mat, which amusingly makes my swap with Araris one of net zero. I'll be honest, the one thing that swung me was the last few exchanges. I just feel like Swan was more - active in trying to resolve conflict and solve, for lack of a better framing. Which is laughable since I only have that clarity now and D1 Meerkat sure went back and forth about Swan :/

On mobile, will fix for justification later. Despite my words, went to relook because I was a bit bothered that I couldn't really sharpen the issue on why the Szeth thing bothered me. I'm now also bothered by the Thaid softball — appreciate that we don't want to break the new player but also defeats the point of the vote — and still haven't figured out why exactly I was eh about the Szeth comment beyond what I said earlier. Going to sleep/nap for real.

__________ | | e s b l O | | | / | —————————- A P O D I C T I C I T Y C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S! L U C K Y W I N N E R! You are the 99th visitor to Tyrian Falls! You have won one free half-price Go phone!* To collect your prize, reply with: name address role(s) if any alignment credit card number the three funny numbers on the back cr: @DrakeMarshall for inflicting this on me in our PM =) *I am obligated as a professional to remind you this is a standard phishing scam: Anyway. Gonna be honest: it swung a lot - felt eh about the Szeth comment, then light V (light V or null+ at any rate, I wasn't picky) on the strength of the exchange with Archer and Devo on the possibility of V!Epics, but in summation from that post I did earlier: I agree with Illwei's Stick read more than I agree with Mat's, I'm a bit uneasy about Mat wanting to sheep my reads (he could be trolling me), and I generally feel unease when a player D1 V reads me out of the blue when I can't see much reason for them to do so, so those reasons were key in making me say here that I want to commit to rethinking my Mat read: Partly as well due to that discussion in Section B where I rethought and decided there's just too many factors in play (again, in summation - distro assumptions, team risk appetite, potential confounding factors from V Epics who don't want to out themselves as juicy NK targets, boldness, player IKYK preferences) for me to feel confident about saying that a player who says out the gate that there are V Epics is necessarily going to be Village. Pragmatically he's a null to me until I get some sleep to rethink, as I think it's clear from my last few longposts that I'm not thinking clearly anymore, thus should not persist with analysis under these conditions, though I've at least put down what I have to show my working. Sleep - which I should be doing, but I got sidetracked by vibing with Stink and listening to Castle On The Hill.

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Isn't there a transitivity problem here? If you have mindmeld paranoia, ex hypothesi you believe you share the same views/reads as the player. But if you're Village, I feel like what Illwei is driving at is that this should give you prima facie reason to think they're Village, i.e. specific reason not to exe them. Because if not, then you're also lightly committed to the idea that an exe on you is...unobjectionable? - given you both share the same views/reads. At the very least, I think we can make the point that since you have prima facie reason - on the assumption that you are Village - to think that your reads and views were derived in a pure (i.e. untainted by motivated reasoning) way, then you should at least have light commitment to either the stance that your reads and views are mistaken (in which case you probably have more problems than just Mat) or the stance that you should be revising your read of him upwards. If you're thinking of the Cham-Swan-Axl fracas D1, it was probably Kas pretending to be Araris. His voting philosophy is pretty uniquely identifying. ...And I think I got ninjaed, w00ts.

You called?

Ash, are you not sleeping @Illwei I'm a pessimist smh you should know better given I basically bet on Ash 1v13ing the Village. And I'm not really in this game to — look I'll do my best but my immediate personal wincon is not driving myself into another cycle of destruction. It's reasonable that I worry about what whether I'll keep falling to the same hamartia as I always do. @Amanuensis Fair point. Feel a little better about both of you. N.B. Will justify later. Mobile woes.

I'm largely in agreement with Aman and I kind of reached that conclusion at the end of my categorisation myself - I think it's nice to sort of do the groupings just to look for clusters (this is just me), but it's not going to be itself helpful without a flip. As I said, I also think that it's a bit hard to lie about because at the end of this cycle, we'll see the flip for ourselves. No particular read on Archer on my part because Archer is absolutely into boldness and wild gambits as an Elim so I'm not giving him a pass for it. But again, with the caveat I think my reads list is too awash with paranoia right now to be helpful - I think I'm just tired and will take the lesson from the AG8 dead doc about not persisting with analysis under very non-ideal conditions. I've done my best, and I've marked out my limitations for revisiting after work, exam prep, and - at some point - at least a nap. Dead people can lie, this is true, but it's fundamentally an informational role. Obscured write-ups are a pain for the Village, but off the top of my head, some ways I could see the mechanic working involve something like Shard game Return mechanics (so like LG29 - I think?) or MR50's hospital, where role might be revealed but not alignment, and the dead go to a temporary holding doc until they pass on or are resurrected. Probably plenty more ways this can be done that I can't think about, but gaining information is always power in the right hands, especially in a blackout game, and especially with restricted communications (and thus fewer clandestine channels of info flow) one way or another. Consider: if it's done like a hospital doc, they may flip - it'll just be a delayed flip, in which case collecting the info isn't actually bad. We'll know what to do with it afterwards. All these are just possibilities I'm throwing out, but I return to the same fact we just don't know enough, and we have to PAFO. I'm leaning - not necessarily Village but I certainly think Archer is being truthful because it's one hell of a whack thing to lie about, I just don't have a strong read on whether this is V!Archer or E!Archer right now. The issue with the E!Archer thing at the moment is I'm not seeing what the pay-off is. You could argue he gets the pay-off in trust, but that feels kind of weird as a way to earn trust. Maybe that's just me. ...God above am I talking myself into Village!Archer :| tldr; I've learned a healthy respect for infocomms roles across my SE playhistory, and without knowing enough about this game, I'm reluctant to simply count them out like this. After all, everyone knows Tineyes are functionally useless except for their sweet PMs. Everything else needs more info before we can go back to it. I'll be honest that I disliked that and I think it's for the same reasons I disliked Ellie so I'm kind of just frowning at myself since Ellie was Village :| I'm okay with joining you on Experience for the moment as I'm just not fond of where Experience is ending up in my groupings. Karn, Experience. I feel like that's why the Elim team wouldn't necessarily want to make spicy predictions - precisely because they don't know Village composition. Reckoner allies could be anything from tensor users to actual Epics (as seen from Archer's claim.) But as I pointed out in my longpost, I'm starting to revise my position on that because I think it's fundamentally at the mercy of distro (which we can't assume), risk appetite, separate player tendencies, and just which layer of the IKYK is correct. This is why I prefer to side-step the issue by grouping players together by position resonance rather than putting my foot down on what I think the correct layer is. Too many balls in the air for me to quite feel confident at this stage. One thing I didn't want to say but will just say at this point because the Elims will be working this out and I generally always work from an assumption of Elim competence, and Aman partly alluded to this, and that's that as much as Archer and everyone involved got side-eyed for roleclaiming, I'm pretty sure that the Elims are working out who likely is a Village Epic and who isn't from our reactions to the issue. Which I think adds an extra layer of confusion - Mat and Exp and, in my view, you - all basically seemed to have instant fairly robust credences in Village Epics in a way that stands out from the crowd. Less you probably because of the delayed response. That's as good as a tacit Epic claim, given how Devo and I were like "uhhhh" about it. Obviously some Villagers will be deliberately masking their own responses to sow uncertainty and to avoid outing themselves as Epics potentially with roles but that's going to be one hell of a mess to tangle out: who is a Villager who simply decided not to give a response that would make a target of them? I recognise I'm asking a lot of questions here. I don't have answers to most of them. Just gonna throw in the towel for the moment until I can charge up a bit. Good to hear I need to start laying down that Mordred RP myself. I'm happy I'm not feeling that - pressure, or that urge to drive myself into destruction, so that's good too on my part The real question is if I can hold on to that non-attachment if and when the first ML shows up. But that's on me.

I can neither confirm nor deny having to keep going (recently at colleagues): "Questions? Thoughts? Comments? Anyone?" and reflecting on how I've become my undergrad Introduction to Personal Identity lecturer Why? (Btw - I know you wanted a chill game, so if this is pushing you too much into territory you're uncomfortable with, let me know and I'll stop pressing. At this point it's more me trying to understand where you're coming from.) Yeah he was Coral Swan.

Yeah - TA as in teaching assistant, since I used to be a grad student before this job. I've been joking that recent OOG PM stuff has basically been me switching on TA mode again, where you try to get the students to discuss stuff in class, or just flood their essays with comments Part of that seems to be leaking into the game. Some of that does involve me identifying students I want to hear from and calling on them, generating discussion questions. Not to say it's the same dynamic here but I do feel like I'm switching on that part of me again for the first time in quite a while. Oh? Mat? I'll mention it if I figure out why - I don't really like raw gut reads, but I also think my proto-reads list has to be refined anyway, I just need to be able to have the time and attention to work things out. The fact I have bad feelings or paranoia about so many suggests to me that exhaustion might be clouding my own clarity. We'll see. Best effort basis. Off the top of my head, I think it's because you're currently reminding me of MR38 you, and in both cases, you were Village. Edited to add: Honestly that's probably the source of my Araris unease - he's giving me LG78 / MR52 vibes and he was Evil there.

I was just gonna make an A-Team joke myself Though I did make a train meme that never saw action in AG8: Better late than never? Appropos for D1 anyway.

Multiquotes within the spoiler box because I don't want to wallpost shamelessly unlike Fifth so my sin be hidden. B. Thoughts/Comments C. Very Basic Proto-Reads List: Alright, heads-up that the effort/attention I can pay to this game is going to drop further due to some RL work stuff being dropped on my head. I do have Mordred RP I will drop and I do intend to keep up my job as the Village Renegade/Instigator but everything in this game is just going to be best effort basis and probably not much in-depth engagement. Not going to be sorry because I'm just tired.

Alright, I'm impressed, you have my sword as Tineye Sweet Photoshop skills right there. As I'm currently nursing a terrible bad no good gut on you and on Thaid, I feel like it'd be hypocritical to push you on your gut while sticking to mine...

You could adjust/tune that, I think. TWSBI Go technically also uses a standard JoWo - #5 or #6, can't remember, so you have options there.

This is interesting to me, because this just read like an unremarkable RP reason, but then: Archer should be a Coinshot because he pushes on this! It's interesting to me that this exchange did in fact grow. It feels like Devo and Archer could be talking on two separate levels: I'm reading Devo's comment as being more RP-focused, and Archer is thinking in terms of roles. No real read off of this, but something about it just seems odd to me. Ah, yes, good to see Spark back after all these years And some vintage Araris bloodthirst to go with it! I think it's interesting I have a different gut reaction to this than I do to Archer asking Devo if she's saying she isn't an Epic. I feel as though Exp's question seems to come from a "Epics = Elims = Bad" perspective which seems a tad more Village to me, especially since the context of this exchange has Experience reacting to Archer being seemingly thrown about Devo seemingly not being an Epic; I do think that Elims might be a bit more likely to want to steer clear of association with Epics in the first place. Gonna be honest that this and later posts from Thaid just gives me a negative gut read on them. I'm aware that I have certain biases but this is absolutely flipping my LG5 Khas alarms right now. Either way, I am not for kastigating a new player C1, so I am not going to do more than note that I feel Thaid is so lost that it starts to feel like he's playing things up - General Rules & Etiquette, which Thaid says he's read technically does cover the basics. This is not a bad thought. I approve. The fourth rule of shuffle squat bros: only one Kas and one Mat to a shuffle squat. The fifth rule: only one shuffle squat at a time! The seventh rule: shuffle squats will go on as long as they have to. The eighth rule: if you haven't yet had a shuffle squat this game, you have to fight Are you sure about that old dude :eyes: I'm confused why/how you forgot about that vote when I don't on a quick glance see you referring to it at any other point. What is that reverse-psychology D1 anti-bus strategy holy chull. Do you want two nickels? Gonna be honest this one just gives me a bad feeling about you. Hesitating on voting Araris for now because I want to increase discussion and I see some candidates I want to pressure, but I would not be opposed to hitting up Araris later into the cycle. Either I'm tunnelling or this just gives me a bad feeling because it looks like sheeping. Same point about Thaid being new, so I'm not going to make a big deal out of it, but I do want to note my reaction for my own sake before moving on. Alright, I'll bite, why? I'm aware of your D1 voting philosophy - but why specifically as a reaction to that? I'm trying not to go into this side-tangent because I think it is interesting, but at the same time, it's not directly relevant. I would say though that I think it's not necessarily just about playstyle but about interactions and the context as well. Which is ironic as the next post in my multi-quote is from Illwei where she does pretty much the same thing hoping it'll stick eventually. In the AG8 dead doc, you complained that no one ever asks you about your reads. On one hand, I feel like you could just say it instead of baiting and waiting for people to ask, but okay, I'll bite. Why (to anything.) What the Thank you. ................................ From my point of view, it should be set on fire. I think you're better off playing Pyre. Wyrm's told me it's good, how's your game going? I can assure you there's already one that's unsurprisingly wrong Yeah, it reads like Archer and Devo had crossed wires up there. Slight positive on Devo for that bolded bit because I agree with that reasoning. But this is also Archer so. I'm not sure how I feel about this. It's not the intuitive thing for an Elim to try to advance, at the very least. Same deal as with Experience. Mat, I guess our first shuffle squat has temporarily ended Fierfek. What's the basis for this claim? Thank you. As I'm apparently a late adopter of Fifth's multi-quote style (blame it on me discovering how to do this without c/p via the AG8 aftermath - and wait for Fifth to yell about blatant Orlok erasure!) - I'm just gonna sigh and shake my fist and complain about the Thread Unsafety generation. At least Araris is- Right, crap, I don't have good vibes from him and might wanna final vote him. Urgh. This doesn't feel exactly like what Devo said. What are you saying? So, first, this is very classic Archer - Archer loves his big YMMV D1 plans. No particular read for this. At the same time, I feel as though there's a clear difference between claiming more or less off the bat, and claiming when you have information and are thus forced to out yourself. I'm not really a fan of Archer's move here, and I think I'm hesitant about whether this is Villager strategic conflict or just Evil. Disagree on Mat's game being very mechanically solvable - I think the weaker point stands, which is that once we knew everyone seemed to have a one-shot kill, it was kayana to expect the Elims not to have any form of survivability at all. And that's precisely the point of the % mechanic - both to protect them, and throw a wrench into any Village plans to mechanically solve the game. We would have gotten hurt very badly if we assumed Mage's survival made him Village. It just so happened that it didn't fundamentally matter because lylo. Anyway I guess it could be my biases on unwarranted threadclaiming - just don't really see how we need that at this point. At the very least, one flip should be helpful and give us a bit more context to work out the catch so I'm not really sure why you feel the need to do that right now. You can't unsay what has been said. I continue to marvel at how these days I can agree so much with half of what Illwei says and feel eh about the rest of what she says. But the bolded bits I absolutely agree with. Ish? I don't know. I think knowing about Szeth and Archer helped us in LG82. But I also think our hand was forced in that situation, in a way that it wasn't necessarily forced here and I'm not sure that saying it before the crunch point is really worth it but. Anyway, okay, if Archer is truthful, he's claiming that at we have at least one Village Epic. (I guess if he wants to claim Evil Epic he can do that too ) Which is consistent with Mat and Exp, and puts him slightly at odds with Devo. Point of order - we were never supposed to do that anyway, they made it more clear in the rules, that's all. But you know, there were El's glorious memes and Ruining of the write-up to make it very clear Regular v. Roleless v. Vanilla was a potayto/potahto difference in AG8. Maybe it's time to see how creative TJ can get (Don't yell at me please Elan I just want to troll my bro!) >> You thrived on the suffering, didn't you. Did he though? And is that something we can work out right now in our current informational state? MR43 didn't need to be partial blackout. And Elan's MR37/AN6 didn't even need to be blackout but was just kind of blackout out of inertia. LG28 though absolutely had to be blackout. But the point is, not all blackout games fulfill strict blackout conditions such that secrecy is required. I'm not really sure we have enough information right now to work out which way this one swings. Thank you. Because it's Newcomb's paradox smh. Which boxer are you. Asking the important questions on my mind, my dude Stay frosty. Yeah MTE. Right off the bat is strong, but you have in fact voted your teammates D1 before, with LG78 and LG74 coming right off the top of my head as examples, so it's interesting to me that you're defensive about this. This is take #2 as I lost my first multi-quote. I now understand why LG74 drove Fifth kayana :| I also see a lot of people making posts I continuously miss and am just going to post this and regret trying to multi-quote. I don't think the multi-quote life is for me :| Karnatheon for the moment. Would like to hear more from JNV as well, but Karn, I'm pretty sure I saw you looking at the thread at one point. Thoughts? @Orlok Tsubodai @Amanuensis @Karnatheon @MintSilverTea

Low key tempted to rerun because that Traitor team was so screwed over in so many ways - and like you said, rampant inactivity (seems to be Wyrm's curse actually) - but I feel that like the OG House game, you kind of need players not to look at the Traitor's Guide which means coming up with new Traitors and Omens and making it a blackout again...

This is true, it's too early in our relationship for that :eyes: So, I'm interested because there's two construals of what you say: A. Szeth has been on an Elim streak the past few games (? - wasn't he Village in Elan's MR55?), therefore this isn't so much an Elim tell as a Szeth tell that gets coded Elim because Szeth just so happens to be Elim and B. Szeth has been on an Elim streak the past few games (?? - same question, actually not just MR55, he was definitely Village in LG82 which you GMed, my good sir!) - so this is likely just a normal Szeth tell because he's not likely to be Elim this time. One construal, as you can appreciate, is slightly more alarming than the other one

Devo Mat Hello there! I don't think we've performed our required shuffle squat yet!

Our opposition is Epics. I feel like Summon Bigger Frog could be a viable skillset Or Summon Frogs of War? Wow, suddenly I feel so very unsafe... Why would you do that man

Tbh I read it as Frog of War too. I blame the AG8 dead doc :| Y'all ask questions???