Kobold King he/him Posted May 8, 2014 Posted May 8, 2014 Or would it in fact negate the Thrill? I would assume Nergaoul is a more powerful Invester than a Soother, Rioter, or Mistborn.
Pathfinder Posted May 8, 2014 Posted May 8, 2014 (edited) I would assume Nergaoul is a more powerful Invester than a Soother, Rioter, or Mistborn. That is assuming we know how the Thrill functions. I have not seen anything on the board that does say this, so if there is please link me so I can learn more . If not, then you are assuming it is an active force being enacted by that unmade instead of maybe just a byproduct of its existence. In other words, that it has to actively focus on each individual that is in combat to cause the thrill. And apparently a shattered honor is more invested if the process of bonding to a spren can start to disrupt it. edit: also consider if the manifestation is what you consider investiture, then wouldn't the rioting and soothing count as investiture from preservation? So it would be preservation vs nergaoul, not just the mistborn/rioter/soother. Now all these thoughts are prefaces on logic based on the limited information I have on the subject. If there is additional information to counter these points, then I bow to greater knowledge lol Edited May 8, 2014 by P4thf1nd3r
PorridgeBrick he/him Posted May 8, 2014 Posted May 8, 2014 I would assume Nergaoul is a more powerful Invester than a Soother, Rioter, or Mistborn. But Nergaoul is affecting enormous numbers of people spread over half a continent. No matter how powerful he is, that power is spread pretty thin.
Jo and the Bush all/any Posted May 8, 2014 Posted May 8, 2014 Did Adolin every feel the Thrill during a Duel? I think that Nergaoul just focuses on battles.
jag519 he/him Posted May 8, 2014 Posted May 8, 2014 Wait, do we know more about the thrill than I thought? What is Nergaoul? I personally always thought it was from Odium, him trying to make both sides more likely to kill each other and making the listeners more likely to call on the old powers.
BreathTaker he/him Posted May 8, 2014 Posted May 8, 2014 What if Kel flared Pewter and used Atium while wielding a spear or a mace or something? We've seen Kaladin defeat Shardbearers in this manner before while Invested and it's basically the same idea, fast reflexes, increased strength, more focus.
Shaggai Posted May 8, 2014 Posted May 8, 2014 What if Kel flared Pewter and used Atium while wielding a spear or a mace or something? We've seen Kaladin defeat Shardbearers in this manner before while Invested and it's basically the same idea, fast reflexes, increased strength, more focus. Kelsier generally doesn't use spears or maces. He tends to rely on coins, with glass daggers as backup. Spears and maces have metal in them.
Jo and the Bush all/any Posted May 8, 2014 Posted May 8, 2014 From what I understand, Neragaoul is one of the Unmade. He works for Odium I think? There's another one in charge of the Death Rattles. I don't really understand what the unmade are though.
BreathTaker he/him Posted May 8, 2014 Posted May 8, 2014 (edited) Kelsier generally doesn't use spears or maces. He tends to rely on coins, with glass daggers as backup. Spears and maces have metal in them. If they are fighting on the plains he could grab a rock and use it to bash the Shardplate. One thing you have to remember about Kelsier, he's resourceful. He will use any advantage he can get. Edited May 8, 2014 by BreathTaker
Shaggai Posted May 8, 2014 Posted May 8, 2014 From what I understand, Neragaoul is one of the Unmade. He works for Odium I think? There's another one in charge of the Death Rattles. I don't really understand what the unmade are though.It's been heavily implied that they are the Parshendi gods, who were Parshendi a long, long time ago and took on huge amounts of the power of Odium in order to destroy humanity. They probably have some relation to the various Voidforms, and each one has its own power. Moelach uses death to foresee the future, Nergaoul causes the Thrill, Re-Shephir makes Midnight Essence, etc.
jag519 he/him Posted May 9, 2014 Posted May 9, 2014 Is this from WoB or was I REALLY missing something? I only vaguely remember Unmade talks, and don't remember any names of them. I only had one read of the WoR, and I'm in a re-read of WoK followed by WoR now, so maybe just one read-through I missed a lot... lol. But back to the physical fight, I'd expect a normal rock to break before the plate, I'd go for his coins and swords and metals from fallen soldiers who would bound to be around.
Fifth of Daybreak he/him Posted May 9, 2014 Posted May 9, 2014 Is this from WoB or was I REALLY missing something? I only vaguely remember Unmade talks, and don't remember any names of them. I only had one read of the WoR, and I'm in a re-read of WoK followed by WoR now, so maybe just one read-through I missed a lot... lol. But back to the physical fight, I'd expect a normal rock to break before the plate, I'd go for his coins and swords and metals from fallen soldiers who would bound to be around. Reread the Taravangian interlude from WoR 1
Firiel she/her Posted May 20, 2014 Posted May 20, 2014 So, the Shattered Plains. Is this during the Vengeance Pact era? Because the floors of the canyons would be littered with metal stuff with much more mass than coins. What if Kelsier could Pull a fallen warrior's shield (or even a shardhammar, though find one of those would be unlikely at best) up and then Push it at Dalinar? I agree that a coin is unlikely to penetrate Shardplate and that the bigger danger comes from the cracks it could create. But what if Kelsier were pushing something far heavier at him? That would be much more likely to cause significant damage with a single hit, right? But then, it also may be easier to dodge.
jag519 he/him Posted May 22, 2014 Posted May 22, 2014 Yeah, thats what I said before, he'd have weapons and armor all around to pretty much throw people and things around, and fly around and stuff. It would be similar to when he fought the inquisitor with the cages and everything.
Laughing Fool he/him Posted May 22, 2014 Posted May 22, 2014 (edited) Dalinar wins, hands down. Combat would begin, both opponents would recognize that the other had access to unknown magics, so they would feel each other out. Kelsier would drop a coin and push himself into the air and then... ..."I claim the skies!" would be the last thing Kelsier ever heard as an angry Kaladin, valuing his obligation to protect Dalinar over his obligation to respect the rules of the cage match, tore through him like a Highstorm. Edited May 22, 2014 by Weeping Liar
Shaggai Posted May 22, 2014 Posted May 22, 2014 Dalinar wins, hands down. Combat would begin, both opponents would recognize that the other had access to unknown magics, so they would feel each other out. Kelsier would drop a coin and push himself into the air and then... ..."I claim the skies!" would be the last thing Kelsier ever heard as an angry Kaladin, valuing his obligation to protect Dalinar over his obligation to respect the rules of the cage match, tore through him like a Highstorm. This is Dalinar in the first book, with a Shardblade. So he has no Kaladin. 1
jag519 he/him Posted May 26, 2014 Posted May 26, 2014 Also, he woud sense the stormlight like burning metal and know Kal is there. Since it is a 1 on 1 fight. we'll say he'd run. Then he'd come back later and instead of fight he'd kill one in his sleep.
☫Kelsier☫ he/him Posted March 21, 2017 Posted March 21, 2017 Okay. I you might think I'm biased (Hence the name), but I'm actually not (I think), Dalinar in my favourite character from The Stormlight Archive. Anyways, It's pretty tough. Here's a brief comparison. Dalinar: •Has Shardplate •Has Shardblade •High endurance and stamina (what's up with all the points starting in 'H' anyway?) •High strength •He is the BLACKTHORN people, I mean he United Alekthar with SHEER BRUTE FORCE. Kelsier: •Crazy good with Iron and Steel •Okay with Brass and Zinc •High speed and agility •Proficient at Pewter dragging and daggers •Pretty smart(That rebellion plot was AMAZING!) •Killed an Inquisitor the 'hard way' on an open field (or city square, same thing) where he's at a disadvantage •He can sort of fly (ish) Analysis: Dalinar wins in close combat, as Shardblade is OHKO In the Shattered Plains, Kell has the advantage because of the terrain Duralumin + Pewter/Zinc/Brass = OP Dalinar has superb endurance Coins shot repeatedly will break the shardplate Broken shardplate is BAD as it weighs you down (like at the tower) Shardblade is flippingWEIGHTLESS and SIX FEET LONG I mean come on. Really? Op much? Conclusion: On the Shattered plains, I think Kelsier would win because he can easily use the chasms to his advantage and pepper Dalinar with coins (or his plate). And duralumin… Also, if Kell can control a Chasmfiend to attack Dalinar, GG. But this is just my opinion. Contradictions welcome! Plus Dalinar would definitely win if they fought in the City Square. 1
Alendi Posted March 22, 2017 Posted March 22, 2017 On March 20, 2017 at 8:06 PM, ☫Kelsier☫ said: Okay. I you might think I'm biased (Hence the name), but I'm actually not (I think), Dalinar in my favourite character from The Stormlight Archive. Anyways, It's pretty tough. Here's a brief comparison. Dalinar: •Has Shardplate •Has Shardblade •High endurance and stamina (what's up with all the points starting in 'H' anyway?) •High strength •He is the BLACKTHORN people, I mean he United Alekthar with SHEER BRUTE FORCE. Kelsier: •Crazy good with Iron and Steel •Okay with Brass and Zinc •High speed and agility •Proficient at Pewter dragging and daggers •Pretty smart(That rebellion plot was AMAZING!) •Killed an Inquisitor the 'hard way' on an open field (or city square, same thing) where he's at a disadvantage •He can sort of fly (ish) Analysis: Dalinar wins in close combat, as Shardblade is OHKO In the Shattered Plains, Kell has the advantage because of the terrain Duralumin + Pewter/Zinc/Brass = OP Dalinar has superb endurance Coins shot repeatedly will break the shardplate Broken shardplate is BAD as it weighs you down (like at the tower) Shardblade is flippingWEIGHTLESS and SIX FEET LONG I mean come on. Really? Op much? Conclusion: On the Shattered plains, I think Kelsier would win because he can easily use the chasms to his advantage and pepper Dalinar with coins (or his plate). And duralumin… Also, if Kell can control a Chasmfiend to attack Dalinar, GG. But this is just my opinion. Contradictions welcome! Plus Dalinar would definitely win if they fought in the City Square. I think that Dalinar will win because the shard blade is a one hit weapon.
StormyQueen she/her Posted March 26, 2017 Posted March 26, 2017 On 23/03/2017 at 7:55 AM, Alendi said: I think that Dalinar will win because the shard blade is a one hit weapon. But will Dalinar be able to even hit Kel? He could just throw a coin down and just keep jumping through the air where even with Shardplate assisted jumps, Dalinar won't be blue to get him. From there he can just use his coins to penetrate Dalinar's shardplate. Kelsier is very precise with his coins so he'd probably be able to pierce the shardplate, and as has been said before, it becomes much heavier when it is broken.
Elenion he/him Posted March 26, 2017 Posted March 26, 2017 I think Kelsier would win out of sheer intelligence. He would know that Dalinar's reach is limited to where he can jump to, and would use that to his advantage. Kelsier can also replenish his ammunition using Iron, and Atium would even allow him to engage Dalinar at close range which minimal danger. Dalinar wouldn't drop quickly, though. Another thing to consider is honor. Dalinar would fight fair, while Kelsier would use every advantage he could get. So while Dalinar is a daunting combatant, I think Kelsier could beat him using intelligence and underhanded tactics.
Farnsworth Posted March 27, 2017 Posted March 27, 2017 Here is my analisis of how it would go: 1: Kelseir tries to shoot Dalinar in the air with his plate, but can't because it's too invested 2: Dalinar runs forward 3: Kelseir shoots Dalinar's eye with a coin between his eyeslot, it hurts like hell 4: Dalinar runs forward 5: Kelseir shoots himself upward with a coin, is right above Dalinar 6: Dalinar grabs Kelsier and stabs him with his Shardblade 7: Kelseir dies I mean come on people! It's a freaking shardblade! It is among the most powerful weapons in the cosmere! Also, Dalinar has the stormfather now, so he could just shoot lighting on Kelseir.
kenod Posted March 28, 2017 Posted March 28, 2017 On 27/03/2017 at 2:59 AM, Figberts said: I mean come on people! It's a freaking shardblade! It is among the most powerful weapons in the cosmere! Also, Dalinar has the stormfather now, so he could just shoot lighting on Kelseir. The argument that he has the stormfather immediately makes the points about shards moot, as the stormfather doesn't allow him to use them.
Farnsworth Posted March 28, 2017 Posted March 28, 2017 He can't use the stormfather as a blade, but he can still use him for other stuff, right?
+Extesian he/him Posted March 28, 2017 Posted March 28, 2017 26 minutes ago, Figberts said: He can't use the stormfather as a blade, but he can still use him for other stuff, right? There's this old one that makes me think Bondsmiths can cause serious trouble Quote KHYRINDOR Are there Surges that could be considered as God Surges, like the God metals on Scadrial? BRANDON SANDERSON (PARAPHRASED) Yes. KHYRINDOR Progression and Adhesion, perhaps? BRANDON SANDERSON (PARAPHRASED) No, but they could be considered as such.
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