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Kal dropped down into a chasm, breaking his legs and them healing due to stormlight. Vin dropped plenty of times great distances where he legs screamed in pain, but did not snap. And even if they did, the pewter arm could drag himself around till they set/healed. edit: and since i had to do this in another thread on a similar topic matter, if you give me like 20 minutes or so, I can pull up the scenes for each. Just a bit swamped at the moment.

double post to reply to this since I was typing another reply. I already commented on this. A nicriburst coinshot combo would disarm the shardbearer everytime while a pewter thug came up to fight him to distract him while a leecher drained the shardplate to a oversized paperweight.

Ok, so as I am a bit swamped with work, I do not have the time to type up the quotes, I will however leave the page number and book to the kindle edition so anyone who would like to, could reference what I am bringing up. Helps save me some time and my hands lol. So here we go. page 15 Well of Ascension Vin is fighting a haze killer squad that has three thugs. One thug catches her in the ribs with a dueling cane and literally flings her across the street from that blow alone. page 493 Well of Ascension, A coinshot starts to fly away, and Vin smacks him out of midair with a dueling cane throwing him to the side. So with pewter she literally swats another person out of mid air like a fly, changing the direction he is going page 631 Well of Ascension, Zane kicks oreseur wolf hound form tumbling across the floor. page 734 Well of Ascension, Vin flares pewter and punches a koloss (5 feet taller than her, so roughly 10 ft tall), in the face cracking the skull. No duralumin Now for the Way of Kings portion page 379 Way of Kings Dalinar kicks the parshendi corpse sending it tumbling 30 ft page 780 Way of Kings Dalinar kicks a parshendi in the chest, sending him 20 ft So both groups seem to be able to throw people around pretty good. Just it wasn't brought up as much in mistborn, because the main character was a mistborn, who could use anchors to throw enemies farther than 30 feet with just pushes and pulls. Check the battle with Cett. Only twice or so does Vin use a duralumin push. Otherwise its normal pushes and pulls decimating 50 soldiers. and that was only on one floor. So yes shardbearers sweep their sword and take out tons of parshendi, but mistings when grouped right and working together can hold their own decently too

Which is why I said groups of two, one coinshot or lurcher, one nicroburst, because as IndigoAjah pointed out, the nicroburst acts as duralumin for the coinshot or lurcher. I could have sworn Vin did something similar in the court scene when Straff's assassins go for Elend, but I will need to check. Give me like a half an hour or so to handle some things, and I will do a word search in my kindle.

Lol wish there was a place you could just go and type a word in, and every WoB with that word in it would pop up. There is the interview database, but that is far far from comprehensive. Lol again, it is why I said close. Like IndigoAjah said, I feel like people are overestimating shardplate, and underestimating pewter. Doesn't mean they are equal, but also doesn't mean they are so massively far apart.

I could have sworn there was something mentioned, but I suck at searching for WoBs. However, there is most definitely a WoB that says pewter roughly doubles your strength, and flaring roughly triples it. There is most definitely a quote in Way of Kings where Dalinar wields a hammer with one hand that takes two men to lift. Also keep in mind, a head but from a pewter flaring Vin exploded an enemy pewter burning's head, while a punch to the face from a shardbearer to Szeths face broke his jaw. That is why I said close to.

Well we already have hazekillers for mistborn. Why not shardkillers? A group of trained individuals that comprise of a coinshot, a nicroburst, a pewter arm, and a leecher? The coinshot with the nicroburst could continually disarm the shardbearer while the thug focuses his attention, and then the leecher slips in and touches the armor robbing it of all its stormlight. This of course is in reference to shardbearers. A radiant would be an entirely different story.

That's not what I was saying. I was saying it would make more sense to: Bands of Mourning as a means of transportation than spike one individual to get one person from point a to point b

Could it be like a scale? The more spikes you have, the more susceptible you become, which means the less effective copper or aluminum would be for you? Though would kind of be funny if I stabbed myself with a spike to get copper but didn't know it would only result in making me vulnerable enough that I might as well not have had the copper to begin with. Then I would spike myself with more copper, to make my cloud stronger, but the second spike would make me more vulnerable to again negate the additional strength.

I am.....confused.....lol. The quote was in regards to a book that gave broad descriptions of the radiants of old. My point was based on that quote it was more likely that the skybreakers would be the ones that could tell lies from the truths. I never said physical evidence would not come into play at all, just that such a comment would not make sense in my mind to refer to physical evidence. Finding out who is guilty with physical evidence, when anyone would have access to the same level of technology does not seem like something fantastical unique only to one order. You could say maybe they were all amazing detectives like batman. But that still involves being able to read people to know when someone is misleading you and knowing when to suspect someone. Of course they could point the finger at who ever they want, and say guilty but that would breed fear. The quote makes it sound like when they state someone is guilty, it is 9 times out of 10 right, hence the "canny" comment. Also does not sound very honorable to me to declare someone guilty who is innocent like the Spanish Inquisition just to enforce their own power. Wouldn't they lose their powers? Nale is an entirely other story lol

Although as you offer it is certainly possible, it seems like a lot of work just to transport one individual at the result of two deaths when you could world hop using the cognitive realm or come up with a way of using a ship lol.

Barring a person being present during the actual crime committed, you have to work with physical evidence and witness testimony. It the quote was referring to physical evidence, then why would they be exceptional regarding it vs just about anyone else around with the same means available? So I believe the implication is regarding witness testimony and weeding out who lies and who tells the truth to determine who is innocent and who is guilty.

So you could have two person teams. One a coinshot or lurcher, the other a nicroburst. Sanderson has commented a duralumin fueled push or pull would affect a shardblade.

I understood, but that point is not just a minor pro. The original post stated why wouldn't hemalurgy be phased out in favor of medallions and that is a huge reason why. When preventing an entire system from collapsing depends on an entirely other system, that is a rather big reason to keep it around. I asked the question that way because as you stated, unless someone decides to use the well, medallion and hemalurgy will always be linked. So unless you can think of a way to make medallions from scratch without hemalurgy, then it will never go the way of the dodo.

Double post since this was put up while i was typing a reply to another post lol. So few things. First by the time a shardbearer closes on the pewter arm to get clubbed, most of their plate has been shattered or damaged by the bullet barrage from the heavy machine gun which slows down or downright locks up the shardbearer to have his head batted out like a baseball. Second, all of Kal's men that attacked Helaran were just that. Just men. No abilities or investiture. Pewter arms would have the speed, strength, and dexterity to avoid the blade much like Kal using stormlight took them on during Adolin's duel. Warform we know very little if anything at all about its capabilities to compare it to a pewter burner. You can be a track runner, able to run fast, but that doesn't mean you can leap really far. Same thing in reverse. So just because the parshendi war form can leap chasms (from a running start, and cannot do if tired) does not mean it equates with pewter nor stormlight. So the Scadrials get a shardbearer, and back him or her up with the guns that helped them get one to begin with. They wouldn't field the shardbearer alone. And Scadrial still uses dueling canes. True the style would be slightly different as they aim to break arms rather than sever them, but to say they do not use swords at all anymore is not true.

So first, I am noticing this topic is starting to merge with the other topic in many ways with the war between roshar and scadrial. Because we went from could shardplate stand up against bullets, to then the practically of applying it to battle. So if this post digresses I apologize. No worries, if i assumed allomantic pewter in error when we are discussing feruchemical then I apologize. Otherwise allomantic pewter gives strength, speed, dexterity, balance, endurance, durability, and healing. Also just to be clear (not that you implied this, but I always like to cover my bases), when I reply to your comments regarding battle, it is not to say you are wrong. You are clearly knowledgeable in the field and I defer to such knowledge. What I love about Sanderson's books is that he comes up with clever and unique uses for powers. So my replies are more a mental exercise to think, "well if I was a commanding officer, and my troops were put into these situations with this gear, how would I maximize these allomantic resources?". So actually last night I thought of a funny/awesome team. Have a pewter arm, and a coin shot. As the thug pulls the trigger on the heavy machine gun, the coin shot pushes on the bullet casings flying out. So you effectively double the output with the same amount of ammunition. So this also goes to show my level of practical knowledge vs yours in this subject. I should have more used the term modern warfare vs trench or medieval warfare. Trench or medieval warfare would involve wide open areas of staging combat, or use of the environment (forests). Modern warfare, or at least my impression of modern warfare is much more scaled down. You have platoons of a group of men vs a legion. The weapons employed allow for much more accomplished with much less people. So assuming modern warfare where we are discussing a fire team (3 to 4 men), a squad (8 to 12) or a platoon 15 - 30) my responses to your points would change. So first regarding water/food. You could have in a fire team, one pewter arm machine gunner, a coin shot, a tin eye sniper, and a bronze seeker. Those would be for quick small engagements. Perhaps guerilla warfare with the shardbearer. Now for a squad that might do extended engagements, you could increase the number of pewter arms, where two or three would be heavy machine gunners, while 1 or 2 would have standard weapon distribution but be the "mules" for the other pewter arms by being loaded up with food and water for them. Everyone else would carry their own food or water as per normal, so everything would not overly weigh those pewter arms down. The rest of the platoon could have all sorts of combos. Could still have a tin eye sniper coupled with the bronze seeker, while the coin shots lay down covering fire with the heavy machine gun pewter arms.

But pewter does handle a lot of those issues. It doesn't only bestow strength. It gives dexterity and speed to help your feeding issue while shooting. Won't need to bash against anything because you would be strong enough to do so yourself. If the thing blows in your face, you could shrug off the damage, and use it to club anyone that gets into range. Pewter burners can go longer without food and drink. Now if you have your whole platoon running non stop at a horse's gallop, then water is going to be an issue, but this is purely in the effort to field more weaponry. Also you are switching back and forth between urban war fare and full scale battle field. What is the scenario we are working with? Because the solution regarding water and food would change between one or the other. Same thing with how the pewter burner would carry his gear. So are we talking urban on Scadrial, or wide open plains like Roshar?

Scadrial has soothers and rioters. Why couldn't they inflame the tensions and battle between the Alethi and the Parshendi like the British empire did with the Native American tribes? Turn them against each other, and watch them do the work for you. You are forgetting the potential population loss from the everstorm and whatever happens in the next three stormlight books. You could have Roshar, that lacks heralds, has 1 percent of the radiants it had in the past, dealing with an everstorm that never existed before converting countless parshendi in key positions of vulnerability. Humans on Roshar in the past barely survived the desolations and that was WITH all the heralds, an army of radiants, and no everstorm, while the current lacks all of that. When this hypothetical war occurs, the population of Roshar could be so utterly devastated to an almost extinction level.

Couldn't pewterarms carry heavy machine guns with loads of ammo pretty easily?

Wouldn't have to stop it. All he would have to do is brush the object as he dodged running past it to inhale the stormlight. Just as Szeth did to reclaim stormlight he lashed into objects of his own edit: also as you pointed out due to acceleration, the closer Kal got to Szeth (the origin of the lashings), the easier the objects would be to dodge, and reabsorb the stormlight from as they would not have enough space in which to accelerate sufficiently.

Yes we do. Words of Radiance page 1027 kindle edition "Kaladin let the Stormlight evaporate before him. He was running low - his frantic flight across the Plains had drained him. how shocked he had been when the flare of light rising into the darkening sky above a lit plateau had turned out to be Dalinar himself. lashed to the sky by Szeth. Kaladin had caught him quickly and sent him back to the ground with a careful lashing of his own." So it wasn't that Szeth's lashing had ran out by the time Kaladin reached him. Dalinar was still rising. If it was Kaladin used a lashing to counter act Szeth's lashing, then when Szeth's ran out, Dalinar would have accelerated to the ground due to the lack of resistance pulling up. Instead Dalinar drifts gently to the ground due to Kaladin's own lashing.

But couldn't Kaladin just draw the stormlight out of the items that Szeth lashed, depleting Szeth, and increasing his own stores as result?

But would Szeth be able to lash Kaladin while Kal is full of stormlight as well?

Well here is a question. Let us say, that every medallion and the bands were suddenly destroyed or lost. Without hemalurgy, unless the excisors work in a way we do not know, how would you make more medallions? The medallions need someone with all of the powers to make medallions for other powers. And then using more medallions to make more medallions. But since in the current era, to our knowledge there does not exist a fullborn. Or at least one at hand. Then how would you start the medallion process over without hemalurgy?