Metalborn with Essence Marks for other metals?

[+robardin he/him]

Obviously an Allomancer would not be able to create an Essence Mark, as that would require someone from MaiPon on Sel to do; but as we see Shai do, it's certainly possible (though very difficult) for a Forger to create one for someone else.

So it occurred to me that it should be very easily plausible that a Lurcher might have turned out to be a Coinshot, or any other kind of Misting, though "full upgrading" to Mistborn status would be a lot less plausible. They already won the sDNA lottery to be an Allomancer, so to speak, and have a stronger Spiritual Connection with Preservation than most other poeple; only the specific expression of that would be changed, where that connection point happened to lie, right? And if some types of Allomancers are indeed "naturally" (Harmonically) more rare or more common than others then maybe it'd be easier/harder to make a Mark to alter someone to that use that metal.

For Twinborn, I'd think there'd be a crossing type of effect that made it more than twice as hard to change both metals instead of just one. Still, imagine if Wayne could stamp himself to be a gold compounder for a bit, changing just his A-bendalloy to A-gold, fill a bunch of goldminds, then go back to normal. He'd sure like that!

But such a change would only be effective while the Allomancer was on Sel, wouldn't it? Where Allomancy would work, but he'd have to get there first.

I once asked if Ashravan could leave the Rose Empire with his Essence Mark, or if it was bound by location to be close to MaiPan or the Rose Empire - or if maybe he could travel freely until it was time to re-stamp himself, at which time he'd have to be in the Rose Empire for the stamping to work. I couldn't find that thread again in a search (I probably misspelled his name or something). But I think the consensus was that he maybe could travel to the Cognitive Realm that way, but physical travel was likely limited to the Rose Empire? Based on there being a WoB of some kind that Forged goods like vases or furniture would not keep their form if removed too far from the Rose Empire.

Still, it's kind of fun to imagine someone temporarily but regularly swapping powers without resorting to hemalurgy.

[Quantus he/him]

Barring the generic caveat that manipulating one bit of Investiture with another is difficult, I think this should work, though I think the jury is still out on how much bloodlines affect the type of misting you become, and I think the original kings that were made mistings would imply that the genetics do have a specific leaning. 

Another similar route, if you managed to get an era1 spike that came from a full mistborn and/or full Feruchemist, it would probably be a relatively simple Stamp to rewrite it's history to have stolen a different power, and maybe even charge it by convincing it that is had been kept in Blood storage the whole time.  Then you'd only need two spikes to be any kind of Twinborn. 

Either way, yes, it would require that you remain on Sel to make it work, barring other realmic shenanigans to extend the connection.  But it may be possible given that the Ire are Elantrians that manage to persist away from Elantris and made an expedition to Scadrial.

[Karger he/him]

I believe we have a WoB that says that their is usually no connection between the type of mistling and their parents.  Your bloodline either has it or does not.

[Wandering Investor]

Allomantic ability is genetic, but the type isn't as far as I know. Since its just as easy to be one or the other, this could very well be possible. I'm imagining using forgery to gain access to a couple different metals, both allomantic and feruchemic, and then creating metalminds with all the allomantic and feruchemic powers. Then you can freely tap them, and just have to be sure to compound every once in awhile to keep them full. I'm sure there's something that stops that from being possible, but still a neat idea.

[CosmereScholar]

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the_archduke (paraphrased)

If the Lord Ruler captured Shai and gave her 100 days to craft a soulstamp that could turn an iron Hemalurgic spike into a steel Hemalurgic spike, could she do it?

Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

Yes, but she would need a boost of power to do it. Affecting an Invested object is hard.

the_archduke [Alternate wording from stormfather's report] (paraphrased)

Can Shai change Hemalurgic spikes?

Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

Yes, but it costs a lot of power and she wouldn't be able to do it alone.

 

#forgery #hemalurgy

So, it would be difficult to reforge spikes.

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Trae Cooper (paraphrased)

Suppose you had a Feruchemist that was also skilled in Forgery. If they Soulstamped themselves, would they normally be able to still use Feruchemy, and if they were able to use Feruchemy after a Soulstamp would they be able to access their own metalminds?

Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

You could do so, but it would require jerry-rigging in order to make it work, since the Soulstamp overwrites the current Spiritual aspect of a person. He then said that the accessing the metalminds would also require some amount of jerry-rigging. 

 

#feruchemy #forgery

So Wayne probably couldn’t use any stored power after temporarily compounding, because of his altered identity.

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Questioner

Could a Forger re-write their history to adjust the kind of metal they burn as an Allomancer?

Brandon Sanderson

They could, but it actually wouldn't do anything, because the magic would not be able to replicate the other magic.

Questioner

So they would not be able to re-write history in the necessary way?

Brandon Sanderson

They would not be able to. I mean they could, but it wouldn’t have an effect, does that make sense? It would do nothing, it would be like you can create the stamp, the stamp would look like it was working but you just wouldn't end up with Allomancy.

 

#allomancy #forgery

So, it is likely infeasible to rewrite your powers.

[Nathrangking he/him]

Questioner [PENDING REVIEW]

Does Allomancy's lineage play a factor in which kind of Misting they are?

Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW]

Not usually.

Orem Signing (March 16, 2019)

[CosmereScholar]

Actually, just realized more recent WoBs seems to suggest converting between similar powers is possible.

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Questioner [PENDING REVIEW]

Soul Forging. Emperor's Soul. If one created the stamp properly, could you, using it, say, Windrunner you stamp, rewrote past to be Lightweaver. Possible?

Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW]

That is possible and a little easier than a lot of other things. It's gonna run into problems... in that the Oaths are gonna be hard to align.

Questioner [PENDING REVIEW]

Probably require some very fine crafting on the stamp.

Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW]

Very fine crafting on the stamp. And there are certain people that they're just gonna have a hard time fitting into certain Orders. This is a lot easier though than just taking a random person and making them into one, because you're gonna already have Investiture that they've got.

Questioner [PENDING REVIEW]

And have the basis of the First Oath.

Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW]

Yeah. So this is not as hard as it might at first sound. It's the sort of thing that people in the cosmere are looking at. Like, being able to transfer magics between-- and things like that is one of very much interest in the cosmere.

 

#forgery #knights radiant

There’s another one where Sanderson says it would be quite easy for Shai to forge someone who had been bonded to a shard blade to have never given it away, so they could summon it.

It’s possible though that Allomancy is more intristic though, while the effects above are related to bonds.

[twenty second of the sun]

How much investiture would it take to soul stamp the cosmere so Odium didn't stuff the bodies of dominion and devotion into the cognitive realm? 

[twenty second of the sun]

How awesome would it be if you could soul stamp an entire magic system out of existence .