Dasak's presentation and Ishar's army or Tukar's army

[Dasak]

Hi, I'm Dasak, 

I'm a non-native english speaker (I'm from Spain) new user, so I'm not sure if I can theorize this here or there is another place to do it (but I think this is the correct place).

Firstly, I've been reading cosmere books from 2011 when I started reading 'The way of Kings', and it seduced me as a single book almost as 'The name of wind' did it before. So I was impressed when I discovered that he created not only a saga of novels, but also a group of sagas and short novels taking place in the same fantasy universe (in this case, the galaxy known as Cosmere). 

Now, there comes the spoiler of the 4th book, so those ones who haven't read it already, don't read the spoiler:

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I want to tell an idea I have of what book 5 can show us. I couldn't see all the reactions, so I don't know if it was commented on the video.

Could Ishar's army be targeting Lasting Integrity after it's escape from Dalinar's encounter?

I mean, there is evidence that the most indicated type of spren for the objective he's pursuing (the fusion of human body and spren form of manifestation in shadesmar as far as I could understand) is the honorspren, as it was constated in the book windrunners found at Tukar's camp. In that case, would Ishi kill kelek, who will confront Ishi trying to be the same man he was in the past? Will Shallan and Adolin help the sprens to exit their fortress in other to save them?

And the main question, what is Ishi trying to do whit this? Removing or reducing magic limitations from humans? Searching a way to make rosharians races immortal?

In my opinion, this experiment is gonna revolutionate the rosharian tecnology, in the way Navani's discovers did or more than that. I'm not a supporter to do this (you know, journey before destination), and I think it may be used by cosmere secret organizations or ishar's and odium armies rather than our protagonists forces (because of the nature of the experiment and way it has been made). Nevertheless, i think it will bring a change to the entire rosharian society and the way how we understand roshar will be different, despite we like it or not.

 

I have a few more theories and meditations, but I will keep them in my mind until admins or other users answer me, telling if I can or cannot write them here.

I think I did lots of grammatical mistakes, so I apologise for it.

Best regards,

Dídac

[Chaos he/him]

Hi there, welcome!

Introduce Yourself is not a Q&A board nor is RoW spoilers allowed there, so I have moved this topic to RoW General Thoughts so that people can discuss the questions you pose.

[Scout_Fox he/him]

Welcome to the Shard Dasak! So awesome to have you join us from Spain! Absolutely no worries about the English we are here for everyone no matter what 

That is so cool WoK got you hooked when you first read! I can totally agree with that feeling, reading it is absolutely magical. And totally, realizing that not only are all of these books so amazing by themselves but that they are all connected is just like WOH  It is truly an awesome series so glad you found it and us!

Our intro section we try to keep just for intro thoughts so people don't get any crazy spoilers. Excellent use of the spoiler box though that is precisely what you would want to do if you are unsure! Chaos moved this one on over to the Rhythm of War section so that you don't have to worry about spoilers and so more people can look at your amazing theory!

Feel free to post any more cool theories in this Rhythm of War thoughts area so people can hear all about them! Generally, just look for the forum with the topic you want to discuss and post there. And absolutely no worries about the English, you did wonderfully! Hope you enjoy the Shard!

[Honorless he/him]

Welcome to the Shard! Don't worry about your English.

With how mad Ishar is, I doubt he was researching a way to improve humanity's condition with his experiments. He was described as a mad scientist type of guy, even before he went mad, even before he became a Herald.

He found a way to make Cognitive entities Physical when they're not supposed to be. He well and truly has no limits on playing with Connection, he can effectively mess with Identity as well as Connection, as spren are not Physical beings and should not have Physical bodies. He can siphon Investiture, steal any Connections... Just ugh.

Well, while it could be random experiments by a crazy, unethical scientist, if he does have a goal in mind for these, I can't see what they might be.

He doesn't seem to be looking for a way to kill spren, from his logs.

Edited November 30, 2020 by Honorless

[Alatar he/him]

Hola Dasak, somos unos cuantos

 

On the Ishar topic, it's really baffling, what's he trying to achieve? That is, it's obvious he wants to give spren Physical bodies but, what does he think that this will accomplish? Maybe he thinks that'll be good for them? Well, he's crazy, so, maybe something warped. Maybe really "there's always another secret".

 

By the way, Stormlight Archive (SA) is very heavy on the cosmere, if you enjoyed it, you should really read the rest. By now, we've seen content from Elantris, Warbreaker and White Sands directly, and hints / easter eggs for all the other planets / series and some unpublished or reworked ones. Well, we've had several letters in the epigraphs with offworld characters, but I don't think those affect much the books, they're more hints on Hoid and his plan, so cosmere.

[Use the Falchion]

Welcome to the Shard Dasak!

[Kingsdaughter613 she/her]

1 hour ago, Alatar said:

Hola Dasak, somos unos cuantos

 

On the Ishar topic, it's really baffling, what's he trying to achieve? That is, it's obvious he wants to give spren Physical bodies but, what does he think that this will accomplish? Maybe he thinks that'll be good for them? Well, he's crazy, so, maybe something warped. Maybe really "there's always another secret".

 

By the way, Stormlight Archive (SA) is very heavy on the cosmere, if you enjoyed it, you should really read the rest. By now, we've seen content from Elantris, Warbreaker and White Sands directly, and hints / easter eggs for all the other planets / series and some unpublished or reworked ones. Well, we've had several letters in the epigraphs with offworld characters, but I don't think those affect much the books, they're more hints on Hoid and his plan, so cosmere.

Mistborn is directly related to one character’s entire plot actually. If you haven’t read Mistborn yet stay away from the discussions here until you do. There’s a pretty big spoiler in RoW.

[Alatar he/him]

7 hours ago, Kingsdaughter613 said:

Mistborn is directly related to one character’s entire plot actually. If you haven’t read Mistborn yet stay away from the discussions here until you do. There’s a pretty big spoiler in RoW.

Well, I didn't consider it because it's really faint, if you haven't read Mistborn + Secret History you probably won't know who they're talking about. Same with the dragon character, I've read everything plus a lot of WoB and speculative threads and I don't see the hint all that clear. So, in that respect, it can have spoilers from everything in the cosmere, we've got the Eyree mechanism here even!

Anyway, I still recommend people to read everything else cosmere, including short stories (we even have mention of that "SHADOWS FOR SILENCE spoiler"

Spoiler

chain from Threnody which is able to anchor you through Cognitive anomalies

) to fully enjoy the SA.

[Kingsdaughter613 she/her]

13 minutes ago, Alatar said:

Well, I didn't consider it because it's really faint, if you haven't read Mistborn + Secret History you probably won't know who they're talking about. Same with the dragon character, I've read everything plus a lot of WoB and speculative threads and I don't see the hint all that clear. So, in that respect, it can have spoilers from everything in the cosmere, we've got the Eyree mechanism here even!

Anyway, I still recommend people to read everything else cosmere, including short stories (we even have mention of that "SHADOWS FOR SILENCE spoiler"

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chain from Threnody which is able to anchor you through Cognitive anomalies

) to fully enjoy the SA.

If you read Mistborn immediately after, or read Mistborn just before, it really jumps out. Especially since you have no reason to 

Spoiler

expect a certain character not to survive the book if you haven’t read TFE.

And if you just read MB, then it’ll jump out enough that you’ll go check... which spoils the rest.

[Dasak]

9 hours ago, Kingsdaughter613 said:

Mistborn is directly related to one character’s entire plot actually. If you haven’t read Mistborn yet stay away from the discussions here until you do. There’s a pretty big spoiler in RoW.

Thanks for the advice, but I'm updated with all the Cosmere stories, excpet for the Rysn short story of Dawnshard.

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Thanks for the advice, I suppose you mean kelsier being Thaidakar, the leader of the ghostbloods (If it's not the spoiler you were talking of, tell me which is it please, I may not get it). Don't worry about making me spoilers, I've read every single story of Cosmere except for Dawnshard. I could be a new user here,  but I've been reading Sanderson novels for a long time

 

[Kingsdaughter613 she/her]

2 minutes ago, Dasak said:

Thanks for the advice, but I'm updated with all the Cosmere stories, excpet for the Rysn short story of Dawnshard.

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Thanks for the advice, I suppose you mean kelsier being Thaidakar, the leader of the ghostbloods (If it's not the spoiler you were talking of, tell me which is it please, I may not get it). Don't worry about making me spoilers, I've read every single story of Cosmere except for Dawnshard. I could be a new user here,  but I've been reading Sanderson novels for a long time

 

Yes, that one. Odds are most new readers won’t catch it unless they happen to read MB right before or right after RoW, but being on these forums is a great way to get spoiled!

[Dasak]

17 hours ago, Honorless said:

Welcome to the Shard! Don't worry about your English.

With how mad Ishar is, I doubt he was researching a way to improve humanity's condition with his experiments. He was described as a mad scientist type of guy, even before he went mad, even before he became a Herald.

He found a way to make Cognitive entities Physical when they're not supposed to be. He well and truly has no limits on playing with Connection, he can effectively mess with Identity as well as Connection, as spren are not Physical beings and should not have Physical bodies. He can siphon Investiture, steal any Connections... Just ugh.

Well, while it could be random experiments by a crazy, unethical scientist, if he does have a goal in mind for these, I can't see what they might be.

He doesn't seem to be looking for a way to kill spren, from his logs.

Well, I understant your point, but it makes me thinks I've not expessed myself clear. I was not thinking on Ishar's trying to improve the physical state or magic powers of the entire human race, it would be Ishar's trying to give himself and his troops or people on his side (not only in his actual war against dalinar and odium, but also he can be thinking about the future great war that will take place on Cosmere) more power in order to obtain a militar tactic advantage. Nevertheless, as you said, it can be a purpose that only a crazy scientist could imagine.

Never mind, I wanted to make the focus on the possibility of Ishar's attack on Lasting Integrity in order to capture more honorspren. Everything I've said is just speculation, but the part of the attack on Lasting Integrity just seems to be the logical next Ishar's step for me (another posibility could be capturing windrunners and his sprens, but due to the nature of their powers and the fact that they are part of dalinar's army, I think they are more difiult to get).

[Alatar he/him]

1 hour ago, Dasak said:

Never mind, I wanted to make the focus on the possibility of Ishar's attack on Lasting Integrity in order to capture more honorspren. Everything I've said is just speculation, but the part of the attack on Lasting Integrity just seems to be the logical next Ishar's step for me (another posibility could be capturing windrunners and his sprens, but due to the nature of their powers and the fact that they are part of dalinar's army, I think they are more difiult to get).

Maybe he doesn't even need to attack it, and he's been in contact with some of the important sprens to get them bodies because they want to live in the Physical Realm, we've seen those in charge have a very twisted sense of Honor and I wouldn't put them above a plot like that.

[Infinity Sliver]

On 12/1/2020 at 4:50 AM, Alatar said:

"SHADOWS FOR SILENCE spoiler"

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chain from Threnody which is able to anchor you through Cognitive anomalies

) to fully enjoy the SA.

Where was this confirmed or talked about? I completely missed it

[Alatar he/him]

On 4/12/2020 at 8:52 PM, Infinitysliver said:

Where was this confirmed or talked about? I completely missed it

In the epigraphs quoting the RoW book, presumably Raboniel says that she also has a chain which anchors you through Cognitive Anomalies. I'm on the phone so I can't quote the exact wording but she says something about the place of origin that seems Threnody. WoB from the release party may even exist? I'm not sure, sorry, I don't think I'll have time these days to dig that out but I remember being sure when I wrote that.

[Rainier]

I thought the chain was what we saw in OB at the shop. I assumed the fused simply pillaged that shop and took the chain, which Raboniel then inventoried and studied.

[Kingsdaughter613 she/her]

On 12/15/2020 at 5:00 PM, Rainier said:

I thought the chain was what we saw in OB at the shop. I assumed the fused simply pillaged that shop and took the chain, which Raboniel then inventoried and studied.

I think the GBs were the ones that gave it to her.