Impact he/him Posted July 10, 2019 Report Share Posted July 10, 2019 So in my reread of Oathbringer, I noticed that when, in the flashbacks, Dalinar feels the Thrill, it says on a few occasions that he almost hears a beat or rhythm. I wonder if this has anything to do with the Singers' rhythms? My theory is that he's hearing one of the Rhythms of power faintly, because the Unmade are spren of Odium and Odium's spren are what grant the new Rhythms. Being under the influence of such a powerful, giant spren, especially for someone like Dalinar who's spirit web has to be a little broken to be a nascent Radiant, creates a mindset or almost a Connection to the Singers in a way not yet explored. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger he/him Posted July 10, 2019 Report Share Posted July 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, Impact said: My theory is that he's hearing one of the Rhythms of power faintly, because the Unmade are spren of Odium and Odium's spren are what grant the new Rhythms. Being under the influence of such a powerful, giant spren, especially for someone like Dalinar who's spirit web has to be a little broken to be a nascent Radiant, creates a mindset or almost a Connection to the Singers in a way not yet explored. My person theory is that Dalinar is actually how Odium figured out how to bond humans. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impact he/him Posted July 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, Karger said: My person theory is that Dalinar is actually how Odium figured out how to bond humans. Very interesting... I could see that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersmith Posted July 12, 2019 Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 The real question is, why can’t humans hear the rhythm in the first place? Why do they need to have some Singer blood (Rock) or feeling the thrill? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsecaller_17.5 he/him Posted July 12, 2019 Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 1 hour ago, supersmith said: The real question is, why can’t humans hear the rhythm in the first place? Why do they need to have some Singer blood (Rock) or feeling the thrill? Does Rock have singer blood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara she/her Posted July 12, 2019 Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Truthwatcher_17.5 said: Does Rock have singer blood? Yes, Horneaters and Herdazians both have some singer blood. The Horneaters got the red hair, the extra mouth parts, and the height. The Herdazians have rock-like fingernails. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger he/him Posted July 14, 2019 Report Share Posted July 14, 2019 On 7/12/2019 at 2:26 PM, supersmith said: The real question is, why can’t humans hear the rhythm in the first place? Why do they need to have some Singer blood (Rock) or feeling the thrill? Singer mind's are closer to the CR then human ones. They also may be more invested. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersmith Posted July 14, 2019 Report Share Posted July 14, 2019 So the rhythms are in the CR then? Why don’t humans hear them when they are in the CR? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger he/him Posted July 14, 2019 Report Share Posted July 14, 2019 45 minutes ago, supersmith said: So the rhythms are in the CR then? Why don’t humans hear them when they are in the CR? I believe it is Shallan who mentions when looking in when time that the beads rattle to a strange rhythm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara she/her Posted July 14, 2019 Report Share Posted July 14, 2019 (edited) On 7/14/2019 at 0:54 PM, supersmith said: So the rhythms are in the CR then? Why don’t humans hear them when they are in the CR? The Rhythms are the Rosharan version of a Spiritual phenomenon that permeates the cosmere. For why humans can't hear them but singers can, it's sort of the same type of question as why can singers grow carapace but humans can't? It's how the story is written. Humans don't have the spiritual or genetic ability to hear them. The humans don't hear the Rhythms in the CR. They hear the beads clacking together, in what seems to be a Rhythm. It's like how they can hear the singers speaking or singing to the Rhythms, but not know what they are. Edited July 16, 2019 by RShara 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersmith Posted July 15, 2019 Report Share Posted July 15, 2019 Ok that makes a lot of sense, this had been bugging me for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara she/her Posted July 15, 2019 Report Share Posted July 15, 2019 (edited) I left out that they're a Spiritual phenomenon, btw. Not a Cognitive one. Sorry, I thought I typed it but apparently I didn't Edited July 15, 2019 by RShara 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantus he/him Posted July 15, 2019 Report Share Posted July 15, 2019 Beat me to it: Quote Questioner (paraphrased) Could a Soother prevent a listener from attuning a given rhythm? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) No. A coppercloud could, but I hadn't thought about emotional allomancy interacting. See, the rhythm isn't your emotion and doesn't determine your mood. It is a direct connection to the spiritual realm. So I guess soothing could make it harder just like it makes anything harder, in the same way that driving a car would be harder. [recording starts here] And so, for the same reasons that you can, um, it is possible that a coppercloud can play with it. Not a normal power of a coppercloud, but you’ve seen them do stuff similar. Footnote: Question was cut off in recording, first bit reproduced from memoryBoskone 54 (Feb. 17, 2017) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impact he/him Posted July 16, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 Is it the closeness to spren that allow singers to hear the rhythms? Because if the Rhythms come from the spirit realm, maybe there is something about spren's existence in the SR that allow singers to hear them. Maybe that's why the parshmen could not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xardan Ta'Caran he/him Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 Quote So the rhythms are in the CR then? Why don’t humans hear them when they are in the CR? Spoiler I had always assumed that the humans couldn't hear the rhythms because they're not originally from Roshar. The rhythms were created for the listeners, not the humans, so why would an invading species be able to hear the rhythms? Sorry. All of my information has to do with spoilers from Oathbringer. Please don't read that unless you've finished the book. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara she/her Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 No need for spoiler tags for any Stormlight content in this forum, unless someone specifically requests them. The Rhythms, as I said, are the Rosharan version of a Spiritual phenomenon that happens across the Cosmere. They weren't created for the singers, the singers just have the ability to attune to them. They're related a bit to how Mistborn: Spoiler Bronze Seekers hear pulses from people who are burning metals. Quote Aethenoth Can an Allomantic bronze burner hear the Rhythms on Roshar? Brandon Sanderson Yes, this is possible. General Signed Books 2016 (May 2, 2016) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantus he/him Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 I suspect it has to do with the fact that singers have a Gemheart, which is itself a point of leakage directly from the spiritual realm that crystalizes into a chemically pure gem 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TheFoxQR Posted July 20, 2019 Report Share Posted July 20, 2019 The Rhythms are a part of wider phenomena, as mentioned by others. Other examples are Seekers, which can hear kinetic allomancy. Skilled ones can also distinguish between different forms of Kinetic Allomancy by the specific beat. Alendi and Vin also heard the Well as beats. Same thing probably. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nofrodelius Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 On 7/12/2019 at 9:33 PM, RShara said: Yes, Horneaters and Herdazians both have some singer blood. The Horneaters got the red hair, the extra mouth parts, and the height. The Herdazians have rock-like fingernails. Can you explain what you mean by "extra mouth parts"? I can't recall any mention of this in the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara she/her Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 19 minutes ago, nofrodelius said: Can you explain what you mean by "extra mouth parts"? I can't recall any mention of this in the books. It's referred to a little subtly, but it's why Horneaters can eat, well, horns, and shells and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nofrodelius Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 Just now, RShara said: It's referred to a little subtly, but it's why Horneaters can eat, well, horns, and shells and such. Ah, I thought they just had extra-strong teeth. The way you phrased it, I thought they might have mandibles or something that I completely missed in the books... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara she/her Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, nofrodelius said: Ah, I thought they just had extra-strong teeth. The way you phrased it, I thought they might have mandibles or something that I completely missed in the books... Quote Brandon Sanderson There was intermixing long ago. Horneaters and Herdazians are both a result. (Signs of this are the stone carapace on Herdazian fingernails and the Horneater extra jaw pieces--in the back of the mouth--for breaking shells.) Humans and parshmen don't have a common ancestor. And as a side note, both of these strains of humanoids predate the ascension of Honor, Cultivation, and Odium. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/188/#e3922 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nofrodelius Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, RShara said: Aaaah, I see! Cool - I had no idea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimple Posted August 12, 2019 Report Share Posted August 12, 2019 Quote His people had always assumed the humans were deaf to the rhythms, but he wasn’t convinced. Perhaps it was his imagination, but it seemed that sometimes they responded to certain rhythms. They’d look up at a moment of frenzied beats, eyes getting a far-off look. They’d grow agitated and shout in time, for a moment, to the Rhythm of Irritation, or whoop right on beat with the Rhythm of Joy. It comforted him to think that they might someday learn to hear the rhythms. Perhaps then he wouldn’t feel so alone. I think we can say that humans can subconsciously hear the rhythms. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wanderer Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 On 12/07/2019 at 7:26 PM, supersmith said: The real question is, why can’t humans hear the rhythm in the first place? Why do they need to have some Singer blood (Rock) or feeling the thrill? the Parshendi are more Connected to Roshar than humans are, as they are the original inhabitants of Roshar. It also said in the Ela Steile that humans could not "hear Roshar". so it might be something from the Cognitive or Spiritual realms. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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