Scadrian Human Torches ?

[Friendshipspren he/him]

So could a brass compounder increase his body temperature to extreme levels without igniting himself , but igniting his surroundings ?

I mean for example skimmers and iron compounders could increase thier weight exponentially and thier bodies wouldn't be crushed under thier own weight. 

Similarly do brass compounders or firesouls have resistance to thier own increased bodyheat.

If so could they be like Firefight was supposed to be like in the reckoner series. ( I have only read Steelheart so please no spoilers on incendiary type epics if there are any , no spoilers about the other two books at all ). Like bullets would melt around them and stuff. That would be pretty cool.

If that isn't possible , what about if the person would be a compounder in both gold and brass ? Say it's hemalurgy or result of breeding or whatever .

Or oh right Tlr.

If so  , would the person actually undergo spontaneous human combustion but heal just as rapidly ? 

But wait wouldn't the metals or metalminds or spikes melt then , atleast the gold ones. Would they still be useful in the molten state ?

 

Edited October 24, 2019 by PrinceGenocide
A little polishing

[Karger he/him]

Some of this might be possible however I think that just as stealrunners are not protected against atmospherics(only g forces) firesouls might have resistance against there one heat but I think that their skin combusting would still hurt them.

[Config2]

I'm more curious about the reverse. So if a brass ferring stood in a fire, could they store the heat from the fire? There is a WoB that is a little unclear

 

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Thoughtful Spurts

If tapping heat means your own body gets hotter, does it also mean you become immune to hot temperatures so long as you're tapping it, or should you fill heat and grow colder for that to happen?

Brandon Sanderson

As everything in Feruchemy, you become immune to the effects of the ability only. Like weight doesn't crush you, but at the same time doesn't have a net gain in strength. Growing colder, however, would be more helpful in this regard.

 

So I guess we are wondering where exactly brass is "pulling" heat from when you stockpile.

1. If you are pulling uniformly from everywhere on your body, then to make your skin cold enough to not blister, you'd need to freeze your internal organs.
2. If you can direct where the pull is happening, then you end up with something more simple. You make your skin very cold, and the fire heats it to prevent it from freezing, while you store the heat that would be used naturally.
3. If you are stuck pulling heat from your core only (the center of your body), then you'll end up blistering your skin and not drawing any more heat than normal.

I think the second one is the only option, as we have a whole race of Southerns who need heat. They have a limited (probably very small, based on the low amount of metallic arts in the South) number of "Firemothers and Firefathers" who have to store heat all the time to give it the rest of the people. Their natural heat at one to one will only heat one person, even if they are comfortably warm. If they can essentially light themselves on fire, and stay pleasantly cool while storing heat, then it's more realistic for them to heat the whole race of people.

Back to the original idea: based on the above WoB, the feruchemist could make themselves so hot that they would ignite the air around them. However, once that happened, the ignited air would kill them. So they can make themselves hot enough to do that; but they can't survive that. They could do it and then make themselves cold to survive (assume my logic above works), but it'd be more like a quick burst of heat then a melt metal heat.

[Honorless he/him]

1 hour ago, PrinceGenocide said:

So could a brass compounder increase his body temperature to extreme levels without igniting himself , but igniting his surroundings ?

I mean for example skimmers and iron compounders could increase thier weight exponentially and thier bodies wouldn't be crushed under thier own weight. 

Similarly do brass compounders or firesouls have resistance to thier own increased bodyheat.

If so could they be like Firefight was supposed to be like in the reckoner series. ( I have only read Steelheart so please no spoilers on incendiary type epics if there are any , no spoilers about the other two books at all ). Like bullets would melt around them and stuff. That would be pretty cool.

If that isn't possible , what about if the person would be a compounder in both gold and brass ? Say it's hemalurgy or result of breeding or whatever .

Or oh right Tlr.

If so  , would the person actually undergo spontaneous human combustion but heal just as rapidly ? 

But wait wouldn't the metals or metalminds or spikes melt then , atleast the gold ones. Would they still be useful in the molten state ?

 

Making themselves uncomfortably hot to the touch is definitely possible if they tap all their heat.

Steelrunners can, hypothetically increase their speed without limit (assuming, of course, they somehow managed to store unlimited speed) but they are not protected against atmospheric pressure or any other kind of friction they might encounter.

So, Firesouls probably also do not have a hard limit, only a soft limit that is imposed by their own human biology. With access to Gold, yup, they probably can do what you described. Good catch @PrinceGenocide!

[I took out an upvote from somewhere else to give one to you (I was out of the daily limit of 20, again, sorry @The traveller) so you better believe it!]

Also, (oof ninja'ed by @Config2) while they are storing heat they are quite possibly effectively immune to heat.

Edited October 24, 2019 by Honorless

[Aon Tia she/her]

On the coppermind, it is mentioned that they can increase their body temperatures to a great degree but it will hurt them too. They have to be careful. Being a fire soul does not Grant immunity from fire, even self generated one. However, Storing heat requires them to lower down body temperature and become colder, which is something they can use to resist heat and fires to some extent. 

If the firesoul also had gold healing, well then, I remember TLR mentioning surviving fires and burning. Then they should be able to cause immense heat and remain unaffected also from it. 

[+robardin he/him]

I once speculated that in Era 3, a double-brass Twinborn could wear a kind of "dynamo suit" to convert excess body heat into thermoelectrical energy.

And then maybe that infinite electricity could power the suit to do crazy power stuff, like Iron Man. Except that Iron Man would be kind of vulnerable to Allomancy, and Aluminum Man would be kind of fragile.

[Friendshipspren he/him]

1 hour ago, robardin said:

I once speculated that in Era 3, a double-brass Twinborn could wear a kind of "dynamo suit" to convert excess body heat into thermoelectrical energy.

And then maybe that infinite electricity could power the suit to do crazy power stuff, like Iron Man. Except that Iron Man would be kind of vulnerable to Allomancy, and Aluminum Man would be kind of fragile.

How about titanium man then ? Oh wait can u push / pull on only the 16 metals or all metals ? I'm guessing the latter, otherwise I'm sure nickel bullets would be prevalent by now 

Edited October 24, 2019 by PrinceGenocide
A little polishing

[Quantus he/him]

1 hour ago, PrinceGenocide said:

How about titanium man then ? Oh wait can u push / pull on only the 16 metals or all metals ? I'm guessing the latter, otherwise I'm sure nickel bullets would be prevalent by now 

You can Push/Pull any un-Invested metal that is not Aluminum.  So you cant push Atium or Shardblades, Aluminum, or any Metalmind or Hemalurgic spikes.  

[Friendshipspren he/him]

 

6 minutes ago, Quantus said:

You can Push/Pull any un-Invested metal that is not Aluminum.  So you cant push Atium or Shardblades, Aluminum, or any Metalmind or Hemalurgic spikes.  

Hmm how about carbon nanofibre man then ? Not as catchy but can technically do the job. Or wait univested right. So how about if u just invest it. Take iron to a iron compounder, have him/her fill it to the brim with weight . Ta daa , no more allomantic vulnerability. 

U can be iron Man after all. 

[Aon Tia she/her]

Carbon nanofibre man will totally work. And the Iron man invested suit is too much work but it will work too. 

[Quantus he/him]

1 minute ago, The traveller said:

Carbon nanofibre man will totally work. And the Iron man invested suit is too much work but it will work too. 

Chemically speaking they are still just carbon, no more metal than charcoal or diamond, so they would defiantly be a solid option for strong un-Pushable materials.  Lots of resin composites would qualify as well.  

[Calderis he/him]

All Feruchemy protects from its own direct effects to an alarmingly crazy degree. No Steel doesn't protect you from friction with the air, but it does alter physics to an extent that momentum doesn't break your limbs, your mind is speed to the point that you live in bullet time and everything seems slowed compared your normal motion, and you can run down storming stairs. 

As an equivalent... Yeah, I think you could heat yourself to a point that you could physically combust things around you, and you'd probably even be protected from the heat of those things burning as your body temperature is in similar ranges...

The biggest concern that I see from that is actually your metalminds severely injuring you when you stop. They aren't going to cool just because you did.