Karger he/him Posted March 4, 2019 Posted March 4, 2019 I have been thinking about potential Radiants that will likely be cropping up around the world as the Desolation hits. We know that people who associate with Radiants have a higher chance of becoming Radiant themselves and that the type of Radiant depends on the personality of the individual swearing the oath as spren are attracted to specific individuals based on their personalities. We have seen almost every type of spren show up except for the spren Stonewards bond. Our description of Stonewards is that "they thought it a point of virtue to exemplify resolve, strength, and dependability. Alas, they took less care for imprudent practice of their stubbornness, even in the face of proven error." Does this not exactly describe Kadesh? 10
+Invocation Posted March 4, 2019 Posted March 4, 2019 I could see it kind of, but it might have to wait until Kadash is fully turned to Dalinar's side again. He's still investigating whether Vorinism is justified or not.
Calderis he/him Posted March 4, 2019 Posted March 4, 2019 (edited) Awesome idea. I hadn't considered it and I think it fits well... And considering Malata and the Skybreakers and everything else, so long as he exhibits the correct traits, I don't think his relationship with Dalinar matters in the least. It would actually be even more interesting if it happened while he was still stubbornly set against Dalinar. Edited March 4, 2019 by Calderis 3
Gasper he/him Posted March 4, 2019 Posted March 4, 2019 I have a pet theory that the Ardentia will excommunicate any Ardent who becomes a Radiant. One of their main shticks is calling the Radiants evil. They begrudgingly accepted Dalinar and the rest of the Radiants but then turned on them. I think we will see this get worse as the Vorin church falls more and more into the grasp of Odium. They will either become spies, start an inquisition, or banish any Radiants they find.
Karger he/him Posted March 5, 2019 Author Posted March 5, 2019 I think that the Adentia will be largely discredited if and when the Sons of Honor's activities become publicized. I also find it hard to believe that the Ardents would not want influence over radiant business. As a side note what do you all think of my theory that Stonewards bond Faithspren? 1
Toaster Retribution he/him Posted March 5, 2019 Posted March 5, 2019 I like it. Kadash seems like a good fit. 7 hours ago, Karger said: I think that the Adentia will be largely discredited if and when the Sons of Honor's activities become publicized. I think this is uncertain. They are religious extremists, and the Ardentia itself seems to have little to do with them.
Karger he/him Posted March 5, 2019 Author Posted March 5, 2019 (edited) The Sons of Honor are working to bring back the power of the Vorin Church which is made up of Ardents. I have a hard time believing that some of them are not involved. Edited March 5, 2019 by Karger
Turtle373 he/him Posted March 5, 2019 Posted March 5, 2019 I love this, Stonewards are my favorite order, and I can't wait to see it's members, and I think Kadash is broken enough to bond a spren, with his faith being undermined, and what we see in Dalinar's flashbacks 2
Karger he/him Posted March 5, 2019 Author Posted March 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Turtle373 said: I love this, Stonewards are my favorite order, and I can't wait to see it's members, and I think Kadash is broken enough to bond a spren, with his faith being undermined, and what we see in Dalinar's flashbacks Why are Stonewards your favorite order? We know basically nothing about them.
Turtle373 he/him Posted March 5, 2019 Posted March 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, Karger said: Why are Stonewards your favorite order? We know basically nothing about them. a couple reasons 1. Taln is awesome 2. their personality, Quote The Stonewards exemplified resolve, strength, and dependability. -coppermind 3. their potential 2nd ideal, Quote I will stand where others fall -coppermind So pretty much I really like their temperament, and if they try to exemplify Taln then I can't wait to see them on screen, and Brandon said this about their surges Quote Questioner What's your favorite order of the Knights Radiant and why, and which are you most exited to expand upon. Brandon Sanderson I would say that my favorite is probably the Windrunners, just because, y'know, they do the stuff that I would want to do but I really want to talk about the Stonewards because the stuff they do is going to be very visually interesting. 2
Gray to he/him Posted March 6, 2019 Posted March 6, 2019 As a self-proclaimed Stoneward, I can see Kadash joining the Order considering how passionately he stays true to Vorinism and spars Dalinar over it. Though I dont like him personally, I'd understand if he joined. On 3/4/2019 at 4:04 PM, Karger said: As a side note what do you all think of my theory that Stonewards bond Faithspren? I like that theme, but I dont like the name. It should be more subtle like how Highspren or Cultivationspren dont make it obvious that they're attracted to obeying laws and remembering others. Correct me if I'm wrong, but arent the Stoneward spren the ones we saw in Shadesmar that look like cracked rock with a light in them? Maybe Earthspren? I'm not that good with names. @Turtle373 Right? Brandon described their powers as what if the whole world was clay to you and you could mold anything. That seems pretty awsome to me
Karger he/him Posted March 6, 2019 Author Posted March 6, 2019 (edited) Cultivationspren in my opinion like to help things grow even the little and overlooked. Highspren care about maintaining order. I personaly don't think that earthspren sound vary good but we will see. Edited March 20, 2019 by Karger
Calderis he/him Posted March 6, 2019 Posted March 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, Gray to said: Correct me if I'm wrong, but arent the Stoneward spren the ones we saw in Shadesmar that look like cracked rock with a light in them? Maybe Earthspren? I'm not that good with names. This is correct. We have confirmation of that, just not their name. Quote Pagerunner [PENDING REVIEW] The cracked stone spren that we saw, we didn't get a name for them, are they the Stoneward spren? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] Yes- Oh wait, yes. Pagerunner [PENDING REVIEW] Do they have a name you can canonize right now? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] No, I don't. JordanCon 2018 (April 22, 2018) As far as "Faithspren" goes... They seem more in line with Tenacity and resilience from what we've heard. Why faith specifically? 1
Mage of Lirigon he/him Posted March 6, 2019 Posted March 6, 2019 (edited) I like the idea very much. Kadash would be an excellent pick for a Stoneward. I had thought before that he and maybe some others of Dalinar's ardents would resume taking care of Taln, so that seems like a good springboard. It also brings up a question : the Stoneward spren seemed to like humans in Oathbringer, so I wonder if they're actively recruiting Radiants? Edited March 6, 2019 by Mage of Lirigon
Karger he/him Posted March 6, 2019 Author Posted March 6, 2019 12 hours ago, Calderis said: As far as "Faithspren" goes... They seem more in line with Tenacity and resilience from what we've heard. Why faith specifically? Because tenacity is not an ideal that one can strive to not like honor, high justice, understanding of secrets, or to logical knowledge.
Calderis he/him Posted March 6, 2019 Posted March 6, 2019 11 minutes ago, Karger said: Because tenacity is not an ideal that one can strive to not like honor, high justice, understanding of secrets, or to logical knowledge. That... Doesn't seem to be how the names work. Ashspren for Dustbringer. Lightspren for Willshaper. Cultivationspren for Edgedancer. Inkspren for Elsecallers. The names of the spren are not typically an ideal.
Quantus he/him Posted March 6, 2019 Posted March 6, 2019 13 hours ago, Calderis said: This is correct. We have confirmation of that, just not their name. As far as "Faithspren" goes... They seem more in line with Tenacity and resilience from what we've heard. Why faith specifically? Take a half-step to the side and call them "Fidelity-spren"? Personally I lean toward them being something about consistency, tenacity, and/or continuation. Something like Resolve-spren, Stoicspren, or Preservationspren (which would be particularly interesting for wider cosmere reasons). But there's at least as much chance that they are going to be a little more subtle and abstract than those in the same way that Inkspren and Cryptics/Liespren/Truthspren. Not to mention all the opportunity for philosophic debate with "Honorspren"
Karger he/him Posted March 6, 2019 Author Posted March 6, 2019 As a side not any ideas what truethwatchers bond?
Turtle373 he/him Posted March 6, 2019 Posted March 6, 2019 (edited) I like the sound of stoicspren, and stubbornspren, though it is a bit long. I think they might be named after their appearance, because there seems to be two patterns for naming, they are either named after an ideal, not the best word for it but can't think of anything else, such as honorspren, highspren, cultivationspren. The other pattern is they are named after their appearance, ashspren, inkspren, lightspren. So based off of appearance they could be named things like stonespren, moltenspren, these sound less likely but are still an option. 6 minutes ago, Karger said: As a side not any ideas what truethwatchers bond? they bond lightspren, aka reachers Edited March 6, 2019 by Turtle373
Calderis he/him Posted March 6, 2019 Posted March 6, 2019 8 minutes ago, Turtle373 said: they bond lightspren, aka reachers The Reachers are the Willshaper spren. It is implied through the things that Ico and Timbre said that Ico is Timbres father. We don't know what Truthwatcher spren look like in the Cognitive or what their name is.
Inky Posted March 6, 2019 Posted March 6, 2019 Truthwatcher and Stoneward spren are the ones we're missing the names of, I think. We have all the others (besides Bondsmith spren which don't really have a unifying name)
Turtle373 he/him Posted March 7, 2019 Posted March 7, 2019 23 hours ago, Calderis said: The Reachers are the Willshaper spren. It is implied through the things that Ico and Timbre said that Ico is Timbres father. We don't know what Truthwatcher spren look like in the Cognitive or what their name is. yep, sorry I misread the question
Karger he/him Posted March 20, 2019 Author Posted March 20, 2019 On 3/6/2019 at 10:07 AM, Calderis said: Ashspren for Dustbringer. Lightspren for Willshaper. Cultivationspren for Edgedancer. Inkspren for Elsecallers. Alternate names Ash is a sign of destruction but also rebirth perhaps rejuvenationspren? Perhaps Lightspren bring some kind of enlightenment? I think newspren would be a good alternate name. Cultivationspren are about helping others grow that is actually pretty strait forward. Inkspren in our world would probably be called Dataspren but because Rosharans store all of their information on paper... This is my interpretation.
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