Doneil he/him Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 (edited) I'm sorry if this is in the wrong section but I couldn't find to much about this anywhere else. Brandon confirmed Cultivation as a dragon? I feel like I missed something in RoW can someone explain further please. Obviously it would be the vessel that is the dragons im assuming Edited December 23, 2020 by Doneil 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanLemon Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 Yup, she's a dragon. Hoid says there is a dragon on Roshar when he and Kaladin are having their vision. Later when Mr T sees her later in the book he realizes that the human form she presents isn't her true form heavily implying that she is the dragon. But here is the WoB that confirms it Benjamin Susla Did Hoid confirm that Cultivation is a dragon? Brandon Sanderson I don't know if Hoid did. I can confirm it for you. Cultivation is. If I RAFO'd that one, everyone would be "Oh it's a secret still." It's not. I could RAFO it so people continue to theorize, which I sometimes like. But it's not suppose to be a secret. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger he/him Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 It was hinted pretty strongly in the line "Cultivation's truest form remained hidden but she portrayed herself as human."(I am paraphrasing but it is from Odium's perspective). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoidIsAdonalsium Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, Doneil said: I'm sorry if this is in the wrong section but I couldn't find to much about this anywhere else. Brandon confirmed Cultivation as a dragon? I feel like I missed something in RoW can someone explain further please. Obviously it would be the vessel that is the dragons im assuming The two references hinting at Cultivation being a Dragon, from RoW: Exhibit A: Quote “I know of just one on Roshar,” Wit noted, “and she prefers to hide her true form." (While explaining what are dogs and dragons, to Kaladin in Chapter 80) Exhibit B: Quote A woman stepped up beside him. He recognized her full hair, black and tightly curled, along with her vibrant round face and dark skin. She had another shape as well. Many of them, but one deeper and truer than the others. (Once Taravangian Ascends, in Chapter 114) Edited December 23, 2020 by HoidIsAdonalsium Grammar. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aon Tia she/her Posted December 24, 2020 Report Share Posted December 24, 2020 You know that it means! We might get to see a what a Dragon looks like in SA itself!! Yeyy!!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaladin he/him Posted December 24, 2020 Report Share Posted December 24, 2020 This begs the following question: Was Tanavast a dragon? Because they were romantically involved ... and not to dis too much on Shrek, but yeah. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanLemon Posted December 24, 2020 Report Share Posted December 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Xaladin said: This begs the following question: Was Tanavast a dragon? Because they were romantically involved ... and not to dis too much on Shrek, but yeah. I've had the same question. I like to think he was as it seems appropriate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration he/him Posted December 24, 2020 Report Share Posted December 24, 2020 2 hours ago, Xaladin said: This begs the following question: Was Tanavast a dragon? Because they were romantically involved ... and not to dis too much on Shrek, but yeah. Dragons have a human shape, even without being Shard vessels Still weird though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aon Tia she/her Posted December 24, 2020 Report Share Posted December 24, 2020 Cosmere Spoilers: Spoiler And Endowment? Is she one too? Are C and E besties? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bremen Posted December 25, 2020 Report Share Posted December 25, 2020 (edited) 21 hours ago, Aon Tia said: You know that it means! We might get to see a what a Dragon looks like in SA itself!! Yeyy!!!! We already did, in Hoid's story. Unfortunately the description comes from Kaladin's POV and he isn't good at describing things that aren't disgusting bug creatures. We do know now that Cosmere dragons have 4 legs, GRRM is going to be very dissapointed. No idea if they grow Dragonsteel still (I assume so). 20 hours ago, Xaladin said: This begs the following question: Was Tanavast a dragon? Because they were romantically involved ... and not to dis too much on Shrek, but yeah. Tanavast was a dog, it is known. Edited December 25, 2020 by Bremen 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aon Tia she/her Posted December 25, 2020 Report Share Posted December 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Bremen said: Unfortunately the description comes from Kaladin's POV and he isn't good at describing things that aren't disgusting bug creatures. Exactly! The description was not satisfactory. All I got was big big flying flying. And in a story Wit might later claim artistic license! I want to see see a Cosmere dragon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlion Blight he/him Posted December 26, 2020 Report Share Posted December 26, 2020 On 12/24/2020 at 7:43 PM, Bremen said: We do know now that Cosmere dragons have 4 legs, GRRM is going to be very dissapointed. No idea if they grow Dragonsteel still (I assume so). Good! Dragons SHOULD have four legs! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bremen Posted December 26, 2020 Report Share Posted December 26, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Ooklara said: Good! Dragons SHOULD have four legs! But then they would have six limbs with the wings, and only disgusting bug creatures have 6+ limbs. We can safely say dragons are not disgusting bug creatures due to Kaladin's inability to satisfactorily describe one. Ergo dragons should have 2 leg/2 wing for a normal 4 limbed creature. Brandon is clearly being influenced by Chaos with such heretical ideas as 4 legged dragons. Edited December 26, 2020 by Bremen 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishar Posted December 26, 2020 Report Share Posted December 26, 2020 17 minutes ago, Bremen said: But then they would have six limbs with the wings, and only disgusting bug creatures have 6+ limbs. What about Angels? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlion Blight he/him Posted December 26, 2020 Report Share Posted December 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Bremen said: But then they would have six limbs with the wings, and only disgusting bug creatures have 6+ limbs. We can safely say dragons are not disgusting bug creatures due to Kaladin's inability to satisfactorily describe one. Ergo dragons should have 2 leg/2 wing for a normal 4 limbed creature. Brandon is clearly being influenced by Chaos with such heretical ideas as 4 legged dragons. You're describing a wyvern! And it's not called Wyvernsteel, it's called Dragonsteel! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bremen Posted December 26, 2020 Report Share Posted December 26, 2020 3 hours ago, Ishar said: What about Angels? Angels don't exist in the Cosmere, (I am totaly getting proven wrong when we learn more about Mercy) 2 hours ago, Ooklara said: You're describing a wyvern! And it's not called Wyvernsteel, it's called Dragonsteel! From Wikipedia: Quote Wyverns are very similar to dragons, and in many languages, cultures and contexts no clear distinction is made between the two. Since the sixteenth century, in English, Scottish, and Irish heraldry, the key difference has been that a wyvern has two legs, whereas a dragon has four. However, this distinction is not commonly observed in the heraldry of other European countries, where two-legged dragon-like creatures being called dragons is entirely acceptable. The distinctions of medieval British heraldry do not seem relevant to this conversation. I argue that dragons should have four limbs because their evolutionary ancestor had four. Dragons are commonly held to be reptiles and all reptiles descended from a 4 legged creature. This is why birds only have 2 legs. Their front legs were adapted into wings. Losing limbs is possible (snakes) but there are no examples of any creature descended from that first vertebrate that pulled itself out of the ocean that have 6 limbs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlion Blight he/him Posted December 26, 2020 Report Share Posted December 26, 2020 @Bremen Not surprised dark age Europe got their taxonomy wrong! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rushu42 she/her Posted December 26, 2020 Report Share Posted December 26, 2020 I don't understand what the argument about dragon legs is all about. Isn't it obvious that they have three? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danex he/him Posted December 27, 2020 Report Share Posted December 27, 2020 21 hours ago, Rushu42 said: I don't understand what the argument about dragon legs is all about. Isn't it obvious that they have three? I was under the impression that it was closer to 2.718; the golden ratio is famously known for showing up in the number of legs that fantasy reptiles have. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishar Posted December 28, 2020 Report Share Posted December 28, 2020 (edited) On 12/27/2020 at 11:29 AM, Dannex said: I was under the impression that it was closer to 2.718; the golden ratio is famously known for showing up in the number of legs that fantasy reptiles have. 2.718 is an approximation of e, not the the golden ratio, but yes, the number of dragon legs should be the golden ratio, ([1+ sqrt(5)]/2, or ~1.618) Notably this is also the number of functioning ears dragons should have. They also ought to have π toes per foot, (~3.14) and e (~2.718) is the number of functioning eyes. Edited December 28, 2020 by Ishar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danex he/him Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 8 hours ago, Ishar said: 2.718 is an approximation of e, not the the golden ratio Eh, close enough I swear they’re related somehow though right? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration he/him Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 @Bremen Dragons have four legs and two wings and you are commiting treason against Fantasy if you say otherwise. In all honesty Dragons, not Wyverns are so much more majestic there is more power to them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bremen Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 @Frustration I was heavily influenced by a youtube video I watched long ago of AronRa discussing the taxa of Godzilla (youtube.com/watch?v=cuRHLx92DkM), then an interview with George RR Martin where he is adamant that dragons have two legs for evolutionary reasons. If following GRRM is treason against fantasy than I do resolve to make the most of it! Cosmere dragons are shape shifters though. I wonder if they could take both forms? s that why Bavadin became Autonomy? She took a form with two legs and became socially isolated when all the other dragons refused to be seen with her? Imagine if Rayse were a dragon! When Tanavast ascends and gets replaced by a huge dragon corpse that is going to lead to A LOT of questions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doneil he/him Posted December 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 I love how this turned into a debate about how many limbs dragons should have. My opinion is that cinematically dragons LOOK better with two legs, but I still think that dragons should have 4 legs and a set of wings, all my "research" says they have 4 legs. In the cosmere I think it would make sense for dragons to have 4 legs, I think it makes them look more "regal". Also Cultivation can take any form she wants so if she wants to be a wyvern, she damn well can lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration he/him Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, Doneil said: I love how this turned into a debate about how many limbs dragons should have. I love that to. 2 minutes ago, Doneil said: My opinion is that cinematically dragons LOOK better with two legs, Wyverns, those are wyverns. See, if Dragons have four legs then Wyverns can have 2 and everyone can be happy, but if Dragons have two legs, only those peopel can be happy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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