Jasield Posted September 1, 2011 Posted September 1, 2011 Alright read the sample chapters and one thing kinda stood out was that supposedly there are no more full blown mistborn. Any ideas on why this is?
Arcanist Lupus he/him Posted September 1, 2011 Posted September 1, 2011 Allomancy has been diluted over the past 300 years, to the point where there are no longer any full Mistborns. 1
KChan she/her Posted September 1, 2011 Posted September 1, 2011 Allomancy has been diluted over the past 300 years, to the point where there are no longer any full Mistborns. This. Though it seems to still be technically possible - remember, it's been mentioned one of the potential plots for a modern Mistborn book/trilogy/RPG centered around a Mistborn serial killer - it's been diluted to the point that it's considered impossible by the general populace. The same goes with Feruchemy; instead of full Keepers, we now have Ferings.
darniil he/him Posted September 1, 2011 Posted September 1, 2011 Is it Chemmings? I thought I read Peter saying it was Ferrings. *shrug* Whichever. I'm cool with either. Also, what KChan said. Personally, I tend to perceive the high frequency of Mistborn during the Final Empire as a blip in the overall history of Scadrial, due to the Lord Ruler's artificial introduction of that degree of intensity of allomancy to the populace.
happyman he/him Posted September 1, 2011 Posted September 1, 2011 Is it Chemmings? I thought I read Peter saying it was Ferrings. *shrug* Whichever. I'm cool with either. Also, what KChan said. Personally, I tend to perceive the high frequency of Mistborn during the Final Empire as a blip in the overall history of Scadrial, due to the Lord Ruler's artificial introduction of that degree of intensity of allomancy to the populace. This. Because the Lord Ruler gave Lerasium directly to the nobility, Mistborn became far more common than they would have been without it. Without Lerasium, full Mistborn can still occur, but it's much, much rarer. Allomancy usually manifests itself as Mistings. On a side note, I suppose that full Feruchemists occurred more naturally (at least in the Terris population) because balance between Ruin and Preservation is a more natural state for inhabitants of Scandrial than leaning to one or the other. Because preservation is part of their soul, though, Allomancy would still be more common than Hemalurgy, which is probably why it took TLR to introduce any practical uses of Hemalurgy.
TheBobs he/him Posted September 1, 2011 Posted September 1, 2011 Ferrings were diluted from Feruchemists I believe because they started to breed with the non Terris population. I'd imagine that might be the same with Allomancers. Could this mean that we could have breeding programs to recreate Mistborn? A few generations of Mistings having kids with other Mistings . . . and boom . . .Mistborn serial killer!
Arcanist Lupus he/him Posted September 1, 2011 Posted September 1, 2011 Also note that even during the Final Empire, Mistborn were extremely rare.
darniil he/him Posted September 1, 2011 Posted September 1, 2011 I have the impression that Mistborn were much more common in the early generations after the ascension of the Lord Ruler, but I can't find any solid evidence of that. I could be wrong, I guess.
Eerongal he/him Posted September 1, 2011 Posted September 1, 2011 I have the impression that Mistborn were much more common in the early generations after the ascension of the Lord Ruler, but I can't find any solid evidence of that. I could be wrong, I guess. IIRC when TLR ascended he had several beads of Lerasium which he gave to his supporters, which is what later became the aristocracy, so it's pretty safe to say that most, if not all, of the original nobility members were likely mistborn. I could be misremembering this, though, it's been a while, can anyone else confirm?
KChan she/her Posted September 1, 2011 Posted September 1, 2011 This is correct, Eero. I forget the exact number, but the Lord Ruler gave beads of lerasium to his original supporters, making them full-power Mistborn and giving Allomancy to the nobility. This is why there were so many Mistborn in the early days of the Final Empire. As the noble population grew and the bloodlines got diluted, Allomancy began to fracture again, making Mistings more common than full Mistborn, and Allomancers as a whole became increasingly rare.
Joe ST he/him Posted September 2, 2011 Posted September 2, 2011 According to this thread there was 9 other Mistborn.
TheBobs he/him Posted September 2, 2011 Posted September 2, 2011 According to this thread there was 9 other Mistborn. And that thread implies that there is at least one more bead out there. Unless things have changed since then.
Arcanist Lupus he/him Posted September 2, 2011 Posted September 2, 2011 And that thread implies that there is at least one more bead out there. Unless things have changed since then. I would guess that there were 16 beads total. That's a lot of missing beads. 1
KChan she/her Posted September 2, 2011 Posted September 2, 2011 I agree; I think 16 is the best guess on an actual number. It'll be interesting to see if/when/where these beads show up again.
darniil he/him Posted September 3, 2011 Posted September 3, 2011 Do we have any ideas why there would be so few beads of lerasium yet so many beads of atium?
Arcanist Lupus he/him Posted September 3, 2011 Posted September 3, 2011 Do we have any ideas why there would be so few beads of lerasium yet so many beads of atium? I think it was because Atium was concentrated in solid form, whereas Lerasium was found in the mists, in the pool, and in the beads. 1
Silus - Shard of Flame he/him Posted September 3, 2011 Posted September 3, 2011 It's because Preservation scooped off enough of Ruin's power to make them even after Preservation put chunks of his power into people. There would have to be a bunch of it. The mists are what was left of Preservation's body after Leras used the power of his mind to create the Well of Ascension, which is not actually part of the full body of Preservation. It is of Preservation because Leras had been absorbed by his Shard's Intent, but not part of the body.
Emeralis00 she/her Posted September 13, 2011 Posted September 13, 2011 One other thing, before the Lord Ruler ascended, Mistborn were a myth and it wasn't until Lerasium was introduced that they got mistborn again. The current lack of Mistborn is the normal state of Allomancy.
Silus - Shard of Flame he/him Posted September 13, 2011 Posted September 13, 2011 I'm pretty sure they didn't even have myths about Mistborn before the Ascension. Allomancy was just that rare.
Emeralis00 she/her Posted September 13, 2011 Posted September 13, 2011 I'm pretty sure they didn't even have myths about Mistborn before the Ascension. Allomancy was just that rare. That seems more likely.
Emere Posted September 14, 2011 Posted September 14, 2011 I'm pretty sure they didn't even have myths about Mistborn before the Ascension. Allomancy was just that rare. I thought that Feruchemy was the only metal system before the ascension but it does make sense that it was around before. Does that mean there could have been twinborn before the ascension as well?
darniil he/him Posted September 14, 2011 Posted September 14, 2011 I thought that Feruchemy was the only metal system before the ascension but it does make sense that it was around before. Does that mean there could have been twinborn before the ascension as well? Doubtful. The Terris people, according to Alendi's notes, seemed to be pretty insular, living their own lives and dealing with outsiders only when they came to visit. I would honestly be surprised if there were any interbreeding between people from Terris and other lands. And we know that allomancy existed before the Lord Ruler, as Alendi was a Seeker.
Joe ST he/him Posted September 14, 2011 Posted September 14, 2011 Doubtful. The Terris people, according to Alendi's notes, seemed to be pretty insular, living their own lives and dealing with outsiders only when they came to visit. I would honestly be surprised if there were any interbreeding between people from Terris and other lands. And we know that allomancy existed before the Lord Ruler, as Alendi was a Seeker. His seeking might have been a recent snapping thanks to the Deepness, and no matter how insular they were, it's inevitable that you get interbreeding. Love knows no bounds after all
darniil he/him Posted September 14, 2011 Posted September 14, 2011 His seeking might have been a recent snapping thanks to the Deepness, and no matter how insular they were, it's inevitable that you get interbreeding. Love knows no bounds after all True, about the love thing. Though any "halfbreeds" pre-Final Empire would be incredibly rare compared to the number of them post-Final Empire. Re. the Deepness Snapping Alendi, that's an interesting thought, but brings other things to mind. If Alendi was the first allomancer, the predisposition for allomancy would still have had to exist (though dormant) in humanity beforehand, otherwise Ruin wouldn't have been able to engineer the events that eventually led to Alendi making his way to the Well of Ascension. (Rashek, of course, was not part of Ruin's plan. Since Preservation seems to have had better prescience than Ruin, Rashek was probably not just a wild card. Or, rather, his uncle; Kwaan was probably part of Preservation's plan, and we all know what Kwaan ended up doing.) And then Ruin would also have had to know that Alendi was a Bronze Misting, too, or else he would have failed by setting Alendi up for all that. I think it's simpler to assume that Mistings had been around for a while before Alendi, as that would have allowed Ruin to plan things out more easily. (We know that Ruin was very patient and very calculating.)
Arcanist Lupus he/him Posted September 14, 2011 Posted September 14, 2011 I'm pretty sure that Preservation was grooming Alendi the same way she groomed Vin to take her power. I'm not sure what this means with regards to the current question, though.
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