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It is a four faction game. We just decided to clean house before we got on with the actual war
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On cycle two, after you scanned Seonid and got a result of Discovery from him, why did you then bribe him?
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Haha! Haha! Haha! Ha-urgh... Hael, yes please... If you could tell us who the remaining Discovery members are, that'd be great.
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No, really? Too kind, you shouldn't have
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Zephrer, it isn't about how suspicious we find you, it is about how suspicious you are compared with all of the other players. If you've not been scanned yet, it is because there have been other people who have gained more suspicions that you. Kipper, you did exactly what I thought you would if you were innocent, and prevented me from attacking a target (I would also like to say thank you to both Kipper and Hael for revealing my role, not in so many words, but it was fairly obvious). Ok, I'll accept your innocence. It has been proven to my satisfaction. Like I said though, if it wasn't you, then who was it? I keep coming back to Pixie, as I think misrepresenting themselves in our faction doc and using out of game knowledge to verify the lie would be a nasty move from Bridge Boy and Paranoid King. I'm not vacillating over Hael and Clanky. As was suggested earlier in the thread, I've put forward the motion to have Hael lynched this cycle in our doc.
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Yes, if not as much as I did yesterday. Now it is mostly because, if not you, who is the other Discovery from the original members of Glory? The only one that hasn't been soft-confirmed in my eyes is Pixie. Unless, of course, BB and/or PK were lying to cover for the other. You weren't targeted by our Striker last cycle, Kipper. Clanky was, and he should now be dead, but isn't now, thanks to you. I thought I had more to reply to than this, if I've missed anything, someone poke me with it. Edit: Inconceivable! Shallan being confirmed (thanks Adamir ) means that, apart from the slight possibility that BB or PK is Discovery, we are clear too. That suggests that all three Discovery remaining are all in Heritage. There are five people in Heritage that I've not seen or heard confirmation for: Dowanx, Phattemer, Pixie, Zephrer, Alvron. Seonid has implied Dowanx could be trusted, and for now I'm going to assume the roles BB and PK claimed were true, which makes one of the Discoverers Pixie. Out of the others, I have no idea what Zephrer is capable of, but I could well believe that both Phattemer and Alvron could keep themselves hidden. Edit 2: I've asked Shallan if she will scan Pixie this cycle, assuming whoever said she was a Diplomat was correct. Also, I didn't add Eowyn's name onto the list above as Seonid said Heritage would be scanning her this cycle. Eowyn, would you mind taking one of the other names on my list to scan please? While you ar enot a member of Heritage, it may be an idea to check them for Discovery. Edit 3: It could well be simple enthusiasm, but my innocent comments when I was an Eliminator in LG12 got Wilson on my trail, so I'll share here, just for good measure. PK seems very enthusiastic about Wyrm's death - "At last! Our bitter enemy has met his match." Edit 4: I just noticed the title of this cycle... Nice play on words there, Kas
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Hi guys, sorry I've not been on since the roll over. I was out for my anniversary. I'll get to the replies tomorrow but I do wonder, Kipper, did you role block me? Edit : Araris, when we bribed you, we were counting on your loyalty to Seonid. If it did look like taking out Moderation, a private way to communicate with Heritage would have been invaluable. I had every intention of seeing you reunited before the end of the game. Edit 2: Vouching. BB, PK, Zas and myself have all claimed roles. You're right about my being biased towards myself, so I'll let the others speak for me. Zas has pretty much confirmed the role he claimed, in my eyes at least. Not going to share details as it would reveal his role. BB and PK both claimed roles. Being honest I've not asked them to confirm them properly . They vouched for each other on the grounds that they are brothers and regularly see the other's screen. If i had to be honest, the role PK claimed would be easiest to hide behind. Pixie, I can say nothing about. We had a few lines from him (her?) in the cycle one doc but they left immediately.
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Kipper, you never said anything about not understanding the strategy that was suggested. What you did say was that you were "dubious about the ultimate effectiveness of inter-faction cooperation" given that we would eventually be enemies, yet, it seems that working together has been one of the best ways of working out who the Discoverers are. Oh, another reason not to trust you, I forgot about this in my previous post, but when Seonid was being helpful, you tried to get him killed. I've lost the reference to it right now, but I'll find it again later. So, when people in Glory suggest working together to find Discovery, you disagree and tell us 'But we're enemies...', and when Seonid comes out and, basically, suggests the same thing, you try to get him killed. Why am I suspicious of you again? Even disregarding what Wyrm says, which I am more or less doing there is still sufficient reason to be suspicious. As for the declaration about Clanky and Hael revealing themselves in the Moderation doc, and Hael's denial, currently, we don't trust either of you, so that could go either way.
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No, Hael, not yet. We've got just under another two hours before the cycle ends, so we should all put our vote changes in in about an hour and 45 minutes Note, I am just kidding here. This is not a call for anyone to actually change their votes to Dow.
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Of course we will Kas, especially for you (and your sanity)
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A strand of long, white hair blew on the breeze. It twisted, dancing, as it spun in a circle. Suddenly the circle solidified into a portal, reaching from the floor to about chest height in your average Alethi. A midget mass of white beard stepped through, and looked around. Seeing the Shattered Plains, Bortholemew the Blind nodded to himself, his eyebrows dipping, then catching the breeze and blowing off to one side. "Roshar..." he muttered to himself. It didn't take him long to reach a Warcamp - Thanadal's from the banners. It seemed to be busy, so Bortholemew slipped into the camp while the guards were distracted, and wandered for a while, just listening to the conversation. Eventually, he heard what he was looking for... Urithiru. It seemed like these people were going that way themselves, excellent. Bortholemew really didn't like the idea of wandering the plains looking for the damned Oathgate. Of, course, it was quite possible (although Bortholemew had never risked putting this to the test), that his beardomancy could be strong enough to harness a chasmfiend to use as a mount, but Botholemew really couldn't be bothered with digging his way out of a chasmfiend, should the beardomancy prove futile. So, the midget Knight Awkward decided to stay with the Thanadal citizens, and make his way to Urithiru with them. Once there, his quest for the Shardmarks could continue. Bortholemew the Blind signing up.
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I'm half brain dead today - an already late night coupled with ridiculous heat means not much sleep at all last night, so forgive me for being brief (and possibly confusing (or confused, maybe?)). Reasons I am suspicious of Kipper: -When bringing up that Discovery could still lynch vote, and that Wyrm needed to be killed, Kipper was particularly vocal about going after Aonar instead. Either he didn't get the threat still posed by Wyrm, or he was out to protect him. -The posts between Wyrm and Kipper in the main thread. Yes, I can see him wanting to defend himself if he really isn't Discovery, but both Kipper's and Wyrm's are trying too hard to deflect and confuse people, and the fact that Wyrm is really trying to make people believe that Kipper is not a Discoverer, just makes me wonder more if he is actually trying to hide the truth, by speaking truth. -Way back in cycle one, when Glory were discussing cooperation between the factions to find Discoverers, Kipper was pretty vocal against the idea. Since this is the best way we have of finding Discovery, and Kipper was deliberately trying to steer us away from such a course of action, that makes him look suspicious. -Admittedly, this could just be Discovery being sneaky, but last cycle, Wyrm took great delight in announcing to people what our plans were. Now, since Kipper left us, not a peep about anything in the Glory doc from Wyrm, suggesting that his source of information has been cut off. Edit: If it turns out I am wrong, and Kipper is actually a Bloodsealer, then that makes Pixie Glory's second Discoverer (or I have been expertly played by someone else in Glory).
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Yeah, I know, unless you have multiple Diplomats, which is a possibility. Edit: I'm off in about 10-15 minutes, and I probably won't get back on to post until tomorrow morning. I'll be able to keep an eye on the forums on my phone, but I find posting from a phone to be a pain, so I probably won't unless I have something important to say. So, see you all in approximately 16 hours.
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Sounds like a plan. We were thinking about hitting Kipper ourselves, but if you want that honour, feel free. We will target one of the others. I'll put both names down, so our striker can choose one of them. That way, even if we are still infiltrated, Discovery won't know which we will attack. If you guys in Heritage want to disregard Hael's request that I be scanned (do or do not, your call), please have Shallan scanned, then next cycle, we'll take Adamir back and start scanning yours. Edit: I'll add this; Seonid, Zas has been cleared to the point where I believe him to be Glory (See Wyrm, no more use of the word 'innocent' ). But, if you are unsure about me, you may want to take that with a pinch of salt. I think I've pretty much proved myself in these threads though, but I can't tell you what to do.
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No, you're the Diplomat... You go into the duel with the Striker, and when you come out, he is following you, being your bodyguard.
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Ooh, ooh, ooh, can I man the catapult to launch the Champions into the pit? http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20070121
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But, where's the fun in simply dropping people into butter? Or tears?
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Atium maybe? We could use the Pits of Hathsin. They already go a long way down, so better chance for a more satisfying splat.
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You have a point. We should ask all four factions to each submit a Champion, then drop them all in a pit, and whichever is left standing, their faction takes the crown. Edit: I meant to say drop them into a pit to fight it out, not just drop them into a large hole in the ground, and hope someone survives, although that could be pretty entertaining too. We could paint targets at the bottom, and whichever Champion is splattered over the most points worth of targets, they win.
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You Know You're a Sanderfan When...
Bort replied to Shardbearer's topic in General Brandon Discussion
When you spend an entire thunderstorm trying to calm the kitten down by telling him 'It's ok. The Stormfather may be nuts, but he;s generally friendly'. I didn't work, and now the kitten has declared war on my toes -
Dueling, in the Rose Empire? Bortholemew the Blind followed the sounds of swords crashing against each other, and arrived just in time to see one of them fall, sword through the face. Bortholemew suspected he no longer ranked among the living, although sometimes it was difficult to tell. The other, the winner, collapsed, just as the people around him started to cheer. Stepping forward, the midget checked the duelist's pulse. He was still alive, and his wounds were survivable. Still, he would have an awful headache when he woke up. Feeling sorry for him, Bortholemew reached into a pocket of his robes and pulled forth a beardnut. He tucked it into the victor's coat pocket, then turned and walked away.
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Wow... I'd make a terrible Radiant 44% Truthwatcher 24% Elsecaller 24% Lightweaver 22% Willshaper 21% Dustbringer 19% Skybreaker Windrunner, Stoneward, Bondmsith, and Edgedancer ae all at 0%. Screw you Roshar. I'm going to go become Mistborn
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Thanks for replying Zephrer. Note, I'm not saying you are definitely Discovery, only that your name was one of the ones I wasn't able to clear. @Paranoid King: I really wasn't being serious about considering Maill's message a betrayal.
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Maill did betray his faction... he was Glory when he sent that message... Covert communication with the enemy... That's betrayal (Well, ok, maybe not. Not really anyways). Edit: Ok, with regards to my previous post... The names I put forward for possible Discoverers in Glory. Two of these names have now been cleared to my satisfaction, leaving only Shallan as a potential Discoverer in Glory. It also means that either Kipper is Discovery, or Pixie is. My money is on the former.
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You are right, advocating hunting down Discovery may be a ploy to gain trust and position myself to stab everyone else in the back once Wyrm gives the signal (or anyone else in Discovery, but Wyrm is the only confirmed member so far), but that is one thing. Going so far as to point out the major reason why even discovered Discoverers are a major threat (complete with bolding to draw people's attention to it), something that I'm sure the Discoverers hoped would quietly slip under the radar (namely, that they are not quite as useless as Wyrm claimed once they are no longer part of another faction, and that it is quite possible for them to control the lynch), is quite something else. Yeah, view the first person with some suspicion (Aanwolf did this masterfully in the last game), but the second? I think that is far too much info on the Discoverers to be dismissed as 'just out to gain trust'. Also, in the spirit of cooperation, I think I have almost worked out who the other faction Discoverers are (about 90% sure). Assuming each faction had two Discovery infiltrators at the start of the game, Moderation's Discoverers are two of the following three people: Haelbarde, Neodymium, or Clanky, And Heritage's Discoverers are two of these five people: Phattemer, Dowanx, Zephrer, Pixie or Alvron.* For the sake of completeness, possible Discoverers in Glory (my current belief is that we are now Discoverer free, but I'm not really willing to blindly trust that): Zas, Paranoid King, or Shallan. Would anyone like to comment on these names? Seonid, and Orlok, I'd especially like to hear from you two please. Edit: *Added Pixie's name to the list. Fairly sure he isn't, but not confirmed.
