Navani Foreshadowing

[+mdross81 he/him]

16 minutes ago, The Technovore said:

Fact 2: Anti-Light gives Team Radiant a way to meaningfully deplete enemy resources.

I agree with both of your main points about the incorrect assertions.

The main concern I have going forward with anti-Lights is the question of whether Team Radiant can find a way to access enough Voidlight that they can turn into anti-Voidlight for it to be a level playing field. Stormlight is doled out freely in every high storm. But I think Voidlight is going to be harder to come by. 

[Frustration]

1 minute ago, mdross81 said:

The main concern I have going forward with anti-Lights is the question of whether Team Radiant can find a way to access enough Voidlight that they can turn into anti-Voidlight for it to be a level playing field. Stormlight is doled out freely in every high storm. But I think Voidlight is going to be harder to come by. 

Tumi hums to the Rhythm of War, so Rlain could, in theory make Voidlight, but Odium does have a new vessel and so could likely deny him access.

[Lanaya]

6 minutes ago, Frustration said:

I'm not saying she didn't run the marathon, but the Trophey belongs to someone else.

Yes that trophy is looking shiny in an unknown's persons collection who is currently adding zero value to the war effort while Navani is continuing to accrue the advantage/information for the radiant side.

[Bejarden he/him]

I’m confused @The Technovore what are you trying to say? 
That Navani is a scientist 

or that she gets credit for Anti-Light

if it’s the second it makes very little sense.

Why should I give credit to someone for creating an already existing substance.

on the first point there is a much better argument. I don’t think anyone would say she isn’t really good at the art of Fabrials.

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Because I'm sure for every Newton and Galileo that got their works published and recognized there was between 1 and 12 monks and scholars who came up with the same ideas but then got killed as heretics or just never published

The difference is that we know who created it first and so did Navani 

Edited April 11, 2021 by Bejardin1250

[Frustration]

6 minutes ago, Lanaya said:

Yes that trophy is looking shiny in an unknown's persons collection who is currently adding zero value to the war effort while Navani is continuing to accrue the advantage/information for the radiant side.

How so?

Radiants already had a way to perma-kill Fused and one that only they had and worked far better for them than the fused in the event that they got it. Anti-light helps Odium far more than it does the Radiants

Edited April 11, 2021 by Frustration

[Lanaya]

Just now, Bejardin1250 said:

Why should I give credit to someone for creating an already existing substance.

He said discovered not created. Either way, you're right of course; why would we give credit to a person that has discovered a way to kill the fused and help the war effort?

[Frustration]

1 minute ago, Lanaya said:

He said discovered not created. Either way, you're right of course; why would we give credit to a person that has discovered a way to kill the fused and help the war effort?

A redundant way.

and something the Fused didn't have.

Edited April 11, 2021 by Frustration

[Lanaya]

Just now, Frustration said:

A redundant way.

I agree. I don't understand why there are different types of guns? We should have just stopped at the first one.

[Bejarden he/him]

3 minutes ago, Lanaya said:

He said discovered not created. Either way, you're right of course; why would we give credit to a person that has discovered a way to kill the fused and help the war effort?

They get 100% percent credit for helping the war effort 

But not for the creation 

6 minutes ago, Frustration said:

How so?

Radiants already had a way to perma-kill Fused and one that only they had and worked far better for them than the fused in the event that they got it. Anti-light helps Odium far more than it does the Radiants

I’m assuming your talking about Nightblood ( sorry if your not)

I’m just going to point out that A-light helps Radiants a lot more than the Fused.

1: It’s extremely difficult to hit a spren with a dagger at the same time your fighting a Radient

2: all Radients have to do is strike the Fused.

And Nightblood is in the hands of one of the most unstable person on Roshar.

[Lanaya]

3 minutes ago, Bejardin1250 said:

They get 100% percent credit for helping the war effort 

But not for the creation 

That we can genuinely agree on. I'm not saying that Navani is Roshar's Nikola Tesla (although she is the best mind that the Radiant side have in terms of advancing their technology). I'm just saying that lets not downplay her contribution towards the cause.

[Frustration]

17 minutes ago, Lanaya said:

I agree. I don't understand why there are different types of guns? We should have just stopped at the first one.

Why make more guns when you already have an auto-aiming one with infinate ammo and range and it's the only one in existance and can't be replicated?

13 minutes ago, Bejardin1250 said:

I’m assuming your talking about Nightblood ( sorry if your not)

I am

14 minutes ago, Bejardin1250 said:

I’m just going to point out that A-light helps Radiants a lot more than the Fused.

How are Radiants going to get the Voidlight?

14 minutes ago, Bejardin1250 said:

1: It’s extremely difficult to hit a spren with a dagger at the same time your fighting a Radient

Blades are really obvious

15 minutes ago, Bejardin1250 said:

2: all Radients have to do is strike the Fused.

Same with Nightblood, only thing is Nightblood can just nick them with the dagger you have to keep it there.

16 minutes ago, Bejardin1250 said:

And Nightblood is in the hands of one of the most unstable person on Roshar.

No, Szeth's insanity is over emphisised, and Ishar is mad enough to make him an exemplar in rational thought by comparision.

[Lanaya]

Just now, Frustration said:

Why make more guns when you already have an auto-aiming one with infinate ammo and range and it's the only one in existance and can't be replicated?

The answer is in your question. Because it can't be replicated. 

[CamilleDesmoulins]

Anti light is just as bad for the Radiants as the Fused, since it gives the Fused a way of destroying spren. Depending on the numbers, it may potentially be worse for the Radiants than the Fused.

[Frustration]

1 minute ago, Lanaya said:

The answer is in your question. Because it can't be replicated. 

You could make lesser guns, that's what anti-light is, worse versions of NIghtblood, Nightblood can't be made again, but is superior to anti-light in every other way.

[Lanaya]

Just now, Frustration said:

You could make lesser guns, that's what anti-light is, worse versions of NIghtblood, Nightblood can't be made again, but is superior to anti-light in every other way.

Yes and there is more than one solider on the Radiant side. Do you not want to equip them with weapons that can kill fused?

[Frustration]

4 minutes ago, Lanaya said:

Yes and there is more than one solider on the Radiant side. Do you not want to equip them with weapons that can kill fused?

I would much rather have the only perma-kill weapon on Roshar and take the safer if more time consuming method of killing them all that way.

Edited April 12, 2021 by Frustration

[Bejarden he/him]

5 minutes ago, Frustration said:

How are Radiants going to get the Voidlight?

23 minutes ago, Bejardin1250 said:

The same way they always have. Steal them off of dead Fused.

One of the scholars has a voidlight sphere and it is how the A light explodes

6 minutes ago, Frustration said:

Blades are really obvious

Are you sure you can hit the blade and it would work. It was my impression that you had to Stab

 

7 minutes ago, Frustration said:

Same with Nightblood, only thing is Nightblood can just nick them with the dagger you have to keep it there.

There is only one nightblood. And he can only do so much damage before he consumes Szeth and by definition Most radiants can’t hold him.

8 minutes ago, Frustration said:

No, Szeth's insanity is over emphisised, and Ishar is mad enough to make him an exemplar in rational thought by comparision.

*eyebrow raise* he is not sane. That much is clear from even WoR.

You don’t want to have to rely on him to save the world

Ishar is bat crazy. He’s a scizaphrenic (I think that’s what he is, thinking your someone else, or is that DID) mad man who thinks he is god. 

[Lanaya]

3 minutes ago, Frustration said:

I would much rather have the only perma-kill weapon on Roshar and take the safer if more time consumin method of killing them all that way.

You are also risking giving the enemy Nightblood. You are assuming best case scenarios too much I think.

[Publius]

On 4/7/2021 at 1:03 PM, Frustration said:

I'm not trying to be overly contradictory but she never became worthy of anything close to Bondsmith powers.

What, precisely, does make someone worthy of Bondsmith powers?

As seen in RoW's Part 1 Epigraphs, Navani attempted to get the various human factions to come together (uniting?) in order to share technological information and assist one another in the development of further technology. As we see later on in RoW, Navani successfully convinced them to share the secret of how to quickly transfer light between Gems. Navani was willing to work with Raboniel (uniting), despite their differences and status as enemies. A human displaying the willingness to discuss, learn from, get to know, and collaborate with a Fused is a rare thing.

Throughout RoW, Navani demonstrates her willingness to reach out to disparate human factions as well as a fused. Textually, she is quite literally serving the role of an emulsifier.

I would be interested in hearing about the ways in which you think Dalinar was worthy, while Navani was apparently unworthy.

Edited April 12, 2021 by Publius

[Frustration]

12 minutes ago, Bejardin1250 said:

The same way they always have. Steal them off of dead Fused.

That is so much more inefficent than how the fused get stormlight, and now they have anti-light so you have to be careful. Even if you killed ten fused for every Spen lost the Radiants would run out of spren before Odium Ran out of fused

12 minutes ago, Bejardin1250 said:

One of the scholars has a voidlight sphere and it is how the A light explodes

They had a small handful of spheres not even close to enough, they need thousands

13 minutes ago, Bejardin1250 said:

Are you sure you can hit the blade and it would work. It was my impression that you had to Stab

No idea.

13 minutes ago, Bejardin1250 said:

There is only one nightblood. And he can only do so much damage before he consumes Szeth and by definition Most radiants can’t hold him.

He only needs to do so much damage, after that he can be re-sheathed go through his comma and the process can start over.

And what do you mean by most Radiants can't hold him?

14 minutes ago, Bejardin1250 said:

*eyebrow raise* he is not sane. That much is clear from even WoR.

You don’t want to have to rely on him to save the world

He will do what Dalinar says, that's enough.

10 minutes ago, Lanaya said:

You are also risking giving the enemy Nightblood. You are assuming best case scenarios too much I think.

If the fused get him it's not that big of a deal.

The Telporting ones can't teleport with him, The Deepest ones can't bring him either

The masked ones become obvious,

The transformation ones aren't used to combat

The heavenly ones are slower than Radiants so they can stay out of the way.

The progression ones run into a shortage of Voidlight

And on top of this Voidlight is much harder to get than stormlight and Fused are not used to carying around a lot of it.

9 minutes ago, Publius said:

What, precisely, does make someone worthy of Bondsmith powers?

As seen in RoW's Part 1 Epigraphs, Navani attempted to get the various human factions to come together (uniting?) in order to share technological information and assist one another in the development of further technology. As we see later on in RoW, Navani successfully convinced them to share the secret of how to quickly transfer light between Gems. Navani was willing to work with Raboniel, despite their differences and status as enemies. A human displaying the willingness to discuss, learn from, get to know, and collaborate with a Fused is a rare thing.

Throughout RoW, Navani demonstrates her willingness to reach out to disparate human factions as well as a fused. Textually, she is quite literally serving the role of an emulsifier.

I would be interested in hearing about the ways in which you think Dalinar was worthy, while Navani was apparently unworthy.

You quoted something from page one of an eleven page discussion, please read the other ten pages and if you still have questions I'll answer them.

[Lanaya]

1 minute ago, Frustration said:

If the fused get him it's not that big of a deal.

The Telporting ones can't teleport with him, The Deepest ones can't bring him either

The masked ones become obvious,

The transformation ones aren't used to combat

The heavenly ones are slower than Radiants so they can stay out of the way.

The progression ones run into a shortage of Voidlight

And on top of this Voidlight is much harder to get than stormlight and Fused are not used to carying around a lot of it.

Oh I never said they would use Nightblood. I just figured they would lock away the infinite ammo, infinite range, auto-aim weapon away and leave the Radiants without an option.

[Frustration]

4 minutes ago, Lanaya said:

Oh I never said they would use Nightblood. I just figured they would lock away the infinite ammo, infinite range, auto-aim weapon away and leave the Radiants without an option.

Leave the fused without one either, and any lock can be picked.

[Lanaya]

Just now, Frustration said:

Leave the fused without one either, and any lock can be picked.

Well I don't think the fused will advertise a hackathon for any Radiant to participate in. You realize you are using the best case scenarios right?

[Bejarden he/him]

@Frustration the idea that Nightblood can single handedly take on the entire army of the Fused is a bit...( ahh I can’t think of a word that’s not gonna come off disrespectful hmmmm how about slightly impossible)

First off Nale can beat Szeth quiet soundly as we see when he attacks Dalinar.

Additionaly the fused can just keep on sending Regals to fight him until he dies.

Also Szeth almost dies in Theylan field and that was a pretty small battle.

Its not that hard as Lananya said to throw it in the ocean in an aluminum foil case. 
 

Szeth can do damage but not that much damage 

[Lanaya]

46 minutes ago, Frustration said:

No, Szeth's insanity is over emphisised, and Ishar is mad enough to make him an exemplar in rational thought by comparision.

I just read this and I have to comment: Are you using possibly the most insane person that we've seen so far in the cosmere to justify someone else's sanity level?