Jescape Posted November 21, 2020 Report Share Posted November 21, 2020 Does anyone else think that the way Ishar fought was very similar to the way that people burning Atium do? Given that I doubt he has Atium, could he be using fortune somehow? And if so is this something that any bondsmith could learn to do or is it something else? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Oltux72 he/him Posted November 21, 2020 Report Share Posted November 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Jescape said: Does anyone else think that the way Ishar fought was very similar to the way that people burning Atium do? Given that I doubt he has Atium, could he be using fortune somehow? For one thing, a few thousand years of experience and a body magically designed to be a fighting machine helps. We can speculate that you, if you strengthen your bonds to somebody else hard enough, you will learn something from them. Using Fortune would seem to be as un-Vorin as you can get. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jescape Posted November 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Oltux72 said: Using Fortune would seem to be as un-Vorin as you can get. I don't think that would matter to Ishar though. Men reading and writing is also un-Vorin but he (and Kalak) does it. Plus the whole insanity thing. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prymalfire Posted November 21, 2020 Report Share Posted November 21, 2020 I think it's likely he can Connect to Fortune, but he could also just be absurdly skilled. 3 minutes ago, Oltux72 said: Using Fortune would seem to be as un-Vorin as you can get. We have no reason to think Vorinism holds sway over any of the Heralds. They predate it, and Ishar in particular considers himself God, he wouldn't care about any prohibitions. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Oltux72 he/him Posted November 21, 2020 Report Share Posted November 21, 2020 45 minutes ago, Prymalfire said: We have no reason to think Vorinism holds sway over any of the Heralds. They predate it, and Ishar in particular considers himself God, he wouldn't care about any prohibitions. But the arrow of causalty can run the other way. Vorinism bans foretelling the future bevause the Heralds hate it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nymeros Posted November 22, 2020 Report Share Posted November 22, 2020 (edited) I think he's just meant to be a good fighter. Nalan defeated Szeth in like 2 seconds. Edited November 22, 2020 by Nymeros 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+JesterLavorre she/they Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 While he could be tapping fortune, I don’t think it’s due to his Bondsmith powers. Taln has that moment in WoR where he catches a dart from mid air, so he also has a similar ability without being a Bondsmith. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samrat he/him Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 Only if our poor Jezrien fought like Ishar did then Teft and Phendorana wouldn't have died.... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamwa1ker she/her Posted November 29, 2020 Report Share Posted November 29, 2020 It seems really similar to Atium, I paused when I first read it: chapter 111 Quote "Despite earnestly trying, none could land a blow. It was as if … as if they were trying to hit where Ishar was, while he was able to move in anticipation of where they would be." I know the Stormfather says it's experience but I'm not buying it, he has been wrong about other things. I don't think he's an Allomancer but there's often similarities in uses of Investiture across the Cosmere. Maybe he can Connect with them a bit and so knows what they are intending to do. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harkain he/him Posted November 29, 2020 Report Share Posted November 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Dreamwa1ker said: It seems really similar to Atium, I paused when I first read it: chapter 111 I know the Stormfather says it's experience but I'm not buying it, he has been wrong about other things. I don't think he's an Allomancer but there's often similarities in uses of Investiture across the Cosmere. Maybe he can Connect with them a bit and so knows what they are intending to do. It could be connection shenanigans tbh. We don't really understand a lot of how it functions and it could just be he's connected himself to them and knows their intention? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Aletus he/him Posted December 1, 2020 Report Share Posted December 1, 2020 I mean also, while the Windrunners under Sigzil are badassed, well trained fighters, they aren't really veteran blademasters. I'm pretty sure we're just looking at skill here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSub Posted December 2, 2020 Report Share Posted December 2, 2020 It definitely read like someone using atrium and I believe there was an atrium industry in the cosmere. That being said I don't think ishar is using atrium, but could have some crazy bondsmith equivalent. Of course we can't rule out the fact that the heralds are... the heralds, individuals who have been battling the fused and who knows what else for thousands of years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsdaughter613 she/her Posted December 2, 2020 Report Share Posted December 2, 2020 2 hours ago, KSub said: It definitely read like someone using atrium and I believe there was an atrium industry in the cosmere. That being said I don't think ishar is using atrium, but could have some crazy bondsmith equivalent. Of course we can't rule out the fact that the heralds are... the heralds, individuals who have been battling the fused and who knows what else for thousands of years. No, Ishar is definitely not using ‘atrium.’ He was being very uninviting actually. Didn’t even let them in his front door. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ba-Ado-Fisherman Posted December 3, 2020 Report Share Posted December 3, 2020 On 12/1/2020 at 3:12 AM, Arch1tect said: I mean also, while the Windrunners under Sigzil are badassed, well trained fighters, they aren't really veteran blademasters. I'm pretty sure we're just looking at skill here. Naln catching a great arrow from Cord, Taln catching a dart without looking at it, Taln recognizing that Dalinar is "waiting" for him after opening the Perp. I think there is enough evidence to support a theory that Heralds are close enough to the Spiritual Realm to have some amount of Foresight. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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