+Child of Hodor Posted August 10, 2021 Posted August 10, 2021 My guess is for the end of book 5 / beginning of book 6 world state is Dalinar finds a way to apply the Oathpact to Odium directly. Odium gets out of the bonds that Honor and Cultivation put on him and currently hold him on Braize, but Dalinar subjects him to the Oathpact that holds / held the Fused ... and gets rid of the Everstorm somehow. The Oathpact is between Honor and the Heralds, yet it holds the Fused in despite them not agreeing to it. So the Oathpact can bind entities that are not a party to it. In RoW, Ishar mentioned to Dalinar he could modify the Oathpact. What if Dalinar becomes a Herald and then becomes the Vessel for Honor, he's both Herald and Honor's vessel he can agree with himself to bind Odium using the existing Oathpact. My thinking is a mere herald can't lock up a Shard, only fellow cognitive shadows and spren, but a Shard / Herald could. Dalinar / Honor would have to go to Braize for this to work (and eliminate the Everstorm). Whatever surviving Heralds are left will stay on Roshar. As Taln demonstrated it only takes 1 Herald for the Oathpact to work. That's my prediction for the stalemate for the back 5. Dalinar and Taravangian stuck with each other on Braize. 2
Zoey she/her Posted September 23, 2021 Posted September 23, 2021 On 7/10/2021 at 10:14 PM, Jondesu said: Mistborn Era 3 may be written during that time period, but it’s set later I believe, and wouldn’t necessarily involve the Ghostbloods plot at all. Mistborn Era 2 is the one set between SA 5&6. Yes, Chronologically: Warbreaker Stormlight Era 1 Mistborn Era 2 Stormlight Era 2 Mistborn Era 3 Mistborn Era 4
Letryx13 Posted September 23, 2021 Posted September 23, 2021 I'm not sure how book 5 will end, but for the second half of the series, I'd like to see them start again on a smaller scale. Maybe have to deal with political issues between nations, or rivalries among radiant orders. Much of WoR was a political conflict dealing with Sadeus, and it was still an awesome part of the series.
Benkinsky they/them Posted September 23, 2021 Posted September 23, 2021 On 29.7.2021 at 1:21 PM, Child of Hodor said: TLDR, I'm expecting a lot of Bridge four and KR interludes that include a lot of dying, and Kaladin's PTSD clinic is going to be very, very busy. god yes please. I want something dark. To rant a little bit: in the 3-5 Books that he's been present, Odium to me has not once felt as terrifying as Ruin did, and Ruin had 1 Book at the end of which he was bested. Seriously. the Finale of Hero of Ages, hell, the whole book felt so hopeless. The Fused and Knights Radiant feel like a fair matchup. The Knights Radiant have only just reformed, and are already ready to beat the enemy of old with the addition of the Everstorm. Compare that to how the Koloss and Inquisitors were matched up against literally the rest of known civilization. The Unmade would be an amazing way to change that. Nergaoul at Thaylen City was scary, and there's 8 others. Armies of undying Midnight Essence? yes please! On 8.8.2021 at 6:38 PM, RedBlue said: I really doubt we’re going to see much of Thaidakar in Stormlight 5. He might be namedropped, and confirmed to be a Cognitive Shadow from a different planet, but other than that? I can’t see it happening. Hard agree. I hope I don't come off as too uppity, but I'm really stumped that people expect Thaidakar Action in SA5, even more stumped as that it's Shallan vs Thaidakar. Warning: Rant. 1. on a storytelling level, I agree wholeheartedly that a) Thaidakars Story, if anywhere, belongs to Mistborn and b ) SA5 is going to be wrapping up so much and setting up big cliffhangers and timeskips, the Ghostbloods don't really fit well into that, there's already so much. Plus, they're being set up so slowly, it would be really weird if that setup comes to fruition now. 2. I think the RoW Ghostblood Storyline is part of a setup maybe, but not for Book 5. If anything, that was the sendoff, and we will see very little of them in Book 5. Shallans Duties first and foremost should be on Roshar - Radiant is still there after all - and the Ghostbloods and Veil were interwoven for her story. IF she goes worldhopping, she'll do it after Radiant's duty is done, I think. She's literally named Radiant, and like the Ghostbloods became Veil's context, the Desolations and Knights Radiants are Radiant's. I suspect that we will get to see the Ghostbloods do some stuff behind the scenes, maybe another Sja-Anat interlude, maybe one from Mraize or another yet unnamed Ghostblood. On 3.8.2021 at 3:00 AM, GroundPetrel said: be killed by Kelsier/Thaidakar (who I believe will be able to reach Roshar as a result of something Shallan does early in the book, resulting in her trying to stop him towards the end), who will attempt to steal the Shard Again, I don't mean to sound arrogant, this is just my example for right now. This feels like Era 4, or atleast Cosmere-aware-era, stuff for me. There's so many players on Roshar, and Kel doesn't even know how to get to Roshar. Maybe I'm biased because I Have my own theories for what Kelsier wants to do, but a) Honor really isn't a shard for Kel and b ) 3. Shallan is nowhere near Kel's level. I don't mean this in a 1 v 1 fight sense (though she isn't there either), but like, I couldn't take a storyline of "she's going to take on Thaidakar" seriously if it started now. The only way I could would be if it ends with her realizing how far out of her depth she is. because she is. I like Shallan a lot. I seriously do, she's a very interesting character, and I like the train of thought that Thaidakar heard of her and approved because she reminded him of Vin. But that implies that Thaidakar has heard of her, which I genuinely don't know if he would. Maybe I'm biased because I assume Kel is sticking around for something very big in the future, but I think that "big thing" won't be Shallan. Plus, again, Shallan is nowhere near Kel's level. Shallan's direct contact is Mraize, who has Iyatil as a Babsk, and there might be more steps between her and the actual leader, Thaidakar/Kelsier. It would be impressive if Shallan managed to outplay her local chapter of the Ghostbloods, and getting some answers out of Mraize would be very satisfying, but I feel like we shouldn't equate Mraize and Kelsier too much, though they feel somewhat similar and one is a subordinate of the other. If Shallan ever takes on Thaidakar, she'll need some more mentorship from Hoid or a Timeskip for her + companions to become more knowledgable and trained, and she needs to have dealt with her current issues first. On 5.8.2021 at 6:33 PM, GroundPetrel said: I think that Shallan vs the Ghostbloods, or at least Shallan vs Thaidakar, is going to be mostly saved for the back half, as a war against an inter-planetary mafia will require quite a bit of Cosmere awareness, and would probably require more than what Brandon has indicated is going to happen. exactly this. Would love that to be part of the back half, but it would feel really off for Book 5. Rant over, thank you for the opportunity to get that out. 2
Letryx13 Posted September 23, 2021 Posted September 23, 2021 53 minutes ago, Benkinsky said: god yes please. I want something dark. To rant a little bit: in the 3-5 Books that he's been present, Odium to me has not once felt as terrifying as Ruin did, and Ruin had 1 Book at the end of which he was bested. Seriously. the Finale of Hero of Ages, hell, the whole book felt so hopeless. The Fused and Knights Radiant feel like a fair matchup. The Knights Radiant have only just reformed, and are already ready to beat the enemy of old with the addition of the Everstorm. Compare that to how the Koloss and Inquisitors were matched up against literally the rest of known civilization. The Unmade would be an amazing way to change that. Nergaoul at Thaylen City was scary, and there's 8 others. Armies of undying Midnight Essence? yes please! Hard agree. I hope I don't come off as too uppity, but I'm really stumped that people expect Thaidakar Action in SA5, even more stumped as that it's Shallan vs Thaidakar. Warning: Rant. 1. on a storytelling level, I agree wholeheartedly that a) Thaidakars Story, if anywhere, belongs to Mistborn and b ) SA5 is going to be wrapping up so much and setting up big cliffhangers and timeskips, the Ghostbloods don't really fit well into that, there's already so much. Plus, they're being set up so slowly, it would be really weird if that setup comes to fruition now. 2. I think the RoW Ghostblood Storyline is part of a setup maybe, but not for Book 5. If anything, that was the sendoff, and we will see very little of them in Book 5. Shallans Duties first and foremost should be on Roshar - Radiant is still there after all - and the Ghostbloods and Veil were interwoven for her story. IF she goes worldhopping, she'll do it after Radiant's duty is done, I think. She's literally named Radiant, and like the Ghostbloods became Veil's context, the Desolations and Knights Radiants are Radiant's. I suspect that we will get to see the Ghostbloods do some stuff behind the scenes, maybe another Sja-Anat interlude, maybe one from Mraize or another yet unnamed Ghostblood. Again, I don't mean to sound arrogant, this is just my example for right now. This feels like Era 4, or atleast Cosmere-aware-era, stuff for me. There's so many players on Roshar, and Kel doesn't even know how to get to Roshar. Maybe I'm biased because I Have my own theories for what Kelsier wants to do, but a) Honor really isn't a shard for Kel and b ) 3. Shallan is nowhere near Kel's level. I don't mean this in a 1 v 1 fight sense (though she isn't there either), but like, I couldn't take a storyline of "she's going to take on Thaidakar" seriously if it started now. The only way I could would be if it ends with her realizing how far out of her depth she is. because she is. I like Shallan a lot. I seriously do, she's a very interesting character, and I like the train of thought that Thaidakar heard of her and approved because she reminded him of Vin. But that implies that Thaidakar has heard of her, which I genuinely don't know if he would. Maybe I'm biased because I assume Kel is sticking around for something very big in the future, but I think that "big thing" won't be Shallan. Plus, again, Shallan is nowhere near Kel's level. Shallan's direct contact is Mraize, who has Iyatil as a Babsk, and there might be more steps between her and the actual leader, Thaidakar/Kelsier. It would be impressive if Shallan managed to outplay her local chapter of the Ghostbloods, and getting some answers out of Mraize would be very satisfying, but I feel like we shouldn't equate Mraize and Kelsier too much, though they feel somewhat similar and one is a subordinate of the other. If Shallan ever takes on Thaidakar, she'll need some more mentorship from Hoid or a Timeskip for her + companions to become more knowledgable and trained, and she needs to have dealt with her current issues first. exactly this. Would love that to be part of the back half, but it would feel really off for Book 5. Rant over, thank you for the opportunity to get that out. I agree with what you said about Ruin. Hero of Ages definitely felt more desperate than things have ever felt in Stormlight. And Ruin felt more terrifying than Odium, but I think that's partly because we have a better understanding of what Odium is than we did of Ruin. 1
Frustration Posted September 23, 2021 Posted September 23, 2021 Wasn't scared of either Ruin or Odium, or the unmade, or anything really because Brandon gives every character more plot armor than all the shardplate in Roshar. 1
NameIess Posted September 23, 2021 Posted September 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Frustration said: Wasn't scared of either Ruin or Odium, or the unmade, or anything really because Brandon gives every character more plot armor than all the shardplate in Roshar. I disagree. Quite a few main characters have died in Brandon's books. Maybe the main characters have plot armor in most books of the series, but the last book of the series takes that away.
Frustration Posted September 23, 2021 Posted September 23, 2021 18 minutes ago, Nameless said: I disagree. Quite a few main characters have died in Brandon's books. Maybe the main characters have plot armor in most books of the series, but the last book of the series takes that away. Not the last book, the last 5 chapters or so, and even so that doesn't make anything scary.
NameIess Posted September 23, 2021 Posted September 23, 2021 Just now, Frustration said: Not the last book, the last 5 chapters or so, and even so that doesn't make anything scary. Ehokar, Teft, maybe Rock, the Pursuer, Raboniel, a whole lot of bridge 4, Jezrien, most of the sailors on the Wind's Pleasure, and Kabsal are all dead. Veil's sort of dead. (Mistborn spoilers) Spoiler Dockson, Clubs, Tindwyl, Kinda Kelsier die before the last book. (Elantris spoilers) Spoiler Katara and Hrathen die. They do die late in the book, but still. 1
Frustration Posted September 23, 2021 Posted September 23, 2021 16 minutes ago, Nameless said: Ehokar, Teft, maybe Rock, the Pursuer, Raboniel, a whole lot of bridge 4, Jezrien, most of the sailors on the Wind's Pleasure, and Kabsal are all dead. Veil's sort of dead. And collectively they had what 3 PoV's? And most of those aren't even main characters. 49 minutes ago, Nameless said: Mistborn spoilers) Reveal hidden contents Dockson, Clubs, Tindwyl, Kinda Kelsier die before the last book. Spoiler Kel didn't even die and the others were barely side characters. 58 minutes ago, Nameless said: Hide contents Katara and Hrathen die. They do die late in the book, but still. Spoiler And Hrathen was the only main character, and he didn't even bite the dust until like the second to last chapter
NameIess Posted September 23, 2021 Posted September 23, 2021 49 minutes ago, Frustration said: And most of those aren't even main characters. They might not be main viewpoint characters, but Teft in particular had a character arc. Maybe main characters have some level of plot armor, but that's no reason to think that they won't die in the last book.
Frustration Posted September 23, 2021 Posted September 23, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Nameless said: They might not be main viewpoint characters, but Teft in particular had a character arc. Maybe main characters have some level of plot armor, but that's no reason to think that they won't die in the last book. I don't know, I'm just not feeling it. Edited September 23, 2021 by Frustration
NameIess Posted September 23, 2021 Posted September 23, 2021 Just now, Frustration said: Feel concerned if you wish. I'm betting that there will be at least 2 main character deaths in KoW.
Frustration Posted September 23, 2021 Posted September 23, 2021 Just now, Nameless said: I'm betting that there will be at least 2 main character deaths in KoW. How much we betting?
NameIess Posted September 23, 2021 Posted September 23, 2021 Just now, Frustration said: How much we betting? A plate of hemalurgically spiked cookies.
Frustration Posted September 23, 2021 Posted September 23, 2021 Just now, Nameless said: A plate of hemalurgically spiked cookies. You're on. How do we define a main character?
NameIess Posted September 23, 2021 Posted September 23, 2021 Just now, Frustration said: How do we define a main character? Someone who has a bunch of viewpoints in one of the books.
Frustration Posted September 23, 2021 Posted September 23, 2021 Just now, Nameless said: Someone who has a bunch of viewpoints in one of the books. So 6+ non-interleude PoV's work?
NameIess Posted September 23, 2021 Posted September 23, 2021 Just now, Frustration said: So 6+ non-interleude PoV's work? That works.
Frustration Posted September 23, 2021 Posted September 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Nameless said: That works. The bet has been made.
NameIess Posted September 23, 2021 Posted September 23, 2021 Just now, Frustration said: The bet has been made. Wait, does Radiant count as a death?
Frustration Posted September 23, 2021 Posted September 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Nameless said: Wait, does Radiant count as a death? Why would it?
NameIess Posted September 23, 2021 Posted September 23, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Frustration said: Why would it? Well, Radiant is a distinct person from Shallan. (In the cognitive, at least) Edited September 23, 2021 by Nameless
Frustration Posted September 23, 2021 Posted September 23, 2021 Just now, Nameless said: Well, Radiant is a distinct person from Shallan. (In the cognitive, at least) But spiritually the same individual.
NameIess Posted September 23, 2021 Posted September 23, 2021 Just now, Frustration said: But spiritually the same individual. Yeah. Do heralds count?
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