Aonic Plate Armour

[Darth Woodrack he/him]

If you left it on the outside and left a modifier that made it form, say, a millimeter away from the armor, you could just move around with no problem, if it was based on the outside4 of the armor.

[The Grumpy Elantrian he/him]

6 hours ago, Calderis said:

That's the entire problem. Aon Edo doesn't move. It stops everything. Including Physical motion. Which would include the armor itself. 

The thing is, we aren't saying to use the Aon on the entire set of armour, but instead if you could somehow use modifiers to have each plate of the armour have its own forcefield shaped to fit it. That way, as each plate moves individually then it should move with it. 

I see this being possible because if it stopped all movement then as soon as Raoden cast it shouldn't Sel have stopped orbiting its star and cause chaos? It was essentially attached to the ground but still moved through space on Sel, so essentially the same thing is being suggested here but on plates of steel not a planet. 

[Calderis he/him]

55 minutes ago, The Grumpy Elantrian said:

The thing is, we aren't saying to use the Aon on the entire set of armour, but instead if you could somehow use modifiers to have each plate of the armour have its own forcefield shaped to fit it. That way, as each plate moves individually then it should move with it. 

I get what your saying. And I mean, yes it's possible. Technically by what we've seen, with enough knowledge, time, and preparation, AonDor is capable of damnation near anything. 

My issue is that it's going to be far more complicated than I think you guys are putting forward. You need modifier and/or chained Aons to make the Edo field shape itself to each individual piece of the armor, which would most likely need to be customized to each individual piece. And then you'd need the ability to make it mobile... 

59 minutes ago, The Grumpy Elantrian said:

I see this being possible because if it stopped all movement then as soon as Raoden cast it shouldn't Sel have stopped orbiting its star and cause chaos? It was essentially attached to the ground but still moved through space on Sel, so essentially the same thing is being suggested here but on plates of steel not a planet. 

No, the planetary motion really shouldn't matter. Sel's magic is regionally locked and doesn't function outside the planet at all. Most magics are tied to the Cognitive anyway, and it would be tied to the same location cognitively. Plus you have the perception aspect of it. 

This is no different than a time bubble anchoring itself to a spot, or spanreeds failing to incorporate planetary movement into their transmission.

Anither consideration, is if you are not ncased in this Edo armor, what does this do to your ability to draw Aons? 

[Yata he/him]

Also if the protection is ancorate to a specific object instead of the space itself.

I assume the object could be unbreakable but you would still suffer the pushes and be repositionable by outside forces.

A last note, the statement about Aons be indipentant by their physical medium's condition is something he arose from the limited perception of Elantrians as only magic users on Sel.

I assume every invested stuff would be able to disrupt the Aon if the comes in contact.

[SirWatermelon]

On 10/2/2018 at 6:13 AM, Quantus said:

Should work, and would be a cool application.  You'd want to inscribe the Aon on the inside surface if possible, so that it cannot take physical damage and have the symbol broken. 

In the book it mentions that you could incrib an aon in dust, and it would work long after it had been blown away.

[SirWatermelon]

Also you could inscribe healing aons on the inside of your armor to heal you when you take a hit.

Or on rubber tiped arrows, to shoot near injured allies.

Possibly consider having a sack filled with aons inscribed on paper, so you can activate them without taking the time to write them mid battle

[Quantus he/him]

36 minutes ago, RubyHoid__11 said:

In the book it mentions that you could incrib an aon in dust, and it would work long after it had been blown away.

According to my father that's because you are leaving tiny scratches in the surface ("so dammit boy stop drawing in the dust on the car window!").  

Seriously though, I could see how it would work after the dust were blown away, but likely not if another line were scribed across it, at least based on the the chasm-line issue.

[SirWatermelon]

1 minute ago, Quantus said:

According to my father that's because you are leaving tiny scratches in the surface ("so dammit boy stop drawing in the dust on the car window!").  

Seriously though, I could see how it would work after the dust were blown away, but likely not if another line were scribed across it, at least based on the the chasm-line issue.

That's a fair point. You would have to keep it from getting scratched. So maybe if you had a protective layer of metal over it, or just put it inside the armor.

[SwordNimiForPresident the sword/that sword]

Just skip the armor and inscribe the Aons on your skin. Also, much earlier in the post there was a discussion about bonding Seons like Spren. Isn't that already what happens?

Edited January 22, 2019 by SwordNimiForPresident

[Quantus he/him]

12 hours ago, SwordNimiForPresident said:

Just skip the armor and inscribe the Aons on your skin. Also, much earlier in the post there was a discussion about bonding Seons like Spren. Isn't that already what happens?

It's very similar, though it's described more as a bond based on Love rather than Oaths and/or obligation.  I suspect that since they do not have the more formalized process of speaking Ideals to strengthen the bond in stages they will not merge souls to quite the extent that Radiants and Spren do. It's  possibly closer in degree to the Honorblade bond that specifically is less efficient because it's a lighter/shallower bond, which (like Seons) can be far more easily passed from person to person. Also the seon Bond itself doesnt actually grant either part any specific powers, unlike Radiant spren that rely on it to manifest in the Physical Realm as sentient creatures, and grant Surges in return.

[Lidolas he/him]

On 1/21/2019 at 5:05 PM, SwordNimiForPresident said:

Just skip the armor and inscribe the Aons on your skin. Also, much earlier in the post there was a discussion about bonding Seons like Spren. Isn't that already what happens?

If I ever become an Elantrian, I'm opening a tattoo parlor!  

[Quantus he/him]

Hopping back to the Aon Edo mobility issue, it specifically draws an increasing amount of Dor to resist whatever is pushing on it equal&opposite, in a reactive sort of way. If I were trying to accomplish this sort of thing in a circuit or programming domain, Id try to key off that function and add some sort of activation threshold, such that smaller forces (in the range of movement and non-damaging contact) wouldnt trigger the reactive forces. The result would be similar to the personal shields of the Dune series, though shaping it to be something other than a wall or maybe spherical bubble would be a whole other hurdle.  That or perhaps try to see if you can restrict it's reaction to forces from without the bubble and ignore those originating within, though without experimentation it's hard to say if that would let you move the Aon itself or just leave you with an immobile, one-directional wall.

A simpler implementation would probably be a basic activation switch on the back of a roman-style shield, which would would be amazing for shield-wall tactics where you want it to be immobile in all but short burst of advancement for the phalanx. 

EDIT:  This is of course making a lot of assumptions on the nature and limitations of Aon modifiers, but I think it would be within the realm of know modifer functions (linking, chaining, power modulation, range modulation)

Edited January 23, 2019 by Quantus

[Stormgate he/him]

I'm just looking over the post, and it's clear that our 17th Shard would be very OP in the cosmere.

 

As far as the Aon shields, I see no reason for Aon body armor to be a thing, with enough modifiers. In fact, in-book evidence supports the possibility, what with the healing Aon able to grow hair back. It's far from the craziest thing ever.

I saw some comments about these Aons being anti-Shardblade, I think it would function similar to the half-shards. By nature, the Shardblades are Invested, they're not just super-sharp blades. And anything that is Invested will provide some resistance to it, to varying extents. With a lot of Aons, it could be Shard-blade proof, but it would take some doing.

[Darth Woodrack he/him]

13 minutes ago, Stormgate said:

I'm just looking over the post, and it's clear that our 17th Shard would be very OP in the cosmere.

*alleyverse*

13 minutes ago, Stormgate said:

I saw some comments about these Aons being anti-Shardblade, I think it would function similar to the half-shards. By nature, the Shardblades are Invested, they're not just super-sharp blades. And anything that is Invested will provide some resistance to it, to varying extents. With a lot of Aons, it could be Shard-blade proof, but it would take some doing.

No it wouldn't. It would take the number of aons that have been proposed. Shardblades are blocked by investiture, they don't stop investiture.

[Karger he/him]

On 11/8/2018 at 10:49 PM, Darth Woodrack said:

What if you did this to shardplate?

I don't think you can.  Mixing investiture is a bit tricky.

 

On 11/8/2018 at 11:38 PM, Calderis said:

I think it would be possible... But not in any way simple. 

It would just be like programing.  You need an if statement.  If something approaches at speed greater then x push on it with force x*y.  Should not be too hard.