Will the real voidspren please stand up?

[Clovermite]

I'm not sure if this has spoken about elsewhere on the forums already, but I've been nursing a theory as I've been re-listening to SA as a whole. We know that red represents corrupted investiture. We also know that most of the spren associated with Odium, and labeled "voidspren" by characters in the book are red. Yet we also know that red isn't one of Odium's colors - his colors are white and gold, and his voidlight glows a kind of purple.

The fused all have red eyes, and their powers seem to simply mimic the radiant powers, just in slightly different ways and fueled by voidlight instead of stormlight. Yet Renarin's ability to see the future doesn't really seem to mimic the normal illumination surge.

On my most recent listen to Oathbringer, I noticed it spoke of yellow spren, and Syl also labeled those as voidspren...but yellow, a paler form of gold, is actually one of Odum's colors. Since they aren't red, we know those aren't corrupted. We also know that the unmade got their name because they were corrupted by odium, and turned red.

With all of this together, I started thinking - what if the characters are all mislabeling the red spren? What if they are all simply corrupted spren associated with Honor and Cultivation, and the only real voidspren are the yellow colored ones.

The fused mimic the radiant powers, because they are using Honor's and Cultivation's spren/abilities that have been corrupted to be able to use voidlight. Therefore, we really haven't seen much voidbinding at all, as we havent' seen many actual voidspren bonding with singers OR humans.

I'm currently theorizing that storm spren are corrupted windspren, I'm not sure on any others though.

 

[Honorless he/him]

The Fused don't mimic Radiant powers, their powers don't correspond to Radiant Orders, they don't have Adhesion, they only have one Surge and their expression of that Surge is not the same as their Radiant counterpart's. Surgebinding belongs to the Rosharan system as much as it belongs to the resident Shards.

Stormspren do seem like a counterpart to Windspren. We do see both Stormspren and Corrupted Windspren, they do look similar, iirc but the Stormspren needed to be pulled into the Physical by the Stormform Listeners which caused the Everstorm to appear. Stormspren might've been a relatively recent creation by Odium which did not exist during prior Desolations. Did Windspren exist on Braize?

I don't know about Stormspren but most of the Voidspren probably are Corrupted spren or spren who chose to side with Odium and so received some of his Investiture, changing their inherent nature. Odium is not the type to willingly Splinter off bits of his power.

[Elerosse]

8 hours ago, Clovermite said:

I'm not sure if this has spoken about elsewhere on the forums already, but I've been nursing a theory as I've been re-listening to SA as a whole. We know that red represents corrupted investiture. We also know that most of the spren associated with Odium, and labeled "voidspren" by characters in the book are red. Yet we also know that red isn't one of Odium's colors - his colors are white and gold, and his voidlight glows a kind of purple.

The fused all have red eyes, and their powers seem to simply mimic the radiant powers, just in slightly different ways and fueled by voidlight instead of stormlight. Yet Renarin's ability to see the future doesn't really seem to mimic the normal illumination surge.

On my most recent listen to Oathbringer, I noticed it spoke of yellow spren, and Syl also labeled those as voidspren...but yellow, a paler form of gold, is actually one of Odum's colors. Since they aren't red, we know those aren't corrupted. We also know that the unmade got their name because they were corrupted by odium, and turned red.

With all of this together, I started thinking - what if the characters are all mislabeling the red spren? What if they are all simply corrupted spren associated with Honor and Cultivation, and the only real voidspren are the yellow colored ones.

The fused mimic the radiant powers, because they are using Honor's and Cultivation's spren/abilities that have been corrupted to be able to use voidlight. Therefore, we really haven't seen much voidbinding at all, as we havent' seen many actual voidspren bonding with singers OR humans.

I'm currently theorizing that storm spren are corrupted windspren, I'm not sure on any others though.

 

I've been thinking this the past few books, as well. We know (former) Odium doesn't WANT to invest anywhere, at least not strongly, as he plans on having all of his power at his command. And with red being confirmed as corruption, and with just about everything associated with Odium being red, something doesn't add up. To me, if (former) Odium doesn't want to spend as much of his own power, it seems much more efficient to corrupt existing powers.

[Theoryspren]

I think all the red from the fussed eyes is a result from the fact that they were once of Honor before Odium convinced them to change sides, follow him and turn them into Fused. He may have just corrupted Honor's investiture to make them instead of using his own, as he didn't want to invest in any planet. Perhaps some of honors spren choose to change sides as well allowing Odium to corrupt Honor and Cultivation's investiture and those are the "voidspren". So maybe Ulim is actually a corrupted radiant spren loyal to Odium. 

Edited January 17, 2021 by Theoryspren

[AquaRegia he/him]

Sja-Anat would like you all to stop using the word "corrupted".  When a willing spren approaches her, she ENLIGHTENS them. 

The idea that Ulim "defected" from the Radiant side to Odium would explain Nale's remarkably low opinion of him.

[bmcclure7]

On 1/16/2021 at 3:37 AM, Clovermite said:

I'm not sure if this has spoken about elsewhere on the forums already, but I've been nursing a theory as I've been re-listening to SA as a whole. We know that red represents corrupted investiture. We also know that most of the spren associated with Odium, and labeled "voidspren" by characters in the book are red. Yet we also know that red isn't one of Odium's colors - his colors are white and gold, and his voidlight glows a kind of purple.

The fused all have red eyes, and their powers seem to simply mimic the radiant powers, just in slightly different ways and fueled by voidlight instead of stormlight. Yet Renarin's ability to see the future doesn't really seem to mimic the normal illumination surge.

On my most recent listen to Oathbringer, I noticed it spoke of yellow spren, and Syl also labeled those as voidspren...but yellow, a paler form of gold, is actually one of Odum's colors. Since they aren't red, we know those aren't corrupted. We also know that the unmade got their name because they were corrupted by odium, and turned red.

With all of this together, I started thinking - what if the characters are all mislabeling the red spren? What if they are all simply corrupted spren associated with Honor and Cultivation, and the only real voidspren are the yellow colored ones.

The fused mimic the radiant powers, because they are using Honor's and Cultivation's spren/abilities that have been corrupted to be able to use voidlight. Therefore, we really haven't seen much voidbinding at all, as we havent' seen many actual voidspren bonding with singers OR humans.

I'm currently theorizing that storm spren are corrupted windspren, I'm not sure on any others though.

 

 Not all corrupted Spren are red  We see examples of this in oathbringer. And we can't assume that red always means corruption.

 

 More importantly we know that corrupting true Spren is a new phenomena.  So no void true Spren are corrupted. 

Edited January 27, 2024 by bmcclure7

[alder24]

1 hour ago, bmcclure7 said:

 Not all corrupted Spren are red  We see examples of this in oathbringer. And we can't assume that red always means corruption.

 More importantly we know that corrupting true Spren is a new phenomena.  So no void true Spren are corrupted. 

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