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Thing is I cannot say yes or no. We just haven't seen it to know if it could. And we also haven't seen signs to say it couldn't. The only thing supporting it, is a WoB which admitted if a ferring or feruchemist trained enough, he or she could use pewter to tap or store strength from just their arm. Now is this restricted to certain attributes? Just like how there is an entire thread trying to figure out why copper theoretically works differently than every other attribute. A person could exercise their arm, and only their arm, making it more muscular than the rest of their body, so for me at least, storing and tapping just the arm isn't far fetched. But unless you wear a T shirt, with heavy gloves, your core is not going to be cooler than your hands. I dunno. It runs into the same problem as, as you brought up, duralumin. No one knows yet how it works. People assume by storing connection people don't notice you and by tapping it everyone loves you, but we haven't seen it actually used yet. The only place we have seen it yet is: So basically what I am trying to say is this. If you like the idea and think it is cool, enjoy. I do not know that it works the way you think, but geek out on your head canon till we see otherwise

He didn't completely get rid of his bloodline. He turned those loyal to him into immortal servants that worshiped him. The other feruchemists he turned into mindless mistwraiths that could be "reprogrammed" to see him as their "father" and again worship him. So his master race did very much still exist, and in fact long outlived his detractors. The terris people he wiped out and subjugated are those that stood against him. Which for a racist I could very much see thinking "well if they can't see sense, then I will treat them like the dirt they so love to defend".

True, though there is a speech where he compares the differences between mistborn and mistings. Why wouldn't he bring that up then?

Keep in mind due to the honorblade he is also a surgebinder using stormlight with all of its speed, strength and healing benefits. So he can hit hard too. Kaladin, using a helm like a gauntlet is able to crack shardplate while using stormlight. Storms he is able to crack/shatter it with his own feet, with increased gravity. It is a cool concept, just I am not sold on it.

If it was a full feruchemist, then there would be no problem at all as any damage could be healed from gold, and as you said he could tap breath But like I said, to the best of my recollection (correct me if I am wrong), but we have not seen anywhere where a ferring or feruchemist could tap an attribute from one metal mind, and immediately store it in another at the exact same time. So we do not even know it is possible to accomplish. Now if you tapped only, till you heated up your whole body (which potentially could be still be a problem as, as I said, your body does not evenly distribute your body heat since it starts from your core and extends out, check out a heat camera and you will see what I mean) then you would have to switch to storing only till you cooled down and then you could return to normal. Though the sudden changes in temperature could lead to a whole other host of issues. edit: but this is me looking at the issue intuitively. If there is someone with more knowledge in physics like IndigoAjah, or more knowledge in biology that can say why it wouldn't work that way, then I defer to you.

So this made me think of another idea. Assuming I understand correctly, then just selectively heading your hands would be a problem because your wrists or holding them any where near your body would cause burns right? Since the other parts of your body are cooler. So if that is true, here is another thought I had. Your body isn't heated evenly over its entire length. Your core has a higher temperature than your extremities for instance. So increasing your body heat would probably hold the same distribution right? Which at a certain temperature would result in the same issue as heating up just one part of your body with training. Or you would have to train to learn how to heat every inch of yourself the same amount at the same time.but would that even work? I know a skilled ferring could just increase their strength in theirnarm, but our body heat originates from our core and circulates out. So how would heating just your hand while your core stays comparatively cool even work?

But that is where this stuff gets wonky. So you are only immune to your own body heat, but because your own body heat heats the air, as long as your own body is hotter than the air, then no heat is transfered back to you as exterior and then damaging. But then what would happen if you reach a temperature in body heat in lets say an enclosed room, so then hypothetically the room reaches the same temperature as your body (assuming you have some means to still breathe). Then still nothing would happen because it would reach homestatis? But what keeps coming into my head is the surrounding head is cognitively separate from you. But based on what you said, that still doesn't matter. So then hypothetically in order to not be burned, it would be similar to what fungi said, just not at the same time. You would tap till your heated up. Heat up whatever you heat up, resulting in air around you heating up. Then quickly switch to storing, so the resulting heated air around you would store instead of burn you till it cools down too, and then you could go back to normal. Though there would be still the whole breathing problem, and also worrying about your metalminds melting off your body to a puddle on the floor.

Lol I have always been curiouser than a cat, but harder to kill than a cockroach. It has certainly has expanded my horizons over the years. Picked up some tricks on a drive across country to Burning Man in Black Rock City, Nevada 6 years ago. Now as to your point regarding the firesoul not getting burned. It is a very clever idea, so upvote and props on that. But I am unsure if it is possible for a ferring/feruchemist to tap and store the same ability at the same time even if it is separate metal minds. At least I do not recall it ever happening in the books. That does not necessarily mean it is impossible. Just I haven't seen any application to say it is possible.

Having played with fire myself, it takes five seconds of sustained exposure to a standard flame to get a second degree burn. To clarify, a first degree burn, is when you have a flare of flame, that burns away your hair and the dead layer of skin of your flesh. You are fine and suffer no damage except singed hair. That is how fire throwers play with fire without getting burned. The only flammable substance is the stimulant. Flesh itself isn't "flammable". People are set on fire because of gasoline, clothes, etc. You would have to hold fire to flesh for an extended period of time to burn it enough to do damage, or to ignite it. That is why I said you would have to make your hands hot enough that it heats the air around the hands. You touch a red hot poker, it is going to take away some skin. Now take a red hot poker, and place your hand next to it. Not on it. near it. The radiating heat will burn you. So my point is, to get your hands hot enough that you would do damage purely on contact for the second your fist contacts another's face, it would have to be hot enough to be damaging to you based on what we know regarding the power. Now I don't have a degree in physics myself, so it could be given the size of the area, the heat transfer would not be enough, or a host of other things. I am just going on my own experience handling fire, and spending time with fire throwers.

You literally said fist fight. That is why unless we are including a martial arts focused on grapples, which would maximize the surface body contact to cook the foe in your arms, it wouldn't be of much use. The whole point of boxing is to throw your fist out for either quick jabs, or heavy slugs. Both involve extending the arm, contacting the enemy, retracting said arm, and reasserting the defensive posture to prevent the returned attacks. If the hands were hot enough to harm someone just by being close to the face, it would also heat the air enough for the air to burn the firesoul. he is immune to his own heat, but as pointed out, superheating the air around it would burn you.

There is also WoB that what Wayne does is mundane, not magical. He practices and gets him mind into it.

Sorry to burst your bubble more, but unless you are referring to martial arts that involve grappling, having heated hands would not matter much in a fist fight. When you punch someone, you aren't leaving your fists connected to their face long enough for the heat to burn them.

Just to clarify before I give my answer, do you mean scout out the enemy and show how I use my team to scout it? Or scout out my special forces team and explain why I chose each member?

I agree wholeheartily to ask Sanderson, but the more I think on this, the more I feel it was just a minor oversight. So basically we have instances where characters (Demoux,Vin and Spook), become surprised when they find there is a new source to burn, which would lend credence that mistings wouldn't notice it/be able to burn a metal that is not their own. But if that was the case, then wouldn't a mistborn, or misting for that matter, immediately know when a metal is not alloyed correctly, or is not allomantically viable? Just check if you see a source. if there is not one, its not allomantically viable. If it is weaker than the others, then it wasn't properly mixed. Then throw up the metal if it is wrong or bad. No risk of death or poisoning from burning. Yet it is implied in the book the only way to know for sure if something is allomantically viable is to try and burn it, risking poisoning or death.

Not when as you said, Harmony and potentially Odium are very much involved in the worlds, but I agree that discussion is more appropriate for another thread. Regarding your edit, in the end I believe we will just have to agree to disagree. For the record the original post said: So, I'll start this with how this would happen. For simplicity, lets say this conflict takes place between Alethkar and Elendel, with none of the other factions coming into play. Elendel's people (at least the North) have a great hatred towards slavery, due to TLR's oppression, and many religious figures fighting slavery and oppression. Alethkar has widespread use of slavery, a caste system similar to nobles and skaa, and pretty corrupt/terrible leaders, so it's not to hard to imagine one of these nations going at the others throat. Who do you think would win? I took that to mean, "hey here is a scenario I came up with in my head. Given the things we know, it isn't totally far fetched. So if this did occur, who would win?". If the OP meant otherwise then I misunderstood.

Hmmmm, perhaps it is both. Perhaps if anyone attempts to burn a non-allomantic metal, they get sick or die. If a misting attempts to burn a metal that is not their metal but is allomantically viable, just nothing happens at all. Otherwise when Elend had people hand out vials of the metals to find out of the people who snapped in the mists, what abilities they get, they would die from the attempt. He did tell them to attempt to burn the metals in the vial. So I am leaning towards that being the situation as I type this

Ah, gotcha. Sorry then, at this point I will then shut up lol.

Why?

That description I provided about the balloon is literally the example Brandon gave. I wasn't arguing power. I was stating regarding terms and why she would be considered a sliver first and then a vessel. By touching a shard, it expands you and changes you even when you give it up. Which is why you are still considered a sliver after giving it up. By taking it up and keeping it, you become a vessel. Not arguing power levels, just terms.

I can look, but there is a literal quote where Kelsier is concerned about burning malatium as it potentially not being allomantically viable (he didn't know it was an alloy. there is a thread where we all went back and forth for awhile before quotes definitively proved he didn't know) and thus killing him from the attempt. So that coupled with the other conversation instructing Vin in metals, makes me feel you can burn any metal, but if it is allomantically unviable, it will make you sick or kill you.

And just to clarify a misnomer I read elsewhere, it is only for that particular wound. It doesn't shut down all healing in the target. So if you shot a gold compounder with one aluminum bullet, and 3 normal bullets, the 3 normal would heal and be pushed out, but the one aluminum would remain till forceably removed. Then it would heal as per normal compounding.

But wasn't he also fiercely racist regarding Alendi's people? Felt his own Terris people were the superior race and should be the ones ruling? Regardless what he did while in power, the person to begin with was not a nice man long before Ruin started whispering.

Would probably look a lot like someone holding the bands

If I recall correctly (so if someone could provide the WoB or pertinent quote), being a sliver is like filling a balloon to nearly bursting, and then emptying it. You are empty of the power, but you are still expanded from the experience.

If I recall correctly she was a sliver when she touched the well and gave away the power, and then became a vessel when she took it up later. So I believe she was both.