StanLemon Posted September 22, 2020 Posted September 22, 2020 I've mentioned this a couple times in other threads, but the way that Kaladin recalls Moash's words seem to me a lot like the way Vin would "recall" Reen's words. Just the way the scene is framed is very reminiscent to me. There are issues with this of course, but I was wondering if anyone else had the same thoughts
I Am A Fish he/him Posted September 22, 2020 Posted September 22, 2020 4 hours ago, StanLemon said: I've mentioned this a couple times in other threads, but the way that Kaladin recalls Moash's words seem to me a lot like the way Vin would "recall" Reen's words. Just the way the scene is framed is very reminiscent to me. There are issues with this of course, but I was wondering if anyone else had the same thoughts I can kind of see the connection, but feel Sanderson probably wouldn't do that, for the sake of originality. Though in WoK Syl does say that Kaladin used to be of Odium.
Aspiring Writer Posted September 23, 2020 Posted September 23, 2020 I see where you're getting at, but Odium doesn't seem to be good at that kind of manipulation or at least doesn't seem to use that tactic, may not have the exact powers to do that, and I doubt Odium is manipulating Kelsier from Braize. Whatever Shard is going against Harmony, it's not him. In fact, Odium's Triva reveals that he is scared of Harmony, so I doubt he would confront him yet just t manipulate Kelsier.
StanLemon Posted September 23, 2020 Author Posted September 23, 2020 6 hours ago, Aspiring Writer said: I see where you're getting at, but Odium doesn't seem to be good at that kind of manipulation or at least doesn't seem to use that tactic, may not have the exact powers to do that, and I doubt Odium is manipulating Kelsier from Braize. Whatever Shard is going against Harmony, it's not him. In fact, Odium's Triva reveals that he is scared of Harmony, so I doubt he would confront him yet just t manipulate Kelsier. Like I said, there were problems with the idea. Just wanted to know what others thought of it. However, despite being stuck on Braize he clearly has direct influence on Roshar as is evident in Oathbringer As far as Scadrial or Kelsier goes, I wasn't even considering that. Though on that subject now, Odium is known for corrupting rather than creating, which is more in lines with what we've seen Trell do. Not that I think Odium is Trell
Friendshipspren he/him Posted September 23, 2020 Posted September 23, 2020 16 hours ago, I Used To Be A Fish said: Though in WoK Syl does say that Kaladin used to be of Odium. She did. Hmmm gotta keep my eyes open during the reread ❤️
Gilphon Posted September 23, 2020 Posted September 23, 2020 There have been signs of him talking inside people's head- he mentioned that he had been speaking to Amaram and Dalinar for 'a very long time, and Moash started hearing a mental voice telling him to 'give up his pain' in Kholinar. And there was that one flashback where Dalinar abruptly starts thinking about killing Gavilar; something he never considered before or since. I think what it is, though, is Odium can only do that by reaching through an Unmade- that he can only talk to people who are Connected to an Unmade. Which Kaladin shouldn't be. If there's anything supernatural going on with his mental state this chapter, which I don't think there is, I think it's just lingering effect of what Moash did to him, not something Odium is doing directly. Oh, and Trell is pretty obviously an Avatar of Autonomy, btw.
+robardin he/him Posted September 23, 2020 Posted September 23, 2020 18 hours ago, I Used To Be A Fish said: I can kind of see the connection, but feel Sanderson probably wouldn't do that, for the sake of originality. Though in WoK Syl does say that Kaladin used to be of Odium. Hmm, I believe she says that "you" (humanity) used to be of Odium; as she further says later, "you [humans] brought Odium with you" to Roshar. Right? 3
I Am A Fish he/him Posted September 23, 2020 Posted September 23, 2020 Just now, robardin said: Hmm, I believe she says that "you" (humanity) used to be of Odium; as she further says later, "you [humans] brought Odium with you" to Roshar. Right? I could've totally misunderstood that, but... I actually like the idea of Kaladin moving from Odium to Honor, While Moash moves the other way.
dgreene196 Posted September 29, 2020 Posted September 29, 2020 On 9/23/2020 at 11:29 AM, I Am A Fish said: I could've totally misunderstood that, but... I actually like the idea of Kaladin moving from Odium to Honor, While Moash moves the other way. I guess I just don't see a lot of Hate in Kaladin. He has moments of it (Roshone, Amaram), but it's more of a dip in his general honorable self. Even as early as tWoK, his key, central traits are protecting (giving up his future as a surgeon to protect his brother, seeing honor in the Listeners, where others see an enemy). It's not a steady progression, compared to what we see in Dalinar (though, even with him, he starts the series well on his way toward Honor).
StormFather! Posted October 18, 2020 Posted October 18, 2020 I think that she meant that humans as a whole used to be of Odium, not that Kaladin was of Odium. 1
+Child of Hodor Posted October 18, 2020 Posted October 18, 2020 Odium already pulled a Ruin on Dalinar by influencing him for his whole life with the Thrill and then nearly tricking Dalinar into making a decision that Dalinar thought was the right thing to do, but would actually end up freeing Odium. Except Dalinar managed to resist at the last second. Spoiler Much like Ruin influenced Vin her whole life and tricked Vin into freeing him.
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