The Titan God he/him Posted December 22, 2020 Posted December 22, 2020 In mistborn era 1 we learnt how if an allomancer burns a metal to much they become essentially addicted and its effects can kind of... leech, I guess?... in to there normal life. We know what would basically happen if you become a bronze or tin savant. But what about other savants, gold, electrum, cadmium, bendalloy, chromium, aluminum???
AonEne he/him Posted December 22, 2020 Posted December 22, 2020 The same types of things would be happening, I think. Maybe with too much bendalloy you can do awesome time things, but you're permanently a bit set off from everyone else in the time stream. The enhancement metals (duralumin, nicrosil, aluminum, chromium) might not have many harsh effects. Here's what Brandon's told us: Quote Questioner With a cadmium or bendalloy savant, would they be able to impact the amount of time that they can compress or expand? Brandon Sanderson Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Questioner So they could fit-- Theoretically they could make-- fit more time into the same amount of metal. Brandon Sanderson Oh, that's what you're asking. Yeee-- *pauses* So, yes, technically, because... Yes, but mostly what that's going to do is going to influence your strength and how much you can multiply-- Questioner The size of the bubble? Brandon Sanderson The size of the bubble and the amount of time, like when you flare, you are pressing more time into it and a savant is gonna get really good at that. They're gonna get good at changing the bubble and the shape of the bubble, they're gonna get good at some of the other things involving the bubble. It does technically, as you become a savant, does mean you're able to squeeze a little bit more out of your metal, because that's just how it works, but that's not the main effect. Quote Alterodent If a hermit were to take a whole lot of cadmium and go off and live by himself, how far within a lifetime, reasonably, could he get into the future by essentially time-capsuling himself? Assuming they live to be 70 or 75. Brandon Sanderson They could get pretty far. Alterodent What would the savantism do to them? Brandon Sanderson The savantism would probably allow them to get further… It’s completely reasonable… you can treat this like relativistic travel. Quote Douglas What benefit does an aluminum savant get? Yes, I know this would normally never happen because aluminum burns itself up. Suppose a mad scientist with a willing Mistborn test subject shoved a feeding tube down the Mistborn's throat to pump in a continuous stream of aluminum, replenishing it steadily so there's always a new unburned supply. Add another tube to pump out excess water if necessary. What would he discover? Alternatively, what would Sazed with his Shard-granted knowledge know? Brandon Sanderson Ha, that IS a little silly of a method. However, on the extreme end of aluminum, I have in the notes the possibility of cleansing the spirit of unwanted effects of other Investitures. You'd get really good at this, and maybe even be able to cleanse the body of other impurities. Wyndlerunner You've mentioned in the past aluminum savants being able to somewhat heal their spiritweb, healing them of the cracks, sort of healing them of Allomancy. Could a chromium savant do this to other people, kind of like in the Avatar [The Last Airbender] finale where he seals bending? Brandon Sanderson I will say RAFO, but I will say you're theorizing along correct directions. Quote 17th Shard If one were to become an atium savant could they see further into the future than normal? Brandon Sanderson Yes. I'm betting that you'd be able to apply the above to electrum, gold, and malatium as well.
Questioner With a cadmium or bendalloy savant, would they be able to impact the amount of time that they can compress or expand? Brandon Sanderson Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Questioner So they could fit-- Theoretically they could make-- fit more time into the same amount of metal. Brandon Sanderson Oh, that's what you're asking. Yeee-- *pauses* So, yes, technically, because... Yes, but mostly what that's going to do is going to influence your strength and how much you can multiply-- Questioner The size of the bubble? Brandon Sanderson The size of the bubble and the amount of time, like when you flare, you are pressing more time into it and a savant is gonna get really good at that. They're gonna get good at changing the bubble and the shape of the bubble, they're gonna get good at some of the other things involving the bubble. It does technically, as you become a savant, does mean you're able to squeeze a little bit more out of your metal, because that's just how it works, but that's not the main effect.
Alterodent If a hermit were to take a whole lot of cadmium and go off and live by himself, how far within a lifetime, reasonably, could he get into the future by essentially time-capsuling himself? Assuming they live to be 70 or 75. Brandon Sanderson They could get pretty far. Alterodent What would the savantism do to them? Brandon Sanderson The savantism would probably allow them to get further… It’s completely reasonable… you can treat this like relativistic travel.
Douglas What benefit does an aluminum savant get? Yes, I know this would normally never happen because aluminum burns itself up. Suppose a mad scientist with a willing Mistborn test subject shoved a feeding tube down the Mistborn's throat to pump in a continuous stream of aluminum, replenishing it steadily so there's always a new unburned supply. Add another tube to pump out excess water if necessary. What would he discover? Alternatively, what would Sazed with his Shard-granted knowledge know? Brandon Sanderson Ha, that IS a little silly of a method. However, on the extreme end of aluminum, I have in the notes the possibility of cleansing the spirit of unwanted effects of other Investitures. You'd get really good at this, and maybe even be able to cleanse the body of other impurities. Wyndlerunner You've mentioned in the past aluminum savants being able to somewhat heal their spiritweb, healing them of the cracks, sort of healing them of Allomancy. Could a chromium savant do this to other people, kind of like in the Avatar [The Last Airbender] finale where he seals bending? Brandon Sanderson I will say RAFO, but I will say you're theorizing along correct directions.
Douglas What benefit does an aluminum savant get? Yes, I know this would normally never happen because aluminum burns itself up. Suppose a mad scientist with a willing Mistborn test subject shoved a feeding tube down the Mistborn's throat to pump in a continuous stream of aluminum, replenishing it steadily so there's always a new unburned supply. Add another tube to pump out excess water if necessary. What would he discover? Alternatively, what would Sazed with his Shard-granted knowledge know? Brandon Sanderson Ha, that IS a little silly of a method. However, on the extreme end of aluminum, I have in the notes the possibility of cleansing the spirit of unwanted effects of other Investitures. You'd get really good at this, and maybe even be able to cleanse the body of other impurities.
17th Shard If one were to become an atium savant could they see further into the future than normal? Brandon Sanderson Yes.
Koloss17 She/They Posted December 23, 2020 Posted December 23, 2020 Don’t forget about era 2’s twinbornness allowing feruchemantic savants as well! Still don’t know how those would work... 1
EmulatonStromenkiin he/him Posted February 1, 2022 Posted February 1, 2022 compounding just essentially gives you another Allomantic metal with specific effects, and is actually easier to become savant in than several other metals.
Adonlasium Posted May 18, 2022 Posted May 18, 2022 Maybe a feruchemical savant makes you get more investiture from your metalminds? or perhaps let's you store more things like a nicrosilmind could store a cognitive shadow or possibly their own spiritweb? Spoiler like kelsier
mathiau he/him Posted May 19, 2022 Posted May 19, 2022 13 hours ago, Adonlasium said: Maybe a feruchemical savant makes you get more investiture from your metalminds? or perhaps let's you store more things like a nicrosilmind could store a cognitive shadow or possibly their own spiritweb? Reveal hidden contents like kelsier Feruchemical savantism is only a thing for compounders so it probably make you compound more strongly
Treamayne Posted May 19, 2022 Posted May 19, 2022 3 hours ago, mathiau said: Feruchemical savantism is only a thing for compounders so it probably make you compound more strongly Not quite. . . Coppermind - WoB Quote Since Feruchemy doesn't draw from an external power, it is very difficult to become a savant. Very difficult is not impossible. Wax could be a Skimmer Savant with how much (and how dextrously) he manipulates his weight.
+robardin he/him Posted May 19, 2022 Posted May 19, 2022 9 hours ago, Treamayne said: Not quite. . . Coppermind - WoB Very difficult is not impossible. Wax could be a Skimmer Savant with how much (and how dextrously) he manipulates his weight. Savantism isn’t just from “using the power” a lot, it’s from being saturated with Investiture for prolonged periods of time, which “stretches” the soul at a Spiritual level. Since Feruchemy is end-neutral, that means the Investiture is as well, which shouldn’t “stretch” anything unless you frequently do very large tap-dumps of Investiture, which can’t be sustained very often because you have to spend a lot of time putting that Investiture in there in the first place. So basically to become a Feruchemical savant, some kind of Compounding will be required. Like, Miles Hundredlives was almost certainly an F-gold savant who constantly tapped gold. Or maybe with medallion technology, a very easy and large scale supply of unsealed or unkeyed goldminds (like what Wayne got a hold of from Kelesina, but like a daily refill of that).
Treamayne Posted May 20, 2022 Posted May 20, 2022 1 hour ago, robardin said: Savantism isn’t just from “using the power” a lot, it’s from being saturated with Investiture for prolonged periods of time, which “stretches” the soul at a Spiritual level. Since Feruchemy is end-neutral, that means the Investiture is as well, which shouldn’t “stretch” anything unless you frequently do very large tap-dumps of Investiture, which can’t be sustained very often because you have to spend a lot of time putting that Investiture in there in the first place. Concur. Quote So basically to become a Feruchemical savant, some kind of Compounding will be required. Like, Miles Hundredlives was almost certainly an F-gold savant who constantly tapped gold. Or maybe with medallion technology, a very easy and large scale supply of unsealed or unkeyed goldminds (like what Wayne got a hold of from Kelesina, but like a daily refill of that). Disagree. I don't want to derail the thread discussing Wax. My only real point was that F-Savantism without compounding is nearly, but not quite, impossible. Spoiler Clarification on my Wax comment: Note - I didn't say Wax was a savant, nor did I imply that just using his power would have made him one. I merely said that based on how well we have seen him use it, he could be one (implied "I would not be surprised if Brandon said he was a F-Savant as well as an A-Savant"). To me: Spook became a Tin Savant in less than a year (Allomancy Savantism is "easier") Sazed emptied an Ironmind that took years to fill, just by keeping the Luthadel gates closed for a few minutes (indicating how much extra is used when you multi-tap Iron, and how fast it is consumed). Wax has been storing 25%+ of his weight nearly every waking hour for over a decade (at least) Nearly every time we see Wax tap Iron to help his pushes, it's at least a double or a triple He is probably not a savant, but this is what I would expect a Skimmer savant to look like. . .
Raphaborn Posted May 20, 2022 Posted May 20, 2022 As I recall the point wasn't just about the amount of attribute, but that you're tapping your own power. Brandon says that if you use someone else's power or fuel Feruchemy in another way it's possible. So, unkeyed metalminds and/or Compouding. Maybe learn to use Mist too.
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