Alleyverse Prequel Planning

[+Sorana she/her]

So plot wise, anybody got preferences?

[xinoehp512 he/him]

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Edited October 11, 2019 by xinoehp512

[AonEne he/him]

A plot that doesn’t revolve around the guilds, and instead is about people establishing the Alleycity, etc.? 

[+Sorana she/her]

30 minutes ago, AonEne said:

A plot that doesn’t revolve around the guilds, and instead is about people establishing the Alleycity, etc.? 

I like that idea a lot!

[+ZincAboutIt she/her]

Are we working with rough chronology here in the other Cosmere worlds, and should we construct characters accordingly? Like, no Mistborn Era 2 Twinborn combos, for example? Only old-guard Radiants? Etc? I want to know what's on the table for character creation. Also, nailing down how much power level we're all allowed will also be helpful.

[+Sorana she/her]

Regarding the power level, what about 300? Double than what we have now? Of course characters could only be used in that thread.

[AonEne he/him]

I think the Alleyverse is outside the timeline a little bit. 

Just now, Sorana said:

Regarding the power level, what about 300? Double than what we have now? Of course characters could only be used in that thread.

Sounds fair to me. And yes, we can only use these characters in the prequel thread. 

[+ZincAboutIt she/her]

5 minutes ago, Sorana said:

Regarding the power level, what about 300? Double than what we have now? Of course characters could only be used in that thread.

Yeah that seems fine. How far back is this taking place, anyway? Several hundred years? A few decades? A thousand years?

[AonEne he/him]

Just now, ZincAboutIt said:

How far back is this taking place, anyway? Several hundred years? A few decades? A thousand years?

I think a few generations was suggested, but it would be cool to go back farther. Is it canon anywhere how long ago the Alleycity was built? The first time, not the time after it was nuked, or any of the other times? 

[+ZincAboutIt she/her]

Just now, AonEne said:

I think a few generations was suggested, but it would be cool to go back farther. Is it canon anywhere how long ago the Alleycity was built? The first time, not the time after it was nuked, or any of the other times? 

I can read through a few of Mac's recent posts, he did some backstory somewhere recently I think. If it's not canon yet we can always consult the most high lord of Voidish Science and Baking for confirmation.

[kenod]

26 minutes ago, AonEne said:

I think a few generations was suggested, but it would be cool to go back farther. Is it canon anywhere how long ago the Alleycity was built? The first time, not the time after it was nuked, or any of the other times? 

Roughly 1500-1000 years, you'll need @Voidus for a more specific number.

[Voidus]

9 hours ago, kenod said:

Roughly 1500-1000 years, you'll need @Voidus for a more specific number.

I think 1500 years ago was the stabilizing of the Alleyverse IIRC, but the city itself would have been a bit later, I don't think I've put an exact date to it.

[I think I am here. he/him]

On 12/10/2019 at 0:53 AM, Sorana said:

Regarding the power level, what about 300? Double than what we have now? Of course characters could only be used in that thread.

Bringing this thread back up so we don’t forget it. Yeah, I think that’s a good power level

[kenod]

In that case we should probably come up with a plot, or at least where the story starts. Do we also want to talk about having a couple of people lead the plot?

[+Sorana she/her]

We could rp around the time the city was created, use that as starting point and base for the plot.

[I think I am here. he/him]

8 minutes ago, Sorana said:

We could rp around the time the city was created, use that as starting point and base for the plot.

Yeah. Maybe there could be people who support the creation of the city, and those who don’t? That seems vague enough to leave lots of space to RP.

[AonEne he/him]

2 hours ago, I think I am here. said:

Yeah. Maybe there could be people who support the creation of the city, and those who don’t? That seems vague enough to leave lots of space to RP.

Why wouldn’t people support the city being built? 

[Silva]

On 10/25/2019 at 10:28 AM, AonEne said:

Why wouldn’t people support the city being built? 

I'm not really planning to get too involved here, but to answer Ene's question...

It's the same reason why anyone doesn't want to join together. Fear. If everyone is congregated in one spot, they're more exposed and can't pick up and run. Especially with much higher power levels. The Uninvested have reason to be afraid. One Invested can decide they want to be in charge and make them suffer. A city can't exist without ordinary citizens. Until enough Uninvested can be convinced to settle down, no long-lasting city can be established due to lack of consistency. 

Also, you're assuming that the people know there's a plan to build a city. That would require reliable systems of communication. I'm not imagining organized settlements of any sort. People might be scattered all over. How would you contact them and propose the idea? What would a city offer them that isn't better than they already have? 

Then, think of the people on the AlleyPlanet. Sure, some are natives, but there probably are also immigrants. The immigrants might be coming to escape lifestyles of laws and governments reigning over them. These immigrants also are coming from other planets, bringing in different forms of Investiture. They're strangers. The natives wouldn't jump at the chance to create a shared settlement.

Though, maybe there aren't many immigrants. If there's no organized settlement, word might not be widely out there about the AlleyPlanet. Which goes back to my first points. The DA created the planet, no? These people are most likely aware of that and afraid of doing anything drastic. For all they know, they might be wiped out of existence if they join together.

Hence, guilds. I know, I know, you want to avoid getting to into guild politics, but it would be a natural result to split into factions over something like this. Unwittingly, the guilds would lead to forming more connections and the eventual unity, even if the early guilds die off soon afterwards.

Or, I'm totally off here due to a brain too full of American history. 

Tl;dr: "The DA created the planet, no? These people are most likely aware of that and afraid of doing anything drastic. For all they know, they might be wiped out of existence if they join together."

[AonEne he/him]

Okay, those are some fair points. 

[AonEne he/him]

Sorry for the double post, don't want this to die. So,

• 300 points power level for characters, who don't take up a slot in your character count 
• 1,300ish years before the present day (200 years after the establishment of the AV)
• with characters who either support or don't support the Alleycity being built (and the implications that come with it, like attempting to create some form of organization etc.)
• and may or may not be in guilds which we make for the express purpose of this prequel and which end during the RP or shortly after it. (It'd be fun stylistically to leave the members just acknowledging their imminent doom at the end of it, but then cutting before showing it.)

Possibilities for these guilds ending:

• The semi-fledgling DA gets annoyed with them and wipes them all out
• They just fade away over time, losing any sense of purpose
• Their members all die
  • this could happen to some but not others
• They ally with and then are sucked into another guild - GUILD AMOEBA
• They revolted against the Alleycity's founding, and either lost very violently or was so depressed at losing that they just stopped

Things to keep in mind:

• We want this to be less about the guilds and more about the individuals
  • one way to do this could be to have several guilds fail right off the bat?
• The DA might be less known at this time, communication wouldn't be as great

Sound good?

[+ZincAboutIt she/her]

Question: would the whole of the DA even support the creation of the Alleycity? I suppose a few Alley entrances would be necessary but the Alleys themselves exist in a separate reality do they not? Would every DA member want a city? I’m actually rather curious about this. RPing internal guild conflict could be fun.

[+Sorana she/her]

5 minutes ago, ZincAboutIt said:

Question: would the whole of the DA even support the creation of the Alleycity? I suppose a few Alley entrances would be necessary but the Alleys themselves exist in a separate reality do they not? Would every DA member want a city? I’m actually rather curious about this. RPing internal guild conflict could be fun.

I think we could handle that as in real life. Some would be for buildung the city, some against. Actually it might be great to rp someone who is against the whole project. It makes a great arc that inevitably ends in failure. The failure could be softened by having a smaller impact on something like where the city is in the end, or where a special building is located or things like that.

But that only is my opinion, I don't want to intrude on inner guild politics or something

[Rushu42 she/her]

16 hours ago, AonEne said:

Sorry for the double post, don't want this to die. So,

• 300 points power level for characters, who don't take up a slot in your character count 
• 1,300ish years before the present day (200 years after the establishment of the AV)
• with characters who either support or don't support the Alleycity being built (and the implications that come with it, like attempting to create some form of organization etc.)
• and may or may not be in guilds which we make for the express purpose of this prequel and which end during the RP or shortly after it. (It'd be fun stylistically to leave the members just acknowledging their imminent doom at the end of it, but then cutting before showing it.)

Possibilities for these guilds ending:

• The semi-fledgling DA gets annoyed with them and wipes them all out
• They just fade away over time, losing any sense of purpose
• Their members all die
  • this could happen to some but not others
• They ally with and then are sucked into another guild - GUILD AMOEBA
• They revolted against the Alleycity's founding, and either lost very violently or was so depressed at losing that they just stopped

Things to keep in mind:

• We want this to be less about the guilds and more about the individuals
  • one way to do this could be to have several guilds fail right off the bat?
• The DA might be less known at this time, communication wouldn't be as great

Sound good?

That all sounds great! I've got a character in mind already...

Do you know when we're going to start?

[+ZincAboutIt she/her]

13 hours ago, Sorana said:

I don't want to intrude on inner guild politics or something

Honestly I do not think the DA has guild politics.  

[kenod]

6 minutes ago, ZincAboutIt said:

Honestly I do not think the DA has guild politics.  

I'm not sure, I think that with the Stranger's current plan there will probably be an element of guild politics, in the way that one member (or a small number) are trying to do something behind Voidus' back. But I think you can make a case for guild politics, given that IIRC there were multiple groups capable of using the alleys back then, so having DA splinter groups could make sense. It might even be the reason that loyalty spikes are used nowadays.