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Zallek Windblade

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Do we know if the humans who came over from Ashyn were created by a Shard? Or were they there pre-shattering? If they were made by a Shard, would Odium have any reason to create them? Or did he just sorta take over after another Shard created them?  If I recall correctly the Parshendi were there pre-shattering so were the humans as well?

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RShara

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We don't know for sure what the origins of the humans on Ashyn but I'm almost certain Odium didn't create them. Odium specifically didn't want to Invest in any place, so he could keep as much active investiture as possible. Humans or any other life form are pretty secondary, in his mind. They might have migrated over from Ashyn or been created by Adonalsium, we don't know.

I also am pretty sure Odium was never the god of a substantial number of humans on Ashyn. He's came and meddled there and got them to blow up their planet, but I doubt he was around long enough to actually be a figure of worship, since if he spent a lot of time on a planet, his power would naturally start to Invest there.

 

Edit: @Weltall That doesn't actually say that humans on Ashyn pre-date the Shattering. just that humans in general pre-date the Shattering.

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Calderis

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Just now, Weltall said:

The humans who came from Ashyn to Roshar predate the Shattering. As far as we know, there are only two inhabited worlds in the Cosmere whose populations don't predate the Shards and Scadrial is one. The other is implicitly not one that we've seen so far, or Khriss would have mentioned it in Arcanum Unbounded.

I actually think Roshar itself is one of the ones that doesn't predate the shattering... But it doesn't mean what people tend to think it does. 

Khriss says this about Scadrial. 

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It is one of only two places in the cosmere where humankind does not predate the arrival of Shards.

It says nothing of creation... And before the Shattering, humans were not on Roshar. 

That said, I agree that the humans who later came to Roshar do predate the Shattering per this WoB. 

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HorseCannon

I didn't realize horneaters had parshmen blood, didn't even realize that was possible. How closely are humans and parshmen related, do they have a common ancestor? Or is one an artificially created version of the other?

Brandon Sanderson

There was intermixing long ago. Horneaters and Herdazians are both a result. (Signs of this are the stone carapace on Herdazian fingernails and the Horneater extra jaw pieces--in the back of the mouth--for breaking shells.)

Humans and parshmen don't have a common ancestor. And as a side note, both of these strains of humanoids predate the ascension of Honor, Cultivation, and Odium.

ccstat

Are there Aimian-Human hybrids as well? (Either type of Aimian) If so, are the Thaylen people one of these?

Brandon Sanderson

RAFO.

Blightsong

*via private message*

Some of us believe that you are saying that humans and listeners existed pre-Shattering while some of us believe that you are saying that Horneaters and Herdazians existed pre-Shattering (you have mentioned that humans had been on Roshar since before the Shattering recently). What were you trying to say here?

Brandon Sanderson

Humans (other than those on Yolen) existed pre-Shattering, as did parshmen.

Footnote: Blightsong's parenthetical statement is mistaken; there is no source claiming that humans had been on Roshar since before the Shattering.
General Reddit 2015 (Nov. 16, 2015)

 

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Weltall

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1 minute ago, Calderis said:

That said, I agree that the humans who later came to Roshar do predate the Shattering per this WoB.

That's literally the one I provided to back up my assertion. :P

But I bow to your superior Nitpick-Fu when you point out that since humans technically weren't on Roshar until the Shards had arrived, it could count as the second planet in Khriss' description.

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RShara

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9 minutes ago, Weltall said:

The humans who came from Ashyn to Roshar predate the Shattering. As far as we know, there are only two inhabited worlds in the Cosmere whose populations don't predate the Shards and Scadrial is one of them. The other is implicitly not a world that we've seen so far, or Khriss would have mentioned it in Arcanum Unbounded.

 

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Edit: @Weltall That WoB doesn't actually say that humans on Ashyn pre-date the Shattering. just that humans in general pre-date the Shattering.

 

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Weltall

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@Calderis@RShara Arcanum-Fu to the rescue!

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On Roshar, do the humans predate the two Shards coming there, or did they come with the Shards?

Brandon Sanderson

The humans were...not created by Honor, Cultivation or Odium.

Arcanum Unbounded Seattle signing (Dec. 1, 2016)

This doesn't account for what we know from Oathbringer about how humans aren't native to Roshar but it's still Brandon saying that the Shards didn't create the humans in the system. Or at least the majority of humans, because who knows where the Iriali come from...

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RShara

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Again, all it says is that humans were not created by Honor, Cultivation or Odium, and that humans in general existed pre-Shattering. It doesn't say that humans on Ashyn pre-date the Shattering.

They could have existed there pre-Shattering. They could have migrated there post-Shattering/pre-Shardic arrival. They could have migrated there post-Shattering/post-Honor+Cultivation. The WoB doesn't discount any of these options.

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Karger

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Shallash mentions Adonalsium in OB implying that her people know about the shattering.  This indicates that they are either quite old or more cosmere aware then I have given them credit for.

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