Could chromium kill a Fused? Permanently?

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I was just wondering, what would happen if a Leecher (or Mistborn) burned chromium and touched a Fused? Draining all or even some of the Voidlight in a Fused's gemheart has been shown to be lethal, and draining Investiture is exactly what chromium does. If a Leecher or Mistborn got onto Roshar, I think that this would mean that Fused can now die permanently with a mere touch. Even if that's not the case, the worst-case scenario is that the Fused runs out of usable Voidlight and has to go recharge, which still is a decent result.

[mathiau he/him]

There's a WoB somewhere saying killing Sprens with chromium might be possible but would require an insane about of power, probably one nicrosil compounders could attain and maybe higher depending on what the mistpoint actually is. The answer would be the same but worse for stable CSs

Edited March 22, 2021 by mathiau

[Halyo_Alex he/him]

2 hours ago, mathiau said:

There's a WoB somewhere saying killing Sprens with chromium might be possible but would require an insane about of power, probably one duralumin compounders could attain and maybe higher depending on what the mistpoint actually is. The answer would be the same but worse for stable CSs

Well that's terrifying.

[mathiau he/him]

3 minutes ago, Halyo_Alex said:

Well that's terrifying.

We already know C-Nicrosil+A-steel can push on the calcium in the bones of people, honestly it's not that worse. (and would probably not be instantaneous either, like for metalminds)

[therunner he/him]

4 hours ago, Enter a username said:

I was just wondering, what would happen if a Leecher (or Mistborn) burned chromium and touched a Fused? Draining all or even some of the Voidlight in a Fused's gemheart has been shown to be lethal, and draining Investiture is exactly what chromium does. If a Leecher or Mistborn got onto Roshar, I think that this would mean that Fused can now die permanently with a mere touch. Even if that's not the case, the worst-case scenario is that the Fused runs out of usable Voidlight and has to go recharge, which still is a decent result.

Was it draining the voidlight from gemheart or hitting them with dagger with anti-voidlight? Because I do not remember them being drained of voidlight, I was under the impression that so far the only way to kill Fused permanently was to stab them with anti-voidlight dagger and that is why it was such an important discovery.

20 minutes ago, mathiau said:

We already know C-Nicrosil+A-steel can push on the calcium in the bones of people, honestly it's not that worse. (and would probably not be instantaneous either, like for metalminds)

Wait, what? How do we know that, and how would that work? Would you compound A-steel to get stronger ability than normally?

[mathiau he/him]

Just now, therunner said:

Wait, what? How do we know that, and how would that work? Would you compound A-steel to get stronger ability than normally?

You store your ability to use A-steel then compound nicrosil until you get steelsight, like Wax did in BoM (not compounding, get steelsight)

[Honorless he/him]

22 hours ago, mathiau said:

There's a WoB somewhere saying killing Sprens with chromium might be possible but would require an insane about of power, probably one nicrosil compounders could attain and maybe higher depending on what the mistpoint actually is. The answer would be the same but worse for stable CSs

Ooh, Nicrosil compounders would be terrifying in space age Cosmere!

Now if Harmony started creating Lerasium again... that would be even better

[mathiau he/him]

1 minute ago, Honorless said:

Ooh, Nicrosil compounders would be terrifying in space age Cosmere!

Now if Harmony started creating Lerasium again... that would be even better

About that....

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BlackYeti

Because you've talked about alloying the god metals with other ones-- I was wondering whether you would be able to melt them down as you would with normal metals.

Brandon Sanderson

If you could distill the god metal: you could distill it out of the mist, that's theoretically possible.

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[Honorless he/him]

2 minutes ago, mathiau said:

About that....

Ohohoho, I forgot about that

Nice

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22 hours ago, therunner said:

Was it draining the voidlight from gemheart or hitting them with dagger with anti-voidlight? Because I do not remember them being drained of voidlight, I was under the impression that so far the only way to kill Fused permanently was to stab them with anti-voidlight dagger and that is why it was such an important discovery.

I'm pretty sure that what was happening was that the Anti-voidlight was destroying the Voidlight in the Fused's gemhearts. (And the Anti-voidlight daggers were the first known way to permanently kill a Fused. Nightblood, for example, is fully capable of permanent killing of Fused. Spoilered for size.)

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Questioner

My question is not really a question, it's more of a theory. How Odium keeps the Fused around is more if he has them tied to his essence, so it's like he's essentially fishing them out of the Spiritual Realm and since their minds are left behind in the Cognitive Realm and their minds are *inaudible* damaged, because their spirits are separated and it just pulls them back.

I'm 100% convinced Nightblood did kill the thunderclast, because Nightblood consumes all investiture, that's something I asked you back at Barnes and Noble a couple years ago, during Christmas and you said your soul is investiture. So my thought is, that thunderclast isn't coming back any time soon.

Brandon Sanderson

You are correct on that one.

Questioner

When I saw that, my thought was, "Yep, It's dead." Other people were like, "I don't know, will it come back?" Nope.

Brandon Sanderson

I'll tell you this. They have not run into something like this before, and there will be ramifications of what happened there.

Questioner

That is fun to know.

Brandon Sanderson

If you are used to death having no consequence, and suddenly your friend vanishes forever...

Questioner

Yeah I, know I already thought of that. They're going to fight over Nightblood.

Brandon Sanderson

Mmm.

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[therunner he/him]

1 hour ago, Enter a username said:

I'm pretty sure that what was happening was that the Anti-voidlight was destroying the Voidlight in the Fused's gemhearts. (And the Anti-voidlight daggers were the first known way to permanently kill a Fused. Nightblood, for example, is fully capable of permanent killing of Fused. Spoilered for size.)

Yeah that is what I was thinking as well. Since Fused operate kinda like spren, I am thinking that what the anti-voidlight dagger did was the same thing Moash did to Phendorana, i.e. it destroyed what is in effect their spiritweb.

I think a leecher touching a Fused could drain their extant voidlight (the one they breathed in, or got from Odium directly) but could not get to the investiture comprising the Fused itself without contact with the gemheart, and maybe not even then. Also since Larkin and chromium operate on similar principles I do not think they could kill Fused, as Larkin do not seem to able to do that.

Maybe with direct contact with the gemheart and duralumin they could.

[mathiau he/him]

1 minute ago, therunner said:

Yeah that is what I was thinking as well. Since Fused operate kinda like spren, I am thinking that what the anti-voidlight dagger did was the same thing Moash did to Phendorana, i.e. it destroyed what is in effect their spiritweb.

I think a leecher touching a Fused could drain their extant voidlight (the one they breathed in, or got from Odium directly) but could not get to the investiture comprising the Fused itself without contact with the gemheart, and maybe not even then. Also since Larkin and chromium operate on similar principles I do not think they could kill Fused, as Larkin do not seem to able to do that.

Maybe with direct contact with the gemheart and duralumin they could.

What is duralumin supposed to do here?

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Just now, mathiau said:

What is duralumin supposed to do here?

I guess duralumin-burn the chromium. to explain in a different manner, a Leecher could Leech the Fused gemheart, and a Nicroburst could boost the Leecher. Or a Mistborn could use chromium and duralumin at the same time.

[therunner he/him]

7 minutes ago, mathiau said:

What is duralumin supposed to do here?

2 minutes ago, Bearer of Agonies said:

I guess duralumin-burn the chromium. to explain in a different manner, a Leecher could Leech the Fused gemheart, and a Nicroburst could boost the Leecher. Or a Mistborn could use chromium and duralumin at the same time.

Yeah, that is what I meant. I was thinking that since Leeching is similar to what Larkin can do, and Larkin cannot kill Fused by draining them (as far as we know) a Leecher would need some extra power to do that, that would be provided by either Nicroburst, or by them having A-Duralumin (either through them being mistborn, having spike, or having A-medallion).

 

Edited March 23, 2021 by therunner

[mathiau he/him]

Just now, Bearer of Agonies said:

I guess duralumin-burn the chromium. to explain in a different manner, a Leecher could Leech the Fused gemheart, and a Nicroburst could boost the Leecher. Or a Mistborn could use chromium and duralumin at the same time.

Oh, yes that makes sense

The main issue with that is that, contrary to Regals, Fused don't have Voidlight/their CS just in their gemheart but in their whole body (otherwise Raboniel would have exploded not burned out inside)

Also, about the Voidlight idea, we have seen the Defeated One use all of his Voidlight

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As he stepped back, he left the Pursuer stuck to the glass, immobilized and lacking the Voidlight to eject his soul. Kaladin didn’t attack.

[therunner he/him]

10 hours ago, mathiau said:

The main issue with that is that, contrary to Regals, Fused don't have Voidlight/their CS just in their gemheart but in their whole body (otherwise Raboniel would have exploded not burned out inside)

If I recall correctly the explosion from anti-void/void reaction happened as it did only because it was inside a gem, so it had no way to go elsewhere. In the body voidlight could move to other body parts and so comparatively small amount of voidlight would react with anti-voidlight. (altough I might be misremembering this)

[mathiau he/him]

4 hours ago, therunner said:

If I recall correctly the explosion from anti-void/void reaction happened as it did only because it was inside a gem, so it had no way to go elsewhere. In the body voidlight could move to other body parts and so comparatively small amount of voidlight would react with anti-voidlight. (altough I might be misremembering this)

If Voidlight could move out of the gem into the body then it could move out of the gem into the air

[therunner he/him]

4 minutes ago, mathiau said:

If Voidlight could move out of the gem into the body then it could move out of the gem into the air

Hmm, true good point. There might be something going on with cognitive aspects, like body including gemheart being one thing, whereas gem and air being two things and voidlight wanting to stick to one thing only. But gemhearts are generally treated as somewhat separate from the bodies for the purpose of holding -lights, so I do not think that would be realistic reason.