Idea on notices (quotes)

[Thurin he/him]

There's one thing I like in particular about the Tolkiengateway wiki, and that's the use of in-world quotes for notices, like in the image below.

Wouldn't it be nice if we did something similar?

They use the notices mainly for editors, while we use them mostly for the readers.
I found 3 notices that are used commonly (not including the "This page is part of the August 2018 objectives!" notice, since that one is directed to the editors and not to the readers), but there are a few more of them. See https://coppermind.net/wiki/Category:Notices for a complete list.

These are the notices I was thinking of, with a quote I had in mind:

1. This page or section contains spoilers for ...!
"Be wary of anyone who claims to be able to see the future." - Hoid
(Not sure if this is the exact quote, I'm on vacation without my Oathbringer copy currently)

2. This page or section deals with theory or speculation.
"I only tell stories, Your Grace. They may be truths, they may be fictions. All I know is that the stories themselves exist and that I must tell them." - Hoid
(In abbreviated form because this is quite/too long)

3. This page or section needs to be updated with new information for ...!
"There's always another secret" - Kelsier
(We should be able to find a better quote for this one)

Please let me know what you think of this idea, and do some suggestions on which quotes to use, or which notices could use a quote.

Edit: I just saw that only the page on Kelsier does something like this, but that really is an exception

You can share your ideas in this spreadsheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gkh8CndAzDrOkT9raNh7_LeAKvKq0bRBDOdyNye5A4E/edit#gid=0

Edited August 6, 2018 by Thurin

[Chaos he/him]

An excellent idea, and I've definitely seen this on other wikis. I don't know why this didn't occur to me to do on the Coppermind. We will definitely do this.

If anyone has other ideas for quotes for relevant notices, please do post here!

[Jofwu he/him]

I made a spreadsheet which I think will serve to (1) clearly show which templates need a quote and (2) help keep track of ideas.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gkh8CndAzDrOkT9raNh7_LeAKvKq0bRBDOdyNye5A4E/edit#gid=0

[Thurin he/him]

24 minutes ago, Jofwu said:

I made a spreadsheet which I think will serve to (1) clearly show which templates need a quote and (2) help keep track of ideas.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gkh8CndAzDrOkT9raNh7_LeAKvKq0bRBDOdyNye5A4E/edit#gid=0

This helps a lot! I put the link in my first post so it will stay easy to find.

I suggest we give ourselves a few weeks (till the end of this month or so) to think of a few quotes for each notice and then choose the best from what we have collected.

[+Ark1002]

I like this.

[LadyLameness]

Neat idea! I’ll keep an eye out and have a think.

[Ashertliden]

"It feels unfinished - set up haphazardly by refugees fleeing across the ocean, lacking some basic necessities." -Khriss

 

This could work for stub articles

[Thurin he/him]

I've searched for quite a while, but I found one or two decent quote(s) for each notice. I did my best to gather them from as much different series as possible, and to limit it to short quotes. With a little help I came to this result:


No citations:
 "So far, those references are few" - Jasnah (OB, ch. 104)

Copyright:
 "You copy other people's great art" - Gaotona (The Emperor's Soul, day three)

Article to be deleted:
 "Hello, would you like to destroy some evil today?" - Nightblood (WoR, ch. 88)
Or
 "You deserve to be destroyed!" - Dusk (Sixth of the Dusk)

Deleted scenes:
 "I do not anticipate you will see the necessity of an ending" - Ruin (SH, part 4, ch. 4)

Claimed page:
 "I merely stepped up to do a job nobody else was doing" - Vivenna (OB, ch. 93)

Article to be merged:
 "it seemed that they actually belonged to one another" - Kelsier (SH, part 6, ch. 8)

No images:
 "If you could explain something perfectly, then you’d never need art" - Shallan (OB, ch. 29)

Article to be moved:
 "He shouldn't be here" - Raoden (Elantris, ch. 31)

Monthly objective:
 "The timetable is accelerated then" - Elrao (SH, part 5, ch. 2)

No quotes:
 "But you quote them all the time" - Gaotona (The Emperor's Soul, day 76)

(Multi)spoilers:
 "Be wary of anyone who claims to be able to see the future" - Hoid (OB, ch. 68)

Uncanonical theory:
 "They may be truths, they may be fictions. All I know is that the stories themselves exist and that I must tell them" - Hoid (Warbreaker, ch. 32)

Uncanonical title:
 "I’ll address this letter to my “old friend,” as I have no idea what name you’re using currently." - Second Letter (WoR)

Unpublished material:
 "One can believe in a story without believing it happened" - Vstim (OB, I-13)

Article needs updating:
 "There are still stories to tell" - Hoid (OB, ch. 67)

(If we make this notice bigger
Article needs attention:
 "It feels unfinished - set up haphazardly ..." - Khriss (The Threnodite System))


Please give an upvote if you like it so we can keep track of how many people think this a good idea. If there is enough positive reaction we/a Keeper can add this to the wiki. And suggestions are still appreciated!

More quotes can be found in the spreadsheet, but in my opinion 'the ones above' are the best

Edited September 19, 2018 by Thurin

[Jofwu he/him]

I'm trying to work out how the notices will be styled. Adding quotes means the rest of the notice needs to be shortened so that these aren't taking up too much space.

I think I'd prefer "There's always another secret." for Update or Spoilers. Seems like that quote is too iconic not to use it somewhere.

[Thurin he/him]

In that case I'd use "There's always another secret" for Update, just because I like the current quote for Spoilers. I leave the final decision up to you @Jofwu

The easiest way to save vertical space is to set the width of all the notices to 90% (I've tried some percentages, 90% works best because 100% is too much). Currently the width is set to 60% so there's 30% loose space horizontally. In order to do this someone with acces to the source code needs to find this stylesheet css file (link below), and then change the value of 'width' between the brackets of div.notice to 90%.

https://coppermind.net/w/load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=site.styles&only=styles&skin=vector

[BitBitio he/him]

Very, VERY cool. Wow. This is awesome.

[Mistspren she/her]

Another option for articles that need to be updated:

“Sometimes a hypocrite is nothing more than a[n article which] is in the process of changing.” - Dalinar, (OB ch. 28)