Long Game 4: Colours of War

[nard1993]

Good point, he is most likely the safest of us all, but yeah, I agree that putting our eggs in one basket isn't the best move

 

 

EDIT: Also, if we get him to the 10th Heightening, then any Pahn Kahl who gets his breath will be revealed as a Pahn Kahl. I don't see why we shouldn't do this; the advantages outweigh any of the disadvantages by a serious amount.

Don't get me wrong, I really do like this idea, but I think that we are limiting too many people to boost just one. But yes, spare breaths to Aonar is a good idea

[Awesomeness Summoned he/him]

EDIT: Also, if we get him to the 10th Heightening, then any Pahn Kahl who gets his breath will be revealed as a Pahn Kahl. I don't see why we shouldn't do this; the advantages outweigh any of the disadvantages by a serious amount.

I'd agree with that and getting him to the 10th would be a major benefit as well because he'd have the protection of the 5th heightening and would still be able to carry out an action.

And also, strawman are a really bad way of mining for info. Unless you get lucky enough to find the single Pahn Kahl (1 / 5-8 chance), you won't find out who the person is, just what they did last night in a very vague way.

With just one it's a crap shoot but you proved yourself that they can catch someone in a lie. If Aodan knows what people claim to be doing and has multiple strawmen to test those claims, they can be useful at rooting out people who are being deceptive. Edited April 12, 2014 by Awesomeness Summoned

[Wyrmhero he/him]

As a side note, if everyone gave their Breath to him would also kill off any of our Returned, since there's no way for partial Breath transferal in this game.

 

In addition, speaking as a player, I'd hate to give away all my Breaths to one person for no reason other than 'because he's definitely safe'. Why bother playing after that? My sole contribution to the game would be to give my abilities to another player, and then I just exist to give my vote to whoever Aondar decides is guilty because he's basically the only person who can discover extra information, or to be killed. As such, I will not give my Breath away on such an idea, as I like playing and actually being able to do something.

 

Don't forget, any protection we can give Aondar is one use. Mercenaries, Returned and Fifth Heightening only work once, and after that we're reliant on being able to make a Lifeless each night. Besides, all the Pahn Kahl have to do instead of attacking Aondar is start killing off drabs. Then they won't get any Breath, and people will still die, and Aondar will appear to be the only person who is Awakened.

 

So if you want to give your Breath away to him until he reaches 10th Heightening, by all means, do so. But we should only attempt to get him to 10th Heightening (maybe 13 Breaths so he can awaken a Strawman), and no further.

Edited April 12, 2014 by Wyrmhero

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

I agree with WyrmHero, even though I'm still drab. I didn't win the Lottery.

 

@Clan Now that Bart gave his Breath to Aodan, Is he allowed to Retract that later to vote? Or is he locked in for the day?

[Wyrmhero he/him]

Well, getting back to the game itself, does anyone have any information they've discovered overnight that could help us pick someone to grill for information?

 

EDIT: Aonar, who has not told you of their abilities yet? That seems like a good place to start.

Edited April 12, 2014 by Wyrmhero

[Aonar he/him]

I'm going to wait a little on that one, seeing how I never explicitly asked for everyone to reveal their roles. I'm going to do so now. All the Hallandrens who haven't contacted me, please do. Especially if you're in possession of Lifeless Commands as your alignment will be very easy to verify.

[Edgedancer he/him]

I just wanted to inform everyone that my computer kinda died, so for a while I´m going to limit myself on game talk and exclude RP. (Writing like this is honestly a pain.)

I also can´t say that I´m a fan of the super Aonar plan.

[dyring]

"strawmen breath is safe still, no matter what happends, and many strawmen better. Aoden given all would be able to do but little every day, and once mercenaries start dying, his breath could not be split out again. It be putting all out eggs in the same hat."

[Gamma Fiend he/him]

Yeah, I don't know about the 'uber Aodan' plan. All it takes is one slip up for the PK to get him and get or waste all of that breath. The less power in consolidated, the better. We do not want to just hand the PK their targets, let's make them work for it.
I'm honestly almost ready to vote Bart. His tactics have just been seeming extremely dangerous, to me, and if he's not Pahn Kahl, then I believe his suggestions are at least helping them out.

[Awesomeness Summoned he/him]

No exactly sure how you expect there to be a "slip up". If he had the 5th heightening he's protected for at least one night unless he "accidentally" sent in night orders. Once that defense is used up, a mercenary protects him and pm's Aonar each night to confirm night orders to protect him have been sent in. Once that defense is gone, he then has a Returned that can save him. If the PK were dead set on taking him out, that would be at least three nights of kills wasted, all of which Aonar can be verifying people's trustworthiness and gathering information.

 

Again, I totally agree it is more productive using breaths for strawmen if you can but it's also really dangerous just having two breaths laying around and it would be a good idea to have Aonar with his own breath protection from the 5th heightening.

Edited April 12, 2014 by Awesomeness Summoned

[Herowannabe he/him]

the biggest flaw in this plan is what if the PK get enough breath to make an awakened sword anyway? They're likely very close, especially after taking Vron's Breath last night. They would only need to use it once to cripple our plans. No mercenaries, Breath, or lifeless guards will save Aodan from that, and there is no guarantee that any Returned will be willing to sacrifice their own life to save Aodan.

[the Gleeman he/him]

IIagreeAwithMHerowannabe.TWeHjustEdon'tNknow...ObutRit'sMworthAaLgambit.GUY

[bartbug he/him]

Alright, I can see that you guys really don't like the idea of giving your Breath to Aonar. That's fine: I would need full support from literally everyone for it to be worth it.

 

So here's another go, a revised version of the same concept: If you are clearly going to be voted to death, make sure to give your Breath to Aonar before you go. This way, Aonar will continue to get Breaths, hopefully up to the 5th Heightening, and most of you get to keep your Breaths.

EDIT: @Gamma: I can see if you don't necessarily agree with my tactics, but how do they help the Pahn Kahl?

Edited April 13, 2014 by bartbug

[Claincy he/him]

EDIT: Also, if we get him to the 10th Heightening, then any Pahn Kahl who gets his breath will be revealed as a Pahn Kahl. I don't see why we shouldn't do this; the advantages outweigh any of the disadvantages by a serious amount.

This is essentially why they have a choice in whether they want to try to take the breath or not.

 

Regarding giving breath during the day. To be clear, it just takes up your day vote and the transfer will happen just before the lynching at the end of the day.

 

Things are starting to get very interesting =)

[Gamma Fiend he/him]

@Bart
Some of your ideas might not be so bad, but you're posting these huge strategies publicly for people to follow. So if whoever you're recommending to follow your advice does listen to you, the Pahn Kahl already know exactly what they're going to do. That defeats the purpose of trying to trick the PK and come out ahead.

That's why I say your plans are only benefiting the PK right now. Now, you may have some more subtle arrangements planned in secret, expecting the Pahn Kahl to act off of what you've presented publicly, but that has a small chance of actually working, I think.

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

I think we should vote today, we need to keep trying to kill Pahn Kahl. But I don't have many Suspicions at this point. I think we really should aim for Hallandrens more than Idrians, simply so we don't accidently kill the Spy or Merc (Though Aodan should defend them if he knows who they are) But on the Hallandren side, Only Gamma and Bart are even Kind of Suspicious. So I Think we should Vote, But since I have no Suspicions, I'm going to start off by voting for an Inactive: Quiver (Ver) You haven't posted at all.

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Edited April 13, 2014 by The Only Joe

[Metacognition he/him]

Feeling drained, Cog finally closed his latest requisition; a book on Pahn Kahl history. While the text itself was heavily biased by the Hallendren author, it still hinted at their motives and helped him gain a wider understanding about what was going on. He had worked through the night and while he still didn't have anything concrete to go off of, he felt he had a better grasp of their horrible situation. 

 

As his stomach growled, he realized that not only had he missed dinner, but breakfast as well. It was past time for him to venture out and find something to eat. When Cog opened the door to his workshop, he found a small gathering of children lounging about outside. 

 

Of course, he thought. We're not the only ones affected by these murders. The children must be as frightened as the rest of us. 

 

They perked up upon seeing him and the anticipation in their eyes lifted his spirits some. Ah, the indomitably of the youthful spirit. 

 

He winked at them and then closed the door. When he reappeared, he had an armful of gadgets that he had designed and he started handing them out. He smiled as the children took the toys and ran off laughing. 

 

His smile soon faded when he sat down to dine at the Red Salmon. He could hear Jeo talking to a few other patrons about his distrust of "those Hallendrens."

 

So we're still at each other's throats. Cog shook his head. While he hadn't stood up and shouted it from the mountain tops, he had made it clear within his circles that the Pahn Kahl must be behind this. He would have to redouble his efforts. 

 

The same thing applies to the Hallendrens too, Joe. By targeting them, we stand the chance of losing our strawmen, the roleblockers, the Commands, and all of the powers that come with the Heightenings. All that does is make it so that there is less breath in the game and right now, that would be detrimental to us as the PK would have a head start on getting breath while most of us would be trying for the lottery to catch up. To me, that seems like a pretty PK thing to say. 

[Edgedancer he/him]

Yay chance to get some RP in, bless other people.

Ben carfully crawled out of his room in the morning. After the others reported to him about another murder in the night, he played with the thought of retreating into his room and building a pillow fortress that the other priests could awaken for him but at the moment dismissed the idea as to silly.

Looking at the titel we need eiter a Bondsmith or Willshaper today.

Shortly afterwards the group made way for the meeting Jeo asked for. While leaving Drei behind so he could prepare for the funeral of Swimim, even if the times were dangerous as a Hallendren he deserved a proper goodbye. When he found him they overheard Jeo arguing for lynching Hallendrens. So his talk about not carring about sides was all a lie!

In the end Ben did start building himself the fortress.

I have to agree with Meta that killing Hallendrens also holds risks, however that might simply be his iridian-bias. So my vote isn´t cast in stone at this point.

[Wyrmhero he/him]

Another night, another death. Every night, Wyrm went to an uneasy sleep hoping that there would not be another death the next night. And each time, he was disappointed. By the time he had come down from his room, book in hand, accusations were already being thrown around.

 

So far, it was just for Jeo and Ver, but in his opinion Thomas was once again acting a bit suspicious, whispering things to people. Cog seemed to have calmed down, for the moment, though he was currently leading a charge at Jeo. Bart was still behaving oddly, but would a Pahn Kahl give his precious Breath away in order to throw off suspicion? Maybe. But then, so would someone who believed what they were doing was correct. It was hardly proof.

 

Not that they had much proof to go on anyway. All Wyrm had at least were people's actions. He was never good at reading people; his job never put him in contact with them much, and even before he became a scientist and scholar, he wasn't good at talking to them.

 

"I still don't think we've heard anything from Chide since this mess started, have we?"

 

If anyone is the spy, then shouldn't Aonar be able to save them by telling the Idrians at least not to vote for him? Then the rest of us can follow suit as well. So we should be safe voting for Idrians with roles. In fact, safer than we would be of voting for Hallandrens.

[nard1993]

The streets were icy today, not the frozen water kind of icy, the icy that comes from Idrians hand Hallendrens watching each other from doorways, the whispering and the glares when each thought the other wasn't watching.

Dainard walked strolled towards the green potato in in what he hoped seemed like a casual manner, but he just wasn't able to stop himself from glancing over his shoulder every time he heard a noise. He had suspected things might get worse before they got better but this was rapidly devolving into something much worse than he suspected.

With relief he arrived at the stables where he made sure he was able to work and keep an eye on the doorway at all times.

 

 

If anyone is the spy, then shouldn't Aonar be able to save them by telling the Idrians at least not to vote for him? Then the rest of us can follow suit as well. So we should be safe voting for Idrians with roles. In fact, safer than we would be of voting for Hallandrens.

I agree to the extent that it is definitely not safer to vote for Hallendrens, I think that choosing one side will escalate things and then the Pahn Kahl will be able to sit back and watch us do their work for them. We should target those who we have reason to believe are Pahn Kahl, regardless of whether they are pretending to be Hallendren or Idrian. 

[Aspren]

When Cog opened the door to his workshop, he found a small gathering of children lounging about outside. 

 

Of course, he thought. We're not the only ones affected by these murders. The children must be as frightened as the rest of us. 

 

They perked up upon seeing him and the anticipation in their eyes lifted his spirits some. Ah, the indomitably of the youthful spirit. 

 

He winked at them and then closed the door. When he reappeared, he had an armful of gadgets that he had designed and he started handing them out. He smiled as the children took the toys and ran off laughing.

 

If that isn't evidence enough to show that you're not Pahn Kahl, then I don't know what is. I mean, the children like you. There's no way you could be Pahn Kahl. Let me give this a try.

 

Asgren had gotten himself lost again. It certainly didn't help that this Hallandren town had such colourful signage. Which proved to be a challenging to read since Asgren was quite colourblind. Colours, it gave him a headache.

 

He turned down into the next alleyway, or was it a road? He constantly got those two mixed up. The alleyway was dim, and littered with rubbish, as was typical of Hallandren towns. For all the proclaimed "beauty", the real Hallandren was just out of plain sight. 

 

Something scuffled in the darkness and nudged his leg. Looking down he saw what appeared to be a puppy. A scruffy one at that. While it seemed that there had been more than enough food for it to eat in the alleyway, most of it had spoiled in the dank and heat. After all, the people of Hallandren were known for their excesses, the wastage food being one of them. Asgren knelt down to inspect the creature. It had a festering wound near the base of its back leg, which was evidently the cause of its limp. Asgren wasn't too knowledgeable of that sort of thing, but he knew enough to be certain that if that dog stayed in those conditions, with the wound that it had, it wouldn't live to see the next week. He took the puppy in his arms and set out to find a surgeon. 

Edited April 13, 2014 by Aspren

[Wyrmhero he/him]

Just pointing out guys, we have less than a day left. We need to get discussion started, especially since it's the weekend and more people should theoretically be about.

[Nepene he/him]

Aonar likely has contacts with a number of spies- maybe he could ask them to see if they have any suspects and reveal those suspects?

[nard1993]

I agree that asking Aonar seems like a rather good idea. I haven't really noticed anyone else acting suspicious (well more so than anyone else in this game ) 

[Awesomeness Summoned he/him]

The problem with Aonar throwing out names is that people are likely to bandwagon behind him since he currently has the most information and and can't be PK. If he has really strong suspicions someone is bad that is a good thing. If he only has some hints and not any strong evidence yet, accusing someone might end up being counterproductive because people will be reluctant to contradict him and debate

Edit: at this point I don't have any strong suspicions either but it does bother me that Jeo is still trying to find a way to accuse one faction more than the other. It's not an official vote at this point just who I'm leaning towards at the moment.

Edited April 13, 2014 by Awesomeness Summoned