Valigus Posted January 11, 2021 Posted January 11, 2021 Spoiler "you are fools!" Miles yelled at the firing squad. "One day, the men of gold and red, bearers of the final metal, will come to you. And you will be ruled by them." This quote is about the servants of trell who will supposedly conquer Scadrial This seems to connect nicely to odium since those two are by far the most common color associated with odium. Since per wob his investiture should be gold and the fused as well as other creations like the everstorm are red. but the sets “faceless immortals” Spoiler Have “softly glowing red eyes” as well as based on what we see seemingly no regard whatsoever for their own lives. This makes them seem a lot like the fused to me. Additionally we know per Wob that odium has some influence on Scadrial and Brandon gave a pretty noncommittal answer as to who was influenced though kelsier was the one proposed for his hatred of nobles being so strong and irrational. Suit does call it a “faceless immortal” but I would not expect him to know the difference between a mavset-im which is the type of fused this would likely be also known as those ones of masks. While the red eyes could result simply from corrupted investiture it doesn’t make sense to me why that would turn their eyes red as nothing similar happens to normal kandra. On top of this I do not personally see why autonomy if it is trell woudl have any reason to attempt to take over Scadrial and even if it did I do not see why it would not work with others in some capacity to maintain independence. Brandon has also stated there is a connection between odium and trell. I doubt that was a fused but it just seems possible especially since this happens post timeskip in stormlight. 1
Chinkoln he/him Posted January 11, 2021 Posted January 11, 2021 35 minutes ago, Valigus said: Reveal hidden contents "you are fools!" Miles yelled at the firing squad. "One day, the men of gold and red, bearers of the final metal, will come to you. And you will be ruled by them." This quote is about the servants of trell who will supposedly conquer Scadrial This seems to connect nicely to odium since those two are by far the most common color associated with odium. Since per wob his investiture should be gold and the fused as well as other creations like the everstorm are red. but the sets “faceless immortals” Reveal hidden contents Have “softly glowing red eyes” as well as based on what we see seemingly no regard whatsoever for their own lives. This makes them seem a lot like the fused to me. Additionally we know per Wob that odium has some influence on Scadrial and Brandon gave a pretty noncommittal answer as to who was influenced though kelsier was the one proposed for his hatred of nobles being so strong and irrational. Suit does call it a “faceless immortal” but I would not expect him to know the difference between a mavset-im which is the type of fused this would likely be also known as those ones of masks. While the red eyes could result simply from corrupted investiture it doesn’t make sense to me why that would turn their eyes red as nothing similar happens to normal kandra. On top of this I do not personally see why autonomy if it is trell woudl have any reason to attempt to take over Scadrial and even if it did I do not see why it would not work with others in some capacity to maintain independence. Brandon has also stated there is a connection between odium and trell. I doubt that was a fused but it just seems possible especially since this happens post timeskip in stormlight. All of these are rational and logical arguments, but by the nature of their immortality, Fused are unable to leave the Rosharan system. 1
Valigus Posted January 11, 2021 Author Posted January 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Chinkoln said: All of these are rational and logical arguments, but by the nature of their immortality, Fused are unable to leave the Rosharan system. They are currently unable to leave the system, we know that there are ways to allow for example spren to leave the system when they otherwise couldn’t and it seems possible that fused could be enabled to leave as well. 1
Weltall Posted January 11, 2021 Posted January 11, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Valigus said: On top of this I do not personally see why autonomy if it is trell woudl have any reason to attempt to take over Scadrial and even if it did I do not see why it would not work with others in some capacity to maintain independence. Brandon has also stated there is a connection between odium and trell. The things that Bleeder says about freeing Scadrial from Harmony's influence sound a lot more like someone who was influenced by Autonomy rather than Odium and we already know that Bavadin is interfering in many other worlds while Odium has been bound to the Rosharan System, so it's not like she needs a special reason to do to Scadrial what she's already done elsewhere. Meanwhile Odium is known to be very conservative in his expenditure of power and splitting his attention in multiple directions would be a pretty bad idea when he's still got one Shard in the same system who would like to kill him and at least one other Shard (Endowment) is willing to act if it looks like he's going to become a threat to the wider Cosmere again. As for a connection between Odium and Trell, the question was so vague as to be meaningless. Brandon has given answers like that before and then admitted that he was messing with us, as a question using an expression like 'any connection' is broad enough that a yes answer could be as meaningless as 'One's a Shard, the other is an avatar of a Shard, connection!'. It really doesn't tell us anything useful. Edited January 11, 2021 by Weltall 1
Valigus Posted January 11, 2021 Author Posted January 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Weltall said: The things that Bleeder says about freeing Scadrial from Harmony's influence sound a lot more like someone who was influenced by Autonomy rather than Odium and we already know that Bavadin is interfering in many other worlds while Odium has been bound to the Rosharan System, so it's not like she needs a special reason to do to Scadrial what she's already done elsewhere. Meanwhile Odium is known to be very conservative in his expenditure of power and splitting his attention in multiple directions would be a pretty bad idea when he's still got one Shard in the same system who would like to kill him and at least one other Shard (Endowment) is willing to act if it looks like he's going to become a threat to the wider Cosmere again. As for a connection between Odium and Trell, the question was so vague as to be meaningless. Brandon has given answers like that before and then admitted that he was messing with us, as a question using an expression like 'any connection' is broad enough that a yes answer could be as meaningless as 'One's a Shard, the other is an avatar of a Shard, connection!'. It really doesn't tell us anything useful. While I would have agreed with this before recent developments have changed my mind
Kingsdaughter613 she/her Posted January 12, 2021 Posted January 12, 2021 Trell is also a character in White Sand, which takes place on Taldain.
Valigus Posted January 12, 2021 Author Posted January 12, 2021 13 hours ago, Kingsdaughter613 said: Trell is also a character in White Sand, which takes place on Taldain. Good to know
Chinkoln he/him Posted January 12, 2021 Posted January 12, 2021 Quote Windrunner Savant Can you give me any information about Trell? Brandon Sanderson *written in book* Trell has been many things over the eons... Dark Talent release party (Sept. 6, 2016)
stonewalker16 Posted January 12, 2021 Posted January 12, 2021 On 1/11/2021 at 1:25 PM, Chinkoln said: All of these are rational and logical arguments, but by the nature of their immortality, Fused are unable to leave the Rosharan system. I'm pretty sure the Fused are tied to Braize/Roshar because Odium is tied down to the system. If Roshar and Braize were to be destroyed in Book 5 of the Stormlight archive, they would be destroyed, or even if Odium is somehow freed from the system
Halyo_Alex he/him Posted January 12, 2021 Posted January 12, 2021 Well we know at least one spren probably gets off world to Scadrial... Hoid's Cryptic, no? Era 2 comes after SA 5 and we know in OB that he bonded a Cryptic (and i doubt he'd give them up just to be on Scadrial again... but what do I know).
stonewalker16 Posted January 12, 2021 Posted January 12, 2021 16 minutes ago, Halyo_Alex said: Well we know at least one spren probably gets off world to Scadrial... Hoid's Cryptic, no? Era 2 comes after SA 5 and we know in OB that he bonded a Cryptic (and i doubt he'd give them up just to be on Scadrial again... but what do I know). Idk man, that pull for instant noodles is pretty strong 2
Halyo_Alex he/him Posted January 12, 2021 Posted January 12, 2021 Just now, stonewalker16 said: Idk man, that pull for instant noodles is pretty strong Strong enough to bring a spren along, surely? 1
LordFlea Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 On 1/12/2021 at 7:27 AM, Valigus said: They are currently unable to leave the system, we know that there are ways to allow for example spren to leave the system when they otherwise couldn’t and it seems possible that fused could be enabled to leave as well. Not quite, Era two I think is set at the same time as the back 5 of SA. Events could come to pass to allow Fused on Scadrial.
Chaos he/him Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 @Valigus I had to remove several posts because you revealed RoW information that was a pretty big deal. You may only discuss those things in the Rhythm of War boards until the spoiler period of nine months after release ends. Sorry. 1
Kingsdaughter613 she/her Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 16 hours ago, LordFlea said: Not quite, Era two I think is set at the same time as the back 5 of SA. Events could come to pass to allow Fused on Scadrial. I believe Era 2 takes place in the gap between SA 5&6. And Era 3 around 50-70 years after Era 2. But I could be misremembering the latter.
stonewalker16 Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Kingsdaughter613 said: I believe Era 2 takes place in the gap between SA 5&6. And Era 3 around 50-70 years after Era 2. But I could be misremembering the latter. I don't know about the Era 3 thing, but you're right on Era 2. Plus I wouldn't be surprised if someone finds a way to solve it. Heck, I bet it might be as simple as wrapping the spren/herald in aluminum. Edited January 22, 2021 by stonewalker16
Kingsdaughter613 she/her Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, stonewalker16 said: I don't know about the Era 3 thing, but you're right on Era 2. Please remove the RoW spoiler. Chaos just reminded us to be careful.
stonewalker16 Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, Kingsdaughter613 said: Please remove the RoW spoiler. Chaos just reminded us to be careful. Sorry! Thanks for the catch
Kingsdaughter613 she/her Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 38 minutes ago, stonewalker16 said: Sorry! Thanks for the catch You’re welcome.
Weltall Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, stonewalker16 said: Heck, I bet it might be as simple as wrapping the spren/herald in aluminum. While we do have evidence that aluminum could stop Investiture from dissipating, that's not really the issue that Splinters are dealing with. The problem that all of them have is that they're Connected to particular Physical/Cognitive 'regions' based on proximity to the Shard whose Investiture created them. I think that if aluminum actively messed with that, we'd know by now. We've seen MeLaan with an aluminum True Body and she mentions that she can store her memories in a compartment that's all-metal. I don't think that would work if encasing something in aluminum altered Connection, or it would work but with really weird side effects. Also, we've seen Cognitive Shadows moving around freely on other planets and they're not walking around in aluminum jumpsuits, so whatever trick is used to leave their original 'region' seems to be more akin to whatever Vasher does to have a Divine Breath but not manifest any of the effects of it other than his continued breathing privileges. Edited January 22, 2021 by Weltall 1
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