Toaster Retribution he/him Posted July 17, 2019 Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 So, I wonder how much time the Heralds had to spend to make sure that Ash was with them on abandoning the Oathpact. After all, it meant that she left the man she loved to eternal torture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsecaller_17.5 he/him Posted July 17, 2019 Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 I think that deep down all of them were so broken they went along with it pretty quick. I don’t have evidence, just a hunch. She definitely regretted it though with all her destruction of the heralds religious stuff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kon-Tiki he/him Posted July 17, 2019 Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 Took less time than it took for Kalak to show up 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsecaller_17.5 he/him Posted July 17, 2019 Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Kon-Tiki said: Took less time than it took for Kalak to show up There’s the evidence! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution he/him Posted July 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Kon-Tiki said: Took less time than it took for Kalak to show up Yeah, which makes me wonder how long Kalak was gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsecaller_17.5 he/him Posted July 17, 2019 Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 Just now, Toaster Retribution said: Yeah, which makes me wonder how long Kalak was gone. I would bet on hours. Certainly not days, but I find it highly unlikely it was minutes. IIRC the prelude described a pretty small area where everything was going down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pathfinder Posted July 17, 2019 Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Truthwatcher_17.5 said: I would bet on hours. Certainly not days, but I find it highly unlikely it was minutes. IIRC the prelude described a pretty small area where everything was going down. Taln was already dead by the time Kalak walked up. So she had already technically left him the moment she decided to not go back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsecaller_17.5 he/him Posted July 17, 2019 Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Pathfinder said: Taln was already dead by the time Kalak walked up. So she had already technically left him the moment she decided to not go back. But I think that’s what the question is? How long did it take for her decide not to go back? I was suggesting that it was hours at most. Edited July 17, 2019 by Truthwatcher_17.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kon-Tiki he/him Posted July 17, 2019 Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 They left Taln behind (they knew how/where he had died) and they were prepared to leave Kalak behind if it turned out he had died too. As for time scale, I could see days, but not weeks in case he was an Oathgate hop away. Either way, I suspect it didn't take much convincing of Ash any more than it did of Kalak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger he/him Posted July 17, 2019 Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 29 minutes ago, Toaster Retribution said: So, I wonder how much time the Heralds had to spend to make sure that Ash was with them on abandoning the Oathpact. After all, it meant that she left the man she loved to eternal torture. It seems that a large group of them including Jez and Ishar were in on the discussion. We only know that Kelek and Taln himself were not. Also I am not sure we have confirmation on a romantic relationship between Ash and Taln(if we do some one point it out to me) although I agree that they probably had one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantus he/him Posted July 18, 2019 Report Share Posted July 18, 2019 14 hours ago, Truthwatcher_17.5 said: I think that deep down all of them were so broken they went along with it pretty quick. I don’t have evidence, just a hunch. She definitely regretted it though with all her destruction of the heralds religious stuff. It's worth noting that she doesnt destroy all heraldic religious stuff, she is specifically destroying images of herself and usually leaves the rest intact. That could be a giult thing, but Ive seen decent theories that it is specific to her madness. The idea is that all the herald's madness is an inversion of their associated Attributes, and she was the Herald of Beauty, known for Creativity and Honesty, who is now sneaking around destroying all records of her own appearance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfphelps he/him Posted July 18, 2019 Report Share Posted July 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Quantus said: It's worth noting that she doesnt destroy all heraldic religious stuff, she is specifically destroying images of herself and usually leaves the rest intact. That could be a giult thing, but Ive seen decent theories that it is specific to her madness. The idea is that all the herald's madness is an inversion of their associated Attributes, and she was the Herald of Beauty, known for Creativity and Honesty, who is now sneaking around destroying all records of her own appearance. I was always under the impression it was guilt based because she didn't feel the Heralds, specifically herself, should be revered so much, and her insanity manifested in her destroying her likeness to remove one way that people revered her, so thanks for mentioning other options! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cometaryorbit Posted July 20, 2019 Report Share Posted July 20, 2019 From what the Stormfather says in Oathbringer, it seems like the Heralds didn't really have much choice. They were being progressively destroyed, and the times between Desolations were shortening dramatically - less than a year gap the last time. If they hadn't done something different, Rosharan humanity probably wouldn't have survived the next decade. Their only other option would have been to try something totally out-of-the-box, like evacuating everybody off Roshar through the Perpendicularities. Which makes me wonder why Honor didn't do something, he was fully alive then and surely was aware of what was happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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