Why didn't Odium trigger the everstorm before?

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5 minutes ago, Luinedhel said:

Maybe that only accounts for the madness that the heralds are currently suffering.

Pretty sure the weakness is accounting for the fact that they literally turned on their own and rejected the Oathpact, in much the same way Kaladin's bond did during that whole segment in Words of Radiance.

[Luinedhel he/him]

Just now, Invocation said:

Pretty sure the weakness is accounting for the fact that they literally turned on their own and rejected the Oathpact, in much the same way Kaladin's bond did during that whole segment in Words of Radiance.

That's the reason of the weakness, not what the weakness consist of. I meant, maybe the heralds going mad was the result of a weakening of the oathpact.

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Just now, Luinedhel said:

That's the reason of the weakness, not what the weakness consist of. I meant, maybe the heralds going mad was the result of a weakening of the oathpact.

Oh I get it now. My bad, I misunderstood what you were talking about.

That might be part of why they're going crazy, but it's also possibly the guilt on top of centuries of torture on top of not sleeping for 4,000 years.

[Luinedhel he/him]

Just now, Invocation said:

Oh I get it now. My bad, I misunderstood what you were talking about.

That might be part of why they're going crazy, but it's also possibly the guilt on top of centuries of torture on top of not sleeping for 4,000 years.

Yeah, probably a combination of all of that.

[Kon-Tiki he/him]

The weakening of the Oathpact is explained as being part of the reason the Fused are reborn every Everstorm and not just returned to Braize after they are killed

EDIT: Though, how the SF could know that when there's never been an Everstorm before is beyond me

Edited January 21, 2019 by Kon-Tiki

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1 minute ago, Kon-Tiki said:

EDIT: Though, how the SF could know that when there's never been an Everstorm before is beyond me

Well, he is Tanavast's Cognitive Shadow stapled to a major chunk of Investiture. He might have some foresight.

[StrikerEZ he/him]

12 hours ago, Luinedhel said:

That's the reason of the weakness, not what the weakness consist of. I meant, maybe the heralds going mad was the result of a weakening of the oathpact.

When the Stormfather was talking about the weakness, he was specifically talking about it in the context of it holding the Fused back from coming to Roshar.

And again, the Everstorm wouldn’t have been able to do what it does now in the past because the Fused used to go to Braize, while now they can just stay in the CR of Roshar

[Luinedhel he/him]

38 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said:

When the Stormfather was talking about the weakness, he was specifically talking about it in the context of it holding the Fused back from coming to Roshar.

And again, the Everstorm wouldn’t have been able to do what it does now in the past because the Fused used to go to Braize, while now they can just stay in the CR of Roshar

Where does the Stormfather say all of this?

[StrikerEZ he/him]

22 minutes ago, Luinedhel said:

Where does the Stormfather say all of this?

Let me go grab the quotes.

*time skip*

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“THEIR OATHPACT DELAYED THE FUSED FROM RETURNING IMMEDIATELY”

And

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“THE OATHPACT HAS BEEN WEAKENED ALMOST TO ANNIHILATION, AND ODIUM HAS CREATED HIS OWN STORM. THE FUSED DO NOT RETURN TO DAMNATION WHEN KILLED. THEY ARE REBORN IN THE NEXT EVERSTORM.”

To me, this clearly says that the Everstorm wouldn’t have worked in previous Desolations because the Oathpact was in place, sending the Fused back to Braize once they died. But now that the Oathpact is weakened, the Everstorm can serve as a gateway for the Fused to hop back onto Roshar right after they die.

[galendo]

14 hours ago, Kon-Tiki said:

Stormform is not new

Though this is still somewhat nitpicking, I'm not sure that the stanza you cited is evidence that Stormform existed previously.  In almost all the other stanzas, there is a firm statement (in the form of the past-tense) that the form existed before.  The stanza on stormform is much more speculative and cautionary:

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Stormform is said to cause
A tempest of winds and showers,
Beware its powers, beware its powers.
Though its coming brings the gods their night,
It obliges a bloodred spren.
Beware its end, beware its end.

Let's compare that to some of the other stanzas:

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"Warform is worn for battle and reign, / Claimed by the gods, given to kill. / Unknown, unseen, but vital to gain. / It comes to those with the will."

"Nimbleform has a delicate touch. / Gave the gods this form to many, / Tho’ once defied, by the gods they were crushed. / This form craves precision and plenty."

"Mediationform made for peace, it’s said. / Form of teaching and consolation. / When used by the gods, it became instead / Form of lies and desolation."

"Nightform predicting what will be, / The form of shadows, mind to foresee. / As the gods did leave, the nightform whispered. / A new storm will come, someday to break. / A new storm a new world to make. / A new storm a new path to take, the nightform listens."

So I would hesitate to claim with certainty that stormform existed previously based on that one stanza.  It seems more a warning against what will happen if they take on stormform than it does a record of what happened before.  (Note that, as the nightform stanza suggests, the old Parshendi might have known the consequences of stormform without it existing at the time.)