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I would like to note that "mostly immune to Pushing and Pulling" is probably very similar in the way that you "mostly" can't Push or Pull on metals in the body. I suspect that it has to do with some spiritual essence getting in the way with the Push. /theorizing

I think the rule of thumb is that everyone is at the height of their power, with exception of atium, I guess. So, the Lord Ruler obviously gets his atium stores (though it's curious he never used atium in his battle against Vin). Susebron would have his full power. Distance from Elantris will be "pretty close to Elantris" to give Raoden a fighting change. Vasher obviously gets Nightblood, unless he intends to put the blade down somewhere else so it doesn't distract him. That'd be up to the write-ups, but if he wants Nightblood, he can use it. Fifth Heightening (~2000 Breaths) seems a bit high for Vasher, however. Third or Fourth Heightening seems more reasonable, even though those also seem a bit more than he would ever have.

Girls' Generation - Genie

I would like to announce I've finished my line edits for my excerpt of Rebirth that I'm reading on Thursday. Now it sucks less. For the Undergraduate Scholars Program, which funds this book, I have to do a presentation of my work. Fortunately, I get to do a reading of my work, rather than make a poster, so yay. If anyone wants to hear the presentation/reading via Skype, I guess I can do that. (Worst part? The program says Rebirth is a "fantasy opus". Jeez. How do you follow that? Also, silly USP. Opuses are longer than one book)

Yeah, it's on Android. I searched "words with friends" and it popped right up.

You kicked my butt with that "unnerves". Crap. Check out my awesome counterattack. Oh wait.

This match has oddly enabled to use lots of cosmere words. Also, jeez, I have a ton of vowels.

I'm now Chaos2651 on here. I caved.

Now, welcome to the Theories section. Or, as I call it, the fun section!

I did include Spook on my original bracket, but got persuaded out of it for this one. I think once Alloy of Law hits we will have plenty of fun Twinborn to mix things up.

Atium - I say that Vin and Marsh, being in MB3, have no atium. Kelsier, on the other hand, might. Maybe that's a technicality. As for Shardplate and Shardblade, I distinctly recalled Brandon said you can't Push on Shardblade because it's an Invested object. I think. Maybe Zas can whip up a quote for me, but I remember it being recent. Other Invested objects include Awakened objects (so, Nightblood). However, my definition of "Invested" should include Feruchemical charges, but you can obviously Push on those. So, I could be under false assumptions.

And Bavadin cried

Yeah, Eero, Vin, Sazed, and Marsh should all be in MB3 mode, before the ending. It'd would be interesting if any of them had to fight the Lord Ruler... I think we can play with timeframes a bit. I mean, we have Kelsier, the Lord Ruler, and Dilaf, who are in fact dead. So, I vote that Dalinar keeps his Blade, Sadeas just has Plate, and Kaladin has the powers he has at the end of WoK. Which also would mean Kaladin is in Dalinar's army at this point. (Having Dalinar keep his Shardblade also gives us something to play with in a future cage match, where he doesn't have one). The setup of this cage match--logically--can only be this: a time traveling Hoid steals all of these characters to fight on his Shadesmar Doomship, to see which one is the strongest to fight Odium. And he slaughters you with humor if you don't fight. I also think that players should have a vague understanding of their opponents' magics, so Vasher can go, "Hey, wearing metal is dumb here".

unicorn of his

Then Odium descended

Lol. It's probably true. Okay, I generated a random bracket using those numbers, and it is so incredible that, if this bracket goes through minimal changes, we simply have to use it. I couldn't have come up with better matches if I tried. In fact, I'm really hoping Sadeas stays in, if only for his first match. Though there are some issues Feather brought up: when, in canon, do these matches happen?

So, it's pretty clear from the other thread that the cage match is Brandon characters only. Let's get to discussing which sixteen characters get in. I have a suggested bracket, but who do you think should go in? Here they are, not grouped by planet, since it's more fun to see everyone fight people from different planets. 1. Vin 2. Jasnah 3. Vasher 4. Raoden 5. Szeth 6. Alcatraz 7. Dalinar 8. Kaladin 9. Kelsier 10. Dilaf 11. The Lord Ruler 12. Sazed 13. TenSoon 14. Susebron 15. Sadeas 16. Marsh My rationales: Mistborn characters: Vin's advantages are obvious, being small, quick, and incredibly skilled. Kelsier has an edge of ruthlessness which will serve him well. Marsh has additional Inquisitor abilities which make him a force to be reckoned with. Sazed is all about planning and the strength of Feruchemy. It would be fascinating to see how he does. And TenSoon, because it shakes things up. The Lord Ruler because I want to see how he will match up against other cosmere characters. Way of Kings characters: Dalinar and Szeth are the easy choices. Jasnah is powerful and highly motivated. Sadeas for his well-timed betrayals, which would totally give him a huge advantage against someone more naive like Susebron. And Kaladin is awesome. Elantris characters: Raoden, naturally. He has similar disadvantages as Sazed, but he deserves to be here. Dilaf for the same sort of class as Sadeas. (Sadeas vs. Dilaf would be amazing) Warbreaker characters: Vasher because we need an Awakener. I want to see how he fares against a Mistborn or something. Susebron because he's surprisingly balanced--strong, but also naive. Alcatraz because we need to remember Brandon writes more than cosmere novels, and because he'll sass you into submission. In predicting some hesitance with the Lord Ruler, I don't think he's as overpowered as he might seem. Sure, if he goes against a Mistborn, he'll probably win, but him going against Szeth is much more interesting. Of these sixteen, the one that I think is most likely to be replaced is Sadeas.

Yeah. I definitely want Kaladin in there. Since the voting is pretty much over, I'm thinking of making a bracket discussion thread. I hope you don't mind, Silus. (Feel free to smack me if you do, haha) I don't know when in canon to do Sadeas or Dalinar. Let's figure it out in the next thread. This.

I agree. There's so much we don't understand.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I think it makes a ton of sense, and I want this to be the case. I'm simply being cautious, since we don't know enough to make a choice. However, I think this is an awesome explanation for why Raoden was chosen. I wonder if we could see similar rationalizations with other Elantrians? No, I think you're on the ball here. I've had a similar idea, and it makes a lot of sense. Though I don't think that's why Shadesmar is dangerous. After all, there's surely some way for the Dahkor to access Shadesmar, and I'm sure they'd be able to find a way back We'll figure something out, haha. Technically, Aona's Shard name has not been confirmed. However, we know it is a synonym of Love or Compassion, but is not those, specifically. We don't have it right yet. Relief was a name that people liked on TWG, but I find it far too vague to be useful. Plus, Relief does not fit well with Seons, and Seons are our biggest clue thus far.

I agree with everyone, so let me take a slightly different take. From a cosmere point of view, it's dangerous to think of Ruin and Preservation as synonyms for anything, in my opinion. Those names are the Shard's Intent. It is what that force wants to do. Ruin is Ruin, nothing more, nothing less. There is a deep cosmological significance to those names. That's why I care so much that we have other Shard names correct. So, I find it more than a little dangerous to be thinking of these Shards as anything other than Ruin and Preservation.

This saddens me.

Sorry about that. Should work now.

^ Totally did not mean to downvote this. I'm upvoting two other posts to even it out. Sonic Adventure 2 was awesome. I loved that game.